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Post by TheFootballNerd on Jun 19, 2019 13:33:16 GMT -6
So I coach down here in Texas at a VERY small private school. We have won 2 state Titles 2013, 2014. Those were the good old days... but basketball has just ran over our school. Don’t get me wrong our school is great at basketball. But we have slowly declined the last couple years. Including a 1-9 season this year. And the first time not making the playoffs in 7 years. I can almost guarantee we would’ve be contenders for State if at least 5 of our top Basketball boys came out and played with us. But their “afraid to get hurt” and ruin their chances at a college basketball scholarship.
And now all I’m hearing around the school is that the reason kids don’t wanna play now is cause “no one wants to play for a losing team”... which just pisses me off. Cause if more people would play we wouldn’t have this problem!!
And just clear up some confusion. We’re a 6 man team. (Texas plays either 11 man or 6 man). And as you small school coaches know. NUMBERS MATTER.
I guess my whole point of this rant is to ask this question. How on earth do y’all get more kids to come out and play football?
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2019 14:21:33 GMT -6
Do they legitimately have a chance to get basketball scholarships?
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Post by TheFootballNerd on Jun 19, 2019 14:26:50 GMT -6
Do they legitimately have a chance to get basketball scholarships? Maybe 1 or 2 kids every year. But it hardly happens. They get cocky & parents get in their heads...etc.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jun 19, 2019 15:01:54 GMT -6
These are interesting times we're in. After being a dumpster fire for years our baseball program has finally had success the past two years. I'm the baseball HC and a football AC. I've got kids telling me, "I don't want to play football because it will ruin my chances for baseball." I tell them, "Son, football will make you a better all-around athlete. I can't stress enough how much I think you should play other sports besides baseball." If I were not a football coach and was the protective type none of the baseball kids would be football or basketball kids.
I talked to a football coach at a nearby private school the other day. After going undefeated this past year their players are flying out of there, getting picked up by bigger programs that give athletic scholarships. His school gives zero athletic or academic merit aid, only financial aid based on a strict equation. He said they went from 55 kids down to 3 (not including incoming freshmen). They are terminating their football program because of it.
This is a crazy time to be coaching.
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Post by fantom on Jun 19, 2019 15:05:08 GMT -6
Do they legitimately have a chance to get basketball scholarships? Maybe 1 or 2 kids every year. But it hardly happens. They get cocky & parents get in their heads...etc. In that case the answer to the question is "No".
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Post by TheFootballNerd on Jun 19, 2019 15:19:29 GMT -6
These are interesting times we're in. After being a dumpster fire for years our baseball program has finally had success the past two years. I'm the baseball HC and a football AC. I've got kids telling me, "I don't want to play football because it will ruin my chances for baseball." I tell them, "Son, football will make you a better all-around athlete. I can't stress enough how much I think you should play other sports besides baseball." If I were not a football coach and was the protective type none of the baseball kids would be football or basketball kids.
I talked to a football coach at a nearby private school the other day. After going undefeated this past year their players are flying out of there, getting picked up by bigger programs that give athletic scholarships. His school gives zero athletic or academic merit aid, only financial aid based on a strict equation. He said they went from 55 kids down to 3 (not including incoming freshmen). They are terminating their football program because of it.
This is a crazy time to be coaching.
See, at least they have you putting in a word for them. The crazy part our school is, is our Head PE Coach is the Head boys basketball coach. I don’t think I’ve heard him say once to his boys they should play football or at least suggest it. Yet we’re over here saying for go it cause it’s a great way to say conditioned in the off season
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 19, 2019 15:25:50 GMT -6
Well, you could be listening to how good all these guys are at baseball and that's why they're focusing on baseball-only when the on-the-field results have produced a 7-32 record last year and a 1-16 start this year. Baseball and softball are played in the summer in Iowa.
Overall, our numbers are up and I think the right kids are playing multiple sports. I guess my advice would be to hang in there, maybe focus on one kid to recruit for football and hope the rest follow, and/or focus on your middle school kids now to increase numbers in the future.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2019 15:29:28 GMT -6
See, at least they have you putting in a word for them. The crazy part our school is, is our Head PE Coach is the Head boys basketball coach. I don’t think I’ve heard him say once to his boys they should play football or at least suggest it. Yet we’re over here saying for go it cause it’s a great way to say conditioned in the off season
What is a "Head PE Coach"?
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2019 17:44:36 GMT -6
Maybe 1 or 2 kids every year. But it hardly happens. They get cocky & parents get in their heads...etc. In that case the answer to the question is "No". 1 or 2 out of 5 or 6 is a pretty good percentage. Far greater than them getting anything for playing 6 man football.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 19, 2019 17:51:14 GMT -6
Do they legitimately have a chance to get basketball scholarships? Maybe 1 or 2 kids every year. But it hardly happens. They get cocky & parents get in their heads...etc. I'm a little confused. You said the school is producing 1 or 2 scholarship basketball players a year. But then you said it hardly ever happens. Can you explain? If your school is producing 1 or 2 scholarship basketball players a year, that is amazing.
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Post by TheFootballNerd on Jun 19, 2019 19:17:33 GMT -6
Maybe 1 or 2 kids every year. But it hardly happens. They get cocky & parents get in their heads...etc. I'm a little confused. You said the school is producing 1 or 2 scholarship basketball players a year. But then you said it hardly ever happens. Can you explain? If your school is producing 1 or 2 scholarship basketball players a year, that is amazing. Not like it actually happens. I just meant we get that kinda talent. I don’t think we’ve gotten one D-1 player tho
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Post by TheFootballNerd on Jun 19, 2019 19:18:20 GMT -6
In that case the answer to the question is "No". 1 or 2 out of 5 or 6 is a pretty good percentage. Far greater than them getting anything for playing 6 man football. Yeah, I know that obliviously. Put of this was to ask how to get kids like that to play football
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2019 21:27:41 GMT -6
1 or 2 out of 5 or 6 is a pretty good percentage. Far greater than them getting anything for playing 6 man football. Yeah, I know that obliviously. Put of this was to ask how to get kids like that to play football I don't know that you can. You don't really have any evidence to prove them wrong. Besides, I know it's hard for football coaches to fathom, but some people just don't want to play so their coaches can win games.
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Post by CS on Jun 20, 2019 4:09:20 GMT -6
1 or 2 out of 5 or 6 is a pretty good percentage. Far greater than them getting anything for playing 6 man football. Yeah, I know that obliviously. Put of this was to ask how to get kids like that to play football My first thought when reading your posts was that you are making it about the football team being good and not about how it helps them. Figure out how your program could help them and they will play. And by “help” them in this case I mean make them better at basketball.
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Post by s73 on Jun 21, 2019 7:48:34 GMT -6
So I coach down here in Texas at a VERY small private school. We have won 2 state Titles 2013, 2014. Those were the good old days... but basketball has just ran over our school. Don’t get me wrong our school is great at basketball. But we have slowly declined the last couple years. Including a 1-9 season this year. And the first time not making the playoffs in 7 years. I can almost guarantee we would’ve be contenders for State if at least 5 of our top Basketball boys came out and played with us. But their “afraid to get hurt” and ruin their chances at a college basketball scholarship. And now all I’m hearing around the school is that the reason kids don’t wanna play now is cause “no one wants to play for a losing team”... which just pisses me off. Cause if more people would play we wouldn’t have this problem!! And just clear up some confusion. We’re a 6 man team. (Texas plays either 11 man or 6 man). And as you small school coaches know. NUMBERS MATTER. I guess my whole point of this rant is to ask this question. How on earth do y’all get more kids to come out and play football? I have said this before and I will say it again, particularly at small schools I feel it is the AD's job to intervene as it HIS job to try and ensure ALL athletic success. If I were the AD I would have a meeting w/ all coaches to ensure they are all promoting multi sport athletes and would make that part of their evaluation. Then I would hold a coach - player - parent meeting and have all coaches speak on the importance of playing other sports. I would MAKE them sell the importance of the multi sport athlete. That's all he can do. Then continue to market yourself. If your AD is not currently doing this then I would APPROACH HIM w/ the idea. If he is unwilling then maybe you need to look around or consider resigning and maybe assist somewhere else. I think we as coaches forget that this is supposed to be fun for players & US. Otherwise, what is the point? Sounds like you're not having much fun b/c you don't see any "light at the end of the tunnel". IMO it's the AD's job to make sure he gives all programs the best chance to succeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 5:52:01 GMT -6
So I coach down here in Texas at a VERY small private school. We have won 2 state Titles 2013, 2014. Those were the good old days... but basketball has just ran over our school. Don’t get me wrong our school is great at basketball. But we have slowly declined the last couple years. Including a 1-9 season this year. And the first time not making the playoffs in 7 years. I can almost guarantee we would’ve be contenders for State if at least 5 of our top Basketball boys came out and played with us. But their “afraid to get hurt” and ruin their chances at a college basketball scholarship. And now all I’m hearing around the school is that the reason kids don’t wanna play now is cause “no one wants to play for a losing team”... which just pisses me off. Cause if more people would play we wouldn’t have this problem!! And just clear up some confusion. We’re a 6 man team. (Texas plays either 11 man or 6 man). And as you small school coaches know. NUMBERS MATTER. I guess my whole point of this rant is to ask this question. How on earth do y’all get more kids to come out and play football? I have said this before and I will say it again, particularly at small schools I feel it is the AD's job to intervene as it HIS job to try and ensure ALL athletic success. If I were the AD I would have a meeting w/ all coaches to ensure they are all promoting multi sport athletes and would make that part of their evaluation. Then I would hold a coach - player - parent meeting and have all coaches speak on the importance of playing other sports. I would MAKE them sell the importance of the multi sport athlete. That's all he can do. Then continue to market yourself. If your AD is not currently doing this then I would APPROACH HIM w/ the idea. If he is unwilling then maybe you need to look around or consider resigning and maybe assist somewhere else. I think we as coaches forget that this is supposed to be fun for players & US. Otherwise, what is the point? Sounds like you're not having much fun b/c you don't see any "light at the end of the tunnel". IMO it's the AD's job to make sure he gives all programs the best chance to succeed. Backing on this BEWARE a school where the AD is also the Basketball coach ESPECIALLY is both the football and basketball teams are elite or Nationally ranked ! Speaking from experience
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Post by irishdog on Jul 4, 2019 6:47:27 GMT -6
I just left a school where this subject was just "one" of the reasons for leaving. Now working at a school with a bunch of multi-sport athletes.
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