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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2019 6:34:34 GMT -6
We start spring today. One of our varsity coaches came to our HC this morning and resigned from coaching. He just finished up a new degree and will be teaching dual credit classes next year and he said that he and his girlfriend talked and he just has too much on his plate to keep coaching.
First don't ever use your mom or your girlfriend as an explanation of the decision to resign. They may have played a part in making the decision but just own it.
Second, When do you guys feel like the most appropriate time is to resign from a position?
I like this guy and he is a good coach. I understand his reasons and respect them. BUT resigning the day we start spring doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 6:39:24 GMT -6
Honestly, there's never a good time. It's best to avoid leaving people in the lurch, but the sooner you resign after making the decision, the better so the people you're leaving have more time to fill your spot. It's better that he resign now at the start of spring football than in the summer or early in the season because it's too much.
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Post by carookie on May 6, 2019 6:43:50 GMT -6
Dec-march
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Post by tabs52 on May 6, 2019 7:11:17 GMT -6
We start spring today. One of our varsity coaches came to our HC this morning and resigned from coaching. He just finished up a new degree and will be teaching dual credit classes next year and he said that he and his girlfriend talked and he just has too much on his plate to keep coaching. First don't ever use your mom or your girlfriend as an explanation of the decision to resign. They may have played a part in making the decision but just own it. Second, When do you guys feel like the most appropriate time is to resign from a position? I like this guy and he is a good coach. I understand his reasons and respect them. BUT resigning the day we start spring doesn't seem right to me. Disagree with the concept of using wife/mother/gf as an excuse. I often discuss items with my wife in terms of time, etc... and if he and his gf feel that it is too much on plate than nothing wrong with that. In terms of resigning, I would agree between Jan-Mar would be best
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Post by bulldogsdc on May 6, 2019 7:40:31 GMT -6
I worked for a very Christian man that hated it when coaches would say they had been praying about it....Just come out and resign, no need for excuses.
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Post by dubber on May 6, 2019 8:52:29 GMT -6
How hot is the girlfriend?
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2019 9:39:28 GMT -6
We start spring today. One of our varsity coaches came to our HC this morning and resigned from coaching. He just finished up a new degree and will be teaching dual credit classes next year and he said that he and his girlfriend talked and he just has too much on his plate to keep coaching. First don't ever use your mom or your girlfriend as an explanation of the decision to resign. They may have played a part in making the decision but just own it. Second, When do you guys feel like the most appropriate time is to resign from a position? I like this guy and he is a good coach. I understand his reasons and respect them. BUT resigning the day we start spring doesn't seem right to me. Disagree with the concept of using wife/mother/gf as an excuse. I often discuss items with my wife in terms of time, etc... and if he and his gf feel that it is too much on plate than nothing wrong with that. In terms of resigning, I would agree between Jan-Mar would be best I have no problem with the discussing issues with your wife/gf, anyone important to your decision making. But don't lead with that to soften the blow. Just let whoever know you made a decision and you are moving on.
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Post by larrymoe on May 6, 2019 10:47:48 GMT -6
I'm the first to decry the "if she ain't happy, then nobody's happy" line of decision making, but I trust my wife a hell of a lot more to be able to tell me if I can physically handle what that guy is about to go through than a HC who is more than likely only worried about his own ass.
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Post by agap on May 6, 2019 10:48:11 GMT -6
If he just finished his degree and just found out he will be teaching those classes next year, I would say now was the appropriate time to resign. Wouldn't it be worse if he already made his decision now but waited until summer to resign?
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Post by coachcb on May 6, 2019 10:57:25 GMT -6
If he just finished his degree and just found out he will be teaching those classes next year, I would say now was the appropriate time to resign. Wouldn't it be worse if he already made his decision now but waited until summer to resign? I agree. I've been teaching for awhile now and I might rethink coaching next year if I had two dual-credit courses dropped on my lap. I taught dual credit stats and calculus one year and those classes chewed up a ton of my prep time. The college we were going through were demanding, I had a lot of material to cover and expectations were high. I would spend hours trying to get through a day's worth of homework as they wanted every single problem corrected and feedback provided. Normally, I just skim the assignments, take a look at some check point problems and call it good.
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Post by fshamrock on May 6, 2019 10:59:44 GMT -6
more so than the wife, since when do we let book learnin' get in the way of ball. That right there is why the Ruskies will undoubtedly run this country over in the next great conflict. See how much those dual credit nerds help out when Ivan is staring down your wives and daughters with his greedy gaze.
okay that's a joke but seriously it sounds like the guy just doesn't want to coach
dual credit classes are less work, not more, the kids are easy to get along with and you run it like a college class....lecture, test, paper, repeat
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2019 11:18:57 GMT -6
I did not communicate well when bringing up the girlfriend. I think she should 100% be part of the decision making process. But it almost feels like a coach is putting the blame on her when he says "my girlfriend/wife and I were talking and I decided..."
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2019 11:23:17 GMT -6
If he just finished his degree and just found out he will be teaching those classes next year, I would say now was the appropriate time to resign. Wouldn't it be worse if he already made his decision now but waited until summer to resign? He just finished degree but he knew that once it was done he would be teaching dual credit so it's not a surprise to him. Personally, I wish he would have resigned a lot earlier or that he would help out with spring. He's a good coach and would be able to help us get our kids coached up. Then he could step away and we could hire someone else this summer to continue his good work. It's not the end of the world, but we have to adjust our coaching staff and plans for the spring based on this decision. He's a good dude. I have no problem with him at all but it does affect us in a less than positive way as a staff and program.
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2019 11:25:15 GMT -6
If he just finished his degree and just found out he will be teaching those classes next year, I would say now was the appropriate time to resign. Wouldn't it be worse if he already made his decision now but waited until summer to resign? I agree. I've been teaching for awhile now and I might rethink coaching next year if I had two dual-credit courses dropped on my lap. I taught dual credit stats and calculus one year and those classes chewed up a ton of my prep time. The college we were going through were demanding, I had a lot of material to cover and expectations were high. I would spend hours trying to get through a day's worth of homework as they wanted every single problem corrected and feedback provided. Normally, I just skim the assignments, take a look at some check point problems and call it good. This is a good point. I taught AP Microeconomics for a few years and to do it well you definitely have to put in quite a bit more time than regular classes. The dual credit courses weren't dropped on him, but maybe the weight of the extra work did finally just hit him as he was getting ready to start spring.
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Post by coachcb on May 6, 2019 11:56:02 GMT -6
I agree. I've been teaching for awhile now and I might rethink coaching next year if I had two dual-credit courses dropped on my lap. I taught dual credit stats and calculus one year and those classes chewed up a ton of my prep time. The college we were going through were demanding, I had a lot of material to cover and expectations were high. I would spend hours trying to get through a day's worth of homework as they wanted every single problem corrected and feedback provided. Normally, I just skim the assignments, take a look at some check point problems and call it good. This is a good point. I taught AP Microeconomics for a few years and to do it well you definitely have to put in quite a bit more time than regular classes. The dual credit courses weren't dropped on him, but maybe the weight of the extra work did finally just hit him as he was getting ready to start spring. I didn't realize how much of a PITA those dual credit courses were going to be until the college dropped their syllabi on me. That might have happened to him. But, I will admit that I would be a little perturbed if an assistant told me that their significant other didn't want them coaching at this point in the year. That is a conversation that needed to happen awhile ago; like at the end of the last season. My ex-wife told me she was bothered by the amount of time I was missing for track one January and I told her that I would coach that season and then her and I would talk about it once the season was over. I told her that the school was going to struggle to find a throws coach before the beginning of March and that I had already committed to the season.
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Post by agap on May 6, 2019 14:44:50 GMT -6
We had an assistant coach who resigned at the beginning of August a few years ago. He coached during camp and 7-on-7 in the summer and then decided a week or two before the season that he didn't want to coach anymore.
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Post by lochness on May 6, 2019 14:54:11 GMT -6
When would a "better" time have been?
Not sure there's ever a good time. But, people can resign whenever they want for whatever reason they want. Losing assistants always sucks, but it's not like the guy had any special obligation. It's coaching, after all, not an enlistment in the US military.
And, family comes first. I totally respect if someone declares that they had a thoughtful discussion with a spouse or children about their choice, and that weighed on their decision.
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Post by Defcord on May 6, 2019 16:49:20 GMT -6
When would a "better" time have been? Not sure there's ever a good time. But, people can resign whenever they want for whatever reason they want. Losing assistants always sucks, but it's not like the guy had any special obligation. It's coaching, after all, not an enlistment in the US military. And, family comes first. I totally respect if someone declares that they had a thoughtful discussion with a spouse or children about their choice, and that weighed on their decision. There’s definitely no obligation especially with the commitment to compensation ratio. Just put us on the spot a bit.
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Post by canesfan on May 6, 2019 18:15:18 GMT -6
Had a similar situation last year with a coach. Not a great spot to be in but I’m gonna coach ball even if I have to do it myself.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2019 18:25:15 GMT -6
If he just finished his degree and just found out he will be teaching those classes next year, I would say now was the appropriate time to resign. Wouldn't it be worse if he already made his decision now but waited until summer to resign? He just finished degree but he knew that once it was done he would be teaching dual credit so it's not a surprise to him. Personally, I wish he would have resigned a lot earlier or that he would help out with spring. He's a good coach and would be able to help us get our kids coached up. Then he could step away and we could hire someone else this summer to continue his good work. It's not the end of the world, but we have to adjust our coaching staff and plans for the spring based on this decision. He's a good dude. I have no problem with him at all but it does affect us in a less than positive way as a staff and program. Based on the highlighed part, I 100% agree it was a little bush league. When I first read through, and didn't see anyone else mention it, I thought I misunderstood and that he had notified the HC today that he would not be coaching in the fall. The fact that he knew it was planned that he would be coaching TODAY and he resigned TODAY is pretty crappy and does not speak highly of him as a person.
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Post by wingtol on May 6, 2019 20:31:44 GMT -6
It's spring ball, the players will forget everything and you'll be starting from ground zero when the season starts anyways sure someone can fill in for what 10 practices or so
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Post by huddlehut on May 7, 2019 4:51:07 GMT -6
There's never a good time to resign...or to have a resignation handed to you - if everyone is on "good terms." Just have to suck it up and move forward. Part of life as a head coach or administrator. Dealing with the "grown ups" and their issues is as bad as dealing with the kids and theirs.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2019 5:55:33 GMT -6
It's spring ball, the players will forget everything and you'll be starting from ground zero when the season starts anyways sure someone can fill in for what 10 practices or so I agree that it isn't season crushing. But the fact that this occurred on the day that spring was starting, maybe 6 or so hours before practice began, doesn't speak very highly of the person who resigned. Is that person now leaving at 3:30 and running home to work on lesson plans for August? Or am I not understanding the situation? I just can fathom doing something like that to people.
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Post by coachks on May 7, 2019 6:09:26 GMT -6
Yea, not coaching for spring ball is probably BS. There could be a valid explanation (he has a ton of meetings with regard to these classes), but probably not. If you had met over winter, been discussing the season ect... and he had been a participant and knew he was part of the practice plan, that's unprofessional.
If your program puts out a calendar and everyone just rolls in for spring day 1 and decides its practice time.... that's on the HC.
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Post by newhope on May 7, 2019 7:52:27 GMT -6
We start spring today. One of our varsity coaches came to our HC this morning and resigned from coaching. He just finished up a new degree and will be teaching dual credit classes next year and he said that he and his girlfriend talked and he just has too much on his plate to keep coaching. First don't ever use your mom or your girlfriend as an explanation of the decision to resign. They may have played a part in making the decision but just own it. Second, When do you guys feel like the most appropriate time is to resign from a position? I like this guy and he is a good coach. I understand his reasons and respect them. BUT resigning the day we start spring doesn't seem right to me. Total BS move...and I've seen it happen. No, this is not a "good coach". Good coaches don't do that. Good MEN don't do that.
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Post by tabs52 on May 7, 2019 8:17:55 GMT -6
It would be a BS move if he did this a week before camp starts, not a week before spring ball starts,
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2019 17:36:37 GMT -6
It would be a BS move if he did this a week before camp starts, not a week before spring ball starts, It would be much worse I agree, but I don't think a week before spring is all that great. If it was the earliest possible notice, eh.. then maybe you could say "that just sucks". Keep in mind though, in this instance, it wasn't a week before spring. It was the first day of spring. About 6 hours or so before practice starts. Presumably a practice that had been planned, so other coaches have already planned their portions of practice. Presumably a practice (or series of practices) that won't actually be impacting the coach in questions new class load which is set for fall. I think the professional thing to do would be to have told the header "Hey, coach, after looking at my new assignment for next year in the classroom, I won't be able to help you guys out in the fall. If you need me to coach for you this spring though, I am all in giving 100% for the next ten days"
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Post by airraidallday on May 8, 2019 10:51:30 GMT -6
My WR coach walked to a district opponent 3 days before our spring practices started.
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Post by Defcord on May 8, 2019 11:20:55 GMT -6
It would be a BS move if he did this a week before camp starts, not a week before spring ball starts, It would be much worse I agree, but I don't think a week before spring is all that great. If it was the earliest possible notice, eh.. then maybe you could say "that just sucks". Keep in mind though, in this instance, it wasn't a week before spring. It was the first day of spring. About 6 hours or so before practice starts. Presumably a practice that had been planned, so other coaches have already planned their portions of practice. Presumably a practice (or series of practices) that won't actually be impacting the coach in questions new class load which is set for fall. I think the professional thing to do would be to have told the header "Hey, coach, after looking at my new assignment for next year in the classroom, I won't be able to help you guys out in the fall. If you need me to coach for you this spring though, I am all in giving 100% for the next ten days" The presumed would be accurate. The morning of first practice he stepped away. Practice plans had already been printed. Things have gone pretty smoothly without him, but again it did put us on the spot.
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Post by Defcord on May 8, 2019 11:22:31 GMT -6
We start spring today. One of our varsity coaches came to our HC this morning and resigned from coaching. He just finished up a new degree and will be teaching dual credit classes next year and he said that he and his girlfriend talked and he just has too much on his plate to keep coaching. First don't ever use your mom or your girlfriend as an explanation of the decision to resign. They may have played a part in making the decision but just own it. Second, When do you guys feel like the most appropriate time is to resign from a position? I like this guy and he is a good coach. I understand his reasons and respect them. BUT resigning the day we start spring doesn't seem right to me. Total BS move...and I've seen it happen. No, this is not a "good coach". Good coaches don't do that. Good MEN don't do that. I probably should have said "outside of this instance he is a good coach and good guy." I still like the guy but I definitely look at it as a situation that I wouldn't want to replicate.
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