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Post by fantom on Jun 16, 2019 11:21:52 GMT -6
When I read this article I thought about the War on Football Thread. I didn't want to hijack that thread (Although, in retrospect, I realize that that's impossible) so I'm posting it here. To me it raised interesting questions about participation in HS sports. On one hand I thought that it highlighted questions that have been raised about kids's lack of commitment and parental permissiveness. On the other hand how about the expanded HS sports schedules, with fall sports games starting before school starts, spring sports ending after school's out, and everybody practicing year round? www.sungazette.com/sports/local-sports/2019/06/chris-masse-on-high-school-softball-west-chester-east-senior-duo-let-teammates-down/
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 16, 2019 14:03:34 GMT -6
When I read this article I thought about the War on Football Thread. I didn't want to hijack that thread (Although, in retrospect, I realize that that's impossible) so I'm posting it here. To me it raised interesting questions about participation in HS sports. On one hand I thought that it highlighted questions that have been raised about kids's lack of commitment and parental permissiveness. On the other hand how about the expanded HS sports schedules, with fall sports games starting before school starts, spring sports ending after school's out, and everybody practicing year round? www.sungazette.com/sports/local-sports/2019/06/chris-masse-on-high-school-softball-west-chester-east-senior-duo-let-teammates-down/Maybe it's just Illinois, but schedules are exactly the same as they were when I graduated in 1994. Sports still start the same week and end the same week as they did 25 years ago. School schedules may be different, but not sports. Still, you see more and more kids bailing on games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 9:58:47 GMT -6
It's similar to having graduation the same weekend of graduation in Illinois. One if these days they're going to figure it out so kids can do both and not have to choose.
That said, senior week at the beach doesn't seem like a school sanctioned event and these girls were just flat out wrong.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 17, 2019 12:32:45 GMT -6
It's similar to having graduation the same weekend of graduation in Illinois. One if these days they're going to figure it out so kids can do both and not have to choose. That said, senior week at the beach doesn't seem like a school sanctioned event and these girls were just flat out wrong. Did you mean having championships/playoffs the same weekend as graduation? Trying to decipher that first sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 12:39:19 GMT -6
It's similar to having graduation the same weekend of graduation in Illinois. One if these days they're going to figure it out so kids can do both and not have to choose. That said, senior week at the beach doesn't seem like a school sanctioned event and these girls were just flat out wrong. Did you mean having championships/playoffs the same weekend as graduation? Trying to decipher that first sentence. Ya, I just typed it wrong. Every year many school districts will hold graduation the same date as the state track meet or baseball state championships. It is ridiculous to make a student-athlete choose between these two things. Easy way to combat the issue is to hold graduation on a Sunday!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 17, 2019 13:01:12 GMT -6
When I read this article I thought about the War on Football Thread. I didn't want to hijack that thread (Although, in retrospect, I realize that that's impossible) so I'm posting it here. To me it raised interesting questions about participation in HS sports. On one hand I thought that it highlighted questions that have been raised about kids's lack of commitment and parental permissiveness. On the other hand how about the expanded HS sports schedules, with fall sports games starting before school starts, spring sports ending after school's out, and everybody practicing year round? www.sungazette.com/sports/local-sports/2019/06/chris-masse-on-high-school-softball-west-chester-east-senior-duo-let-teammates-down/First thing that jumps out at me is the absolutely terrible grammar in the first sentence. Unless I have a mental block (I have read, and reread the opening line) I am shocked that kind of thing gets published. Regarding what happened, WOW. Were there other seniors who stayed behind and played? I do think the ladies in question should be ashamed of themselves, but is this a sign of the times so to speak? That playing a team sport is just another activity, and really isn't a commitment? I know lots of people gave passes to the guys in the NCAA who shut it down and skipped bowl games before the draft...is this terribly different. The reason behind skipping is selfish either way isn't it?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 17, 2019 13:07:09 GMT -6
Did you mean having championships/playoffs the same weekend as graduation? Trying to decipher that first sentence. Ya, I just typed it wrong. Every year many school districts will hold graduation the same date as the state track meet or baseball state championships. It is ridiculous to make a student-athlete choose between these two things. Easy way to combat the issue is to hold graduation on a Sunday! We had 7 or 8 seniors at a local high school do a little graduation ceremony in a hotel lobby because they were playing about 6 hours away in the quaterfinal round of baseball playoffs. That said, my school district graduates ridiculously early (first week of May)
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Post by NC1974 on Jun 17, 2019 13:23:44 GMT -6
While I don't agree with what the kids did, I'm not sure how I feel about an adult-- who makes a living in part by reporting on kids sports--ripping them in the local paper. But that's just me.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 17, 2019 14:13:34 GMT -6
While I don't agree with what the kids did, I'm not sure how I feel about an adult-- who makes a living in part by reporting on kids sports--ripping them in the local paper. But that's just me. I think he was more surprised by how much support the two kids were getting than anything else and he never mentioned the kids by name. Plus the girls were probably either already 18 or very close to it. I think he was just shocked by how many in the community apparently didn't think the kids did anything wrong. I believe that is who he was addressing. Definitely highlights the community factors we complain about here on this board. Many view participating in a sport, even a team sport, as a very casual event. Having witnessed way to many situations where a parent/grandparent have told a kid that broke rules "It's ok, you didn't do anything wrong, the rules are stupid" or telling a child who is a constant behavior problem / disruption in the class that "it's ok, they (school officials) are just picking on you" it is kind of refreshing to see someone outside of the situation shine a light on it.
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Post by NC1974 on Jun 17, 2019 18:55:46 GMT -6
I think those are all good points, and I think they should have played BUT I don't know these kids, I don't know the internal dynamics of the team, I don't know how or if these kids communicated with their teammates/coaches, I don't know how big a thing "beach week" is to 17/18 yr old girls who are ending their high school careers, I don't know if beach week requires some sort of sizable down payment or deposit. Because I don't know all of these things, I would never publicly rip them. And no, he didn't use their names, but everyone in that community is going to know who the article is about. Where do we draw the line? Can a kid miss a game for a family member's wedding? Funeral? Now I know a wedding and funeral seem much more important than beach week, but I don't know if that's true for these girls.
And again, just to be clear, I would have counseled these girls to find a way to play the game, but I also get tired of seeing the other side of theses things where we seem to treat youth sports as life or death situations at times. Not sure that's good either.
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Post by NC1974 on Jun 17, 2019 19:04:16 GMT -6
One more thing: this reminds me of a story that happened near me a few years ago. A senior high school girl, ended up playing in some key tennis match on the same day as her senior prom or Homecoming (can't remember). At any rate, she tanked the match to ensure she would not miss any of the dance activities. Her coach was understandably livid, but the girl straight up told him that the dance was much more a priority than tennis in her mind. I have trouble understanding that concept, but I do understand that kids have to prioritize things, and their priorities don't always line up with ours.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 17, 2019 19:15:10 GMT -6
I think those are all good points, and I think they should have played BUT I don't know these kids, I don't know the internal dynamics of the team, I don't know how or if these kids communicated with their teammates/coaches, I don't know how big a thing "beach week" is to 17/18 yr old girls who are ending their high school careers, I don't know if beach week requires some sort of sizable down payment or deposit. Because I don't know all of these things, I would never publicly rip them. And no, he didn't use their names, but everyone in that community is going to know who the article is about. Where do we draw the line? Can a kid miss a game for a family member's wedding? Funeral? Now I know a wedding and funeral seem much more important than beach week, but I don't know if that's true for these girls. And again, just to be clear, I would have counseled these girls to find a way to play the game, but I also get tired of seeing the other side of theses things where we seem to treat youth sports as life or death situations at times. Not sure that's good either. I didn't get the vibe that he was directly ripping them. Maybe it is semantics, but I got more of a him explaining the situation, and then ripping the people who were defending the girls actions. However, your last few lines really highlight his (and many others I am sure) issue. The idea of priorities when it comes to conflicting events and how that relates to a TEAM sport environment. It is always going to be a subjective decision, but when you say "I don't know if that's true for these girls" regarding comparing a wedding or funeral to a beach week (which, from what I have read, is essentially like a spring break for the graduating seniors, with lots of under age drinking and other associated foolishness) --well then are all bets off? Ultimately, I think the article was more about THAT then the particular actions of the two girls. It was about members of the community (even if they were the minority) apparently believing that there isn't a commitment involved in TEAM sports. It is just an activity along the lines of a book club, where you can drop in or skip at your whim. EDIT..in light of your follow up post, I highlighted the difference between tanking an individual tennis match (although she should have just forfeited) and what is being discussed here. If the girls had skipped a regional or state track meet where they were individual competitors (I don't really give much credence to the "team" aspect of track at levels past district where each team has a full compliment of athletes competing) then the idea of personal priority taking preference is valid. This is not the case.
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Post by fantom on Jun 17, 2019 21:44:34 GMT -6
I think those are all good points, and I think they should have played BUT I don't know these kids, I don't know the internal dynamics of the team, I don't know how or if these kids communicated with their teammates/coaches, I don't know how big a thing "beach week" is to 17/18 yr old girls who are ending their high school careers, I don't know if beach week requires some sort of sizable down payment or deposit. Because I don't know all of these things, I would never publicly rip them. And no, he didn't use their names, but everyone in that community is going to know who the article is about. Where do we draw the line? Can a kid miss a game for a family member's wedding? Funeral? Now I know a wedding and funeral seem much more important than beach week, but I don't know if that's true for these girls. And again, just to be clear, I would have counseled these girls to find a way to play the game, but I also get tired of seeing the other side of theses things where we seem to treat youth sports as life or death situations at times. Not sure that's good either. I can't see any way to defend those girls. They committed to a team then bailed. The whole "Beach Week" thing is strange to me. I can't imagine my parents letting me go off with a group of other teenagers like that. As far as going to the beach, West Chester is two hours away from the Jersey shore. It's not like they were going from North Dakota.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 18, 2019 5:18:32 GMT -6
When I read this article I thought about the War on Football Thread. I didn't want to hijack that thread (Although, in retrospect, I realize that that's impossible) so I'm posting it here. To me it raised interesting questions about participation in HS sports. On one hand I thought that it highlighted questions that have been raised about kids's lack of commitment and parental permissiveness. On the other hand how about the expanded HS sports schedules, with fall sports games starting before school starts, spring sports ending after school's out, and everybody practicing year round? www.sungazette.com/sports/local-sports/2019/06/chris-masse-on-high-school-softball-west-chester-east-senior-duo-let-teammates-down/First thing that jumps out at me is the absolutely terrible grammar in the first sentence. Unless I have a mental block (I have read, and reread the opening line) I am shocked that kind of thing gets published. Regarding what happened, WOW. Were there other seniors who stayed behind and played? I do think the ladies in question should be ashamed of themselves, but is this a sign of the times so to speak? That playing a team sport is just another activity, and really isn't a commitment? I know lots of people gave passes to the guys in the NCAA who shut it down and skipped bowl games before the draft...is this terribly different. The reason behind skipping is selfish either way isn't it? While both situations are similar in that the athletes are motivated by selfishness, the elite college football players get a pass from me because an injury in a game after they have already established themselves as a top NFL prospect can cost them millions of dollars. But these girls...it is a crazy! I am thinking there has to be more to the story. My kid plays baseball. He's, how shall I put this...not good. But, he's a pretty good wrestler. Anyway, in May, he did a big wrestling tournament in Virginia Beach. Many of the top high school wrestlers in the country were at this tournament. Had our baseball team advanced to the sectional tournament, we would have had a tough decision to make. Would we have let him stay home so he could sit on the bench and be a cheerleader for guys who play or would we tell the coach that he wouldn't be around because he he was going to the wrestling tournament? Fortunately, we didn't have to make that decision because the baseball team ultimately did not advance but it was certainly something we had several long conversations about here at home.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 18, 2019 5:29:02 GMT -6
While I don't agree with what the kids did, I'm not sure how I feel about an adult-- who makes a living in part by reporting on kids sports--ripping them in the local paper. But that's just me. Yeah. Agreed. That writer was WAY too invested! 🤣
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2019 7:15:02 GMT -6
First thing that jumps out at me is the absolutely terrible grammar in the first sentence. Unless I have a mental block (I have read, and reread the opening line) I am shocked that kind of thing gets published. Regarding what happened, WOW. Were there other seniors who stayed behind and played? I do think the ladies in question should be ashamed of themselves, but is this a sign of the times so to speak? That playing a team sport is just another activity, and really isn't a commitment? I know lots of people gave passes to the guys in the NCAA who shut it down and skipped bowl games before the draft...is this terribly different. The reason behind skipping is selfish either way isn't it? While both situations are similar in that the athletes are motivated by selfishness, the elite college football players get a pass from me because an injury in a game after they have already established themselves as a top NFL prospect can cost them millions of dollars. Here is my issue with that line of thinking--we are now placing a value judgement on the priorities as NC1974 mentioned. Maybe those girls will meet people at beach week and that networking will lead to a much greater income than they could have gotten previously? Maybe it would lead to a lifelong romance more rewarding than an NFL salary. Also, haven't those same players already established themselves before hand? Did Quinnen Williams or Clelin Ferrel need to play in the championship game to be picked 3rd/4th respectively? I don't think so. Did Devon White at LSU, even though some of his teammates chose to sit out (and incidentally fell into the mid second round) ? I don't give those guys a pass at all. I understand their choice more, but still would say they displayed the same degree of selfishness as the girls here in question. I say that knowing I might also make the same selfish decision, and I would be just as wrong. But make no mistake it is still a selfish one. Regarding your son, I think that is a bit different because he was not going to play. I am assuming the wrestling tournament was not a school based event (otherwise there would be no issue in my eyes). I think in that case I would have approached the coach and asked permission and if the coach said no, then I think the coach would be a bit of a dbag in doing so based on what you have said.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2019 7:50:06 GMT -6
While both situations are similar in that the athletes are motivated by selfishness, the elite college football players get a pass from me because an injury in a game after they have already established themselves as a top NFL prospect can cost them millions of dollars. Here is my issue with that line of thinking--we are now placing a value judgement on the priorities as NC1974 mentioned. Maybe those girls will meet people at beach week and that networking will lead to a much greater income than they could have gotten previously? Maybe it would lead to a lifelong romance more rewarding than an NFL salary. It's more likely that they'll meet a man who'll have them touch their nose and say the alphabet backward.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 18, 2019 8:16:14 GMT -6
While both situations are similar in that the athletes are motivated by selfishness, the elite college football players get a pass from me because an injury in a game after they have already established themselves as a top NFL prospect can cost them millions of dollars. Here is my issue with that line of thinking--we are now placing a value judgement on the priorities as NC1974 mentioned. Maybe those girls will meet people at beach week and that networking will lead to a much greater income than they could have gotten previously? Maybe it would lead to a lifelong romance more rewarding than an NFL salary. Also, haven't those same players already established themselves before hand? Did Quinnen Williams or Clelin Ferrel need to play in the championship game to be picked 3rd/4th respectively? I don't think so. Did Devon White at LSU, even though some of his teammates chose to sit out (and incidentally fell into the mid second round) ? I don't give those guys a pass at all. I understand their choice more, but still would say they displayed the same degree of selfishness as the girls here in question. I say that knowing I might also make the same selfish decision, and I would be just as wrong. But make no mistake it is still a selfish one. Regarding your son, I think that is a bit different because he was not going to play. I am assuming the wrestling tournament was not a school based event (otherwise there would be no issue in my eyes). I think in that case I would have approached the coach and asked permission and if the coach said no, then I think the coach would be a bit of a dbag in doing so based on what you have said. Eh...I think that is a pretty big stretch to suggest the girls are going to beach week to meet a future husband or find a job. Again....regarding the college guys, I'm not going to fault them for deciding to not play because they are protecting their future earning potential. With these girls, I think it was the wrong choice. But really, what can be done? I don't think that there is any way to prevent something like this from happening. Another way to look at it...the team lost in the championship game but the biggest reason they were even in the game was probably because of these two girls. So, it's a shame the girls didn't play that final game (it's actually inconcievable to me that they wouldn't want to play after the season they had but I digress) but maybe the other girls on the team should be thankful they got as far as they did.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2019 8:38:02 GMT -6
Here is my issue with that line of thinking--we are now placing a value judgement on the priorities as NC1974 mentioned. Maybe those girls will meet people at beach week and that networking will lead to a much greater income than they could have gotten previously? Maybe it would lead to a lifelong romance more rewarding than an NFL salary. Also, haven't those same players already established themselves before hand? Did Quinnen Williams or Clelin Ferrel need to play in the championship game to be picked 3rd/4th respectively? I don't think so. Did Devon White at LSU, even though some of his teammates chose to sit out (and incidentally fell into the mid second round) ? I don't give those guys a pass at all. I understand their choice more, but still would say they displayed the same degree of selfishness as the girls here in question. I say that knowing I might also make the same selfish decision, and I would be just as wrong. But make no mistake it is still a selfish one. Regarding your son, I think that is a bit different because he was not going to play. I am assuming the wrestling tournament was not a school based event (otherwise there would be no issue in my eyes). I think in that case I would have approached the coach and asked permission and if the coach said no, then I think the coach would be a bit of a dbag in doing so based on what you have said. Eh...I think that is a pretty big stretch to suggest the girls are going to beach week to meet a future husband or find a job. Again....regarding the college guys, I'm not going to fault them for deciding to not play because they are protecting their future earning potential. With these girls, I think it was the wrong choice. But really, what can be done? I don't think that there is any way to prevent something like this from happening. Another way to look at it...the team lost in the championship game but the biggest reason they were even in the game was probably because of these two girls. So, it's a shame the girls didn't play that final game (it's actually inconcievable to me that they wouldn't want to play after the season they had but I digress) but maybe the other girls on the team should be thankful they got as far as they did. I really don't see a comparison between these girls and the college guys until one sits out a playoff game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2019 9:19:21 GMT -6
Here is my issue with that line of thinking--we are now placing a value judgement on the priorities as NC1974 mentioned. Maybe those girls will meet people at beach week and that networking will lead to a much greater income than they could have gotten previously? Maybe it would lead to a lifelong romance more rewarding than an NFL salary. Also, haven't those same players already established themselves before hand? Did Quinnen Williams or Clelin Ferrel need to play in the championship game to be picked 3rd/4th respectively? I don't think so. Did Devon White at LSU, even though some of his teammates chose to sit out (and incidentally fell into the mid second round) ? I don't give those guys a pass at all. I understand their choice more, but still would say they displayed the same degree of selfishness as the girls here in question. I say that knowing I might also make the same selfish decision, and I would be just as wrong. But make no mistake it is still a selfish one. Regarding your son, I think that is a bit different because he was not going to play. I am assuming the wrestling tournament was not a school based event (otherwise there would be no issue in my eyes). I think in that case I would have approached the coach and asked permission and if the coach said no, then I think the coach would be a bit of a dbag in doing so based on what you have said. Eh...I think that is a pretty big stretch to suggest the girls are going to beach week to meet a future husband or find a job. Again....regarding the college guys, I'm not going to fault them for deciding to not play because they are protecting their future earning potential. With these girls, I think it was the wrong choice. But really, what can be done? I don't think that there is any way to prevent something like this from happening. Another way to look at it...the team lost in the championship game but the biggest reason they were even in the game was probably because of these two girls. So, it's a shame the girls didn't play that final game (it's actually inconcievable to me that they wouldn't want to play after the season they had but I digress) but maybe the other girls on the team should be thankful they got as far as they did. We will just have to disagree a bit. As I said, I absolutely fault them, but I do so realizing that I might make the same selfish decision if I were in there shoes. That doesn't make it right or any less selfish, nor would it make anyone calling me out on it wrong. Is cheating on your wife with Sofia Vegara, or Gal Gadot or Beyonce different than cheating on your wife with a honky tonk waitress with bad acne who is missing a tooth?
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2019 9:24:15 GMT -6
Eh...I think that is a pretty big stretch to suggest the girls are going to beach week to meet a future husband or find a job. Again....regarding the college guys, I'm not going to fault them for deciding to not play because they are protecting their future earning potential. With these girls, I think it was the wrong choice. But really, what can be done? I don't think that there is any way to prevent something like this from happening. Another way to look at it...the team lost in the championship game but the biggest reason they were even in the game was probably because of these two girls. So, it's a shame the girls didn't play that final game (it's actually inconcievable to me that they wouldn't want to play after the season they had but I digress) but maybe the other girls on the team should be thankful they got as far as they did. We will just have to disagree a bit. As I said, I absolutely fault them, but I do so realizing that I might make the same selfish decision if I were in there shoes. That doesn't make it right or any less selfish, nor would it make anyone calling me out on it wrong. Is cheating on your wife with Sofia Vegara, or Gal Gadot or Beyonce different than cheating on your wife with a honky tonk waitress with bad acne who is missing a tooth? Is Gal Gadot dressed up as Wonder Woman?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2019 9:26:35 GMT -6
We will just have to disagree a bit. As I said, I absolutely fault them, but I do so realizing that I might make the same selfish decision if I were in there shoes. That doesn't make it right or any less selfish, nor would it make anyone calling me out on it wrong. Is cheating on your wife with Sofia Vegara, or Gal Gadot or Beyonce different than cheating on your wife with a honky tonk waitress with bad acne who is missing a tooth? Is Gal Gadot dressed up as Wonder Woman? Yes, but in the Lynda Carter 1970s costume. But obviously the point stands.
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Post by blb on Jun 18, 2019 12:07:36 GMT -6
One year one of our captains missed a game because he was best man in his brother's wedding (rehearsal and dinner were Friday night).
Another time we had a game postponed until Saturday due to weather.
One of our starting OL-DL and his family had tickets to the Michigan game on Saturday. He chose to go to Ann Arbor rather than play.
We weren't happy about either situation, but what are you going to do? What should you do?
Especially in the second instance. We only had 22 players and seven linemen. Not like we could afford to kick him off the team for the rest of the season.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 18, 2019 13:07:52 GMT -6
Eh...I think that is a pretty big stretch to suggest the girls are going to beach week to meet a future husband or find a job. Again....regarding the college guys, I'm not going to fault them for deciding to not play because they are protecting their future earning potential. With these girls, I think it was the wrong choice. But really, what can be done? I don't think that there is any way to prevent something like this from happening. Another way to look at it...the team lost in the championship game but the biggest reason they were even in the game was probably because of these two girls. So, it's a shame the girls didn't play that final game (it's actually inconcievable to me that they wouldn't want to play after the season they had but I digress) but maybe the other girls on the team should be thankful they got as far as they did. We will just have to disagree a bit. As I said, I absolutely fault them, but I do so realizing that I might make the same selfish decision if I were in there shoes. That doesn't make it right or any less selfish, nor would it make anyone calling me out on it wrong. Is cheating on your wife with Sofia Vegara, or Gal Gadot or Beyonce different than cheating on your wife with a honky tonk waitress with bad acne who is missing a tooth? Both the softball players and the college football players are acting out of selfishness. There is no question about that.
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Post by fantom on Jun 19, 2019 11:37:26 GMT -6
I asked about this before but it was years ago: What about a player skipping a regular season game to go to a baseball showcase?
a few facts: 1. This showcase wasn't some fly by night money grab. It was a wooden bat event that was attended by scouts from every MLB organization.
2. The player was a legit prospect. He was committed to an ACC school where he went on to play on a College World Series champ. He's in AAA ball now.
3. The FB coach knew about it months ahead of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 11:56:17 GMT -6
I dont know about the teams out in the western part of PA ,but in this part of PA the HS's got out last week, if youre playing ball past the end of the school year, then I think you roll the dice with kids being there in this day and age.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2019 12:16:08 GMT -6
I asked about this before but it was years ago: What about a player skipping a regular season game to go to a baseball showcase? a few facts: 1. This showcase wasn't some fly by night money grab. It was a wooden bat event that was attended by scouts from every MLB organization. 2. The player was a legit prospect. He was committed to an ACC school where he went on to play on a College World Series champ. He's in AAA ball now. 3. The FB coach knew about it months ahead of time.
First, I don't know what the answer is.
When I was a HC I told our kids football should be no lower than fourth on their priorities In-Season (after Faith, Family, and school).
Once had an outstanding three-sport athlete who was an all-conference WR, DB, and Kicker-Punter (yes, all-league in all three!) for us his senior year.
He had opportunity to play in the American Legion World Series with his "travel team" that would've caused him to miss start of football that season.
He chose to be at football instead.
Still got a baseball schollie at a D-I school and played three years in Yankee organization.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2019 12:18:44 GMT -6
Erik Bakich, the baseball coach at University of Michigan, was recently named National Coach of the Year.
His Wolverines are one win away from being in College World Series finals.
He has had some interesting things to say about "travel" and "elite" summer baseball teams, and their recruiting.
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Post by fantom on Jun 19, 2019 12:25:06 GMT -6
Erik Bakich, the baseball coach at University of Michigan, was recently named National Coach of the Year. His Wolverines are one win away from being in College World Series finals. He has had some interesting things to say about "travel" and "elite" summer baseball teams, and their recruiting. I want to make it clear that the player that I mentioned didn't go to a travel tournament. It was more like a combine legitimately run by MLB scouts.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2019 12:37:31 GMT -6
Understood.
Which is why I said I don't know what the answer is.
I could give my opinion as a HS football coach, but...
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