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Post by planck on Apr 5, 2019 7:43:47 GMT -6
The thing about HUDL is that, when it launched roughly 10 years ago, it had no competition and nobody had seen cloud storage of video that could be used that way.
Fast forward ten years, and HUDL is still buggy, simple features still aren't implemented, and they're stripping down what you get for your money. Time for a competitor to step up and deliver a product that works right every time.
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Post by coachplaa on Apr 5, 2019 9:39:31 GMT -6
I don't have a huge problem with the price increase since the price has been the same for so long.
But I do have a problem with our loyalty being punished. I've been a member since 2008 and have all of my game film online, with a pressbox and enzone angle.
Now all of that film is going to count against my total? That just doesn't seem right.
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Post by knightfan64 on Apr 5, 2019 9:54:01 GMT -6
dang am I the only one down for the shady drug deal type trades? Especially being a small school in the middle of nowhere we play atleast two opponents a year a minimum of 2 hours away.....could you imagine all the fast food parking lots in the middle of nowhere I could cross off my list of places to travel to?
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Post by knightfan64 on Apr 5, 2019 9:57:53 GMT -6
The real thing that is going to keep HUDL in a monopoly is needing it to trade....Period. We have developed ways through google cloud, and other competitiors, I think to put film up on the web and have your kids and coaches to easy access. I think sheets and google cloud would be perfect but if you need HUDL to trade you're stuck. We looked at Krossover a few years ago, but the problem was they couldn't trade with HUDL then (maybe they can now). HUDL can then monopolize this by saying simply that their server cannot accept non HUDL trades or downloads and they can program it that way. So we are back to DVD uploads and all of the convenience of one click and your film is there is gone. You don't need a competitor you need someone to push them to the brink of losing their business and forcing them to accept cross system trades.
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Post by ccox16 on Apr 5, 2019 12:04:50 GMT -6
How many of you have talked to your rep and know about their new AD package? It's $13,000 and all programs in your school get the Gold level, unlimited assist, sideline, and their new focus camera.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 5, 2019 12:53:32 GMT -6
I guess it's the easy of having everything in one place but...do you really need 10-11 year old game film at your beckon call? Feel like people are flipping out because they won't be able to store there archives on HUDL anymore. Get a HD and download it all or load it up onto one a file sharing service or the cloud. I have boxes of old game film in my basement just sitting there, can't tell you the last time I watched it or anyone asked to watch. Even the games from 3-4 years ago on HUDL are just sitting there unwatched.
For all the other stuff you get with HUDL we still feel it's worth it. Maybe some of you don't know the pain of making a highlight video for a kid from VHS or MiniDV film then duplicating it or burning it to DVD and mailing it out, if you do then you know what a God send that feature on HUDL has been.
The price has been pretty steady for years now, an increase isn't that unacceptable especially when people want more and more to go along with their service. I'm sure there will be some action as far as the storage limits, they aren't gonna sit back and watch a mass exodus.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Apr 5, 2019 17:25:21 GMT -6
I guess it's the easy of having everything in one place but...do you really need 10-11 year old game film at your beckon call? Feel like people are flipping out because they won't be able to store there archives on HUDL anymore. Get a HD and download it all or load it up onto one a file sharing service or the cloud. I have boxes of old game film in my basement just sitting there, can't tell you the last time I watched it or anyone asked to watch. Even the games from 3-4 years ago on HUDL are just sitting there unwatched. For all the other stuff you get with HUDL we still feel it's worth it. Maybe some of you don't know the pain of making a highlight video for a kid from VHS or MiniDV film then duplicating it or burning it to DVD and mailing it out, if you do then you know what a God send that feature on HUDL has been. The price has been pretty steady for years now, an increase isn't that unacceptable especially when people want more and more to go along with their service. I'm sure there will be some action as far as the storage limits, they aren't gonna sit back and watch a mass exodus. Old film is old film but still worth having on call... not the biggest priority for sure It is more about the teaching film - clinic videos, installs, cutups, etc... Also, it is the rising prices and lowering of goodies - cost up & features down... does not make sense...
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Post by wingtol on Apr 6, 2019 14:42:16 GMT -6
I guess it's the easy of having everything in one place but...do you really need 10-11 year old game film at your beckon call? Feel like people are flipping out because they won't be able to store there archives on HUDL anymore. Get a HD and download it all or load it up onto one a file sharing service or the cloud. I have boxes of old game film in my basement just sitting there, can't tell you the last time I watched it or anyone asked to watch. Even the games from 3-4 years ago on HUDL are just sitting there unwatched. For all the other stuff you get with HUDL we still feel it's worth it. Maybe some of you don't know the pain of making a highlight video for a kid from VHS or MiniDV film then duplicating it or burning it to DVD and mailing it out, if you do then you know what a God send that feature on HUDL has been. The price has been pretty steady for years now, an increase isn't that unacceptable especially when people want more and more to go along with their service. I'm sure there will be some action as far as the storage limits, they aren't gonna sit back and watch a mass exodus. Old film is old film but still worth having on call... not the biggest priority for sure It is more about the teaching film - clinic videos, installs, cutups, etc... Also, it is the rising prices and lowering of goodies - cost up & features down... does not make sense... Looks like some of these competitors people are looking into may have unlimited storage but they don't seem to be web based and easy to access film outside of school (server based systems where anything you want to take with you needs downloaded). I think that's a huge thing people are over looking, being able to get on any computer or phone and have instant access to film. I think people are getting blinded by the storage issue and are forgetting many of the features that make Hudl still well worth it.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Apr 6, 2019 14:52:53 GMT -6
Old film is old film but still worth having on call... not the biggest priority for sure It is more about the teaching film - clinic videos, installs, cutups, etc... Also, it is the rising prices and lowering of goodies - cost up & features down... does not make sense... Looks like some of these competitors people are looking into may have unlimited storage but they don't seem to be web based and easy to access film outside of school (server based systems where anything you want to take with you needs downloaded). I think that's a huge thing people are over looking, being able to get on any computer or phone and have instant access to film. I think people are getting blinded by the storage issue and are forgetting many of the features that make Hudl still well worth it. I agree... We are in a portable society now. I love that I can be at anyone's house and log into their computer and work on Hudl - IF I WANTED TO!... The storage decrease is an issue AND they are raising the price - all at once... not good business in my opinion... Regardless of this current fiasco, we do need another option for coaches. We need the marketplace to regulate itself. One guy setting the rules is not good... We need 1 or 2 others to add stability and competition... Coaches will adapt and overcome - just another new defense (or offense since it is quite offensive) we need to scheme for is all... and as usual, we are working together to solve the problem...
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 6, 2019 19:32:35 GMT -6
Here is the thing this means we have a little more work to do as coaches.
1) We have HUDL film from 2010 ask me how many times I go back and watch that film / use it... 2) The stuff I wanted from more than a few years back I have cut up and copied over to this season
Now it will be a pain in the ass but I will basically keep whatever I want or need and download it to store in google drive. Then delete years of footage. Being self critical I don't need the film from 2010 it is nice to go back and find a nugget here and there.
What I want HUDL to be and what it is going to become are 2 different things. In my mind I want HUDL to the be could based football office. all of the film, playbooks, drill diagrams, installs, cut ups, clinic video etc all stored in one place where we can communicate with our players and coaches. What HUDL will become due to pricing is a place where we storage and trade film from this season and then delete it after .
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 6, 2019 21:27:40 GMT -6
The issues are: 1- not once ever has a monopoly been a good thing. I said this years ago when all the competition sold out to HUDL. In my opinion APEX was by far the best solution for game film break down. They were very interactive with trying to upgrade/find solutions/look to coaches for new ideas/etc... then they bailed.... just whom I was dealing with at the 'change'. 2- the other systems had better models, other than the online exchange yet we took it/had no choice 3- storage isn't the issue, you can store/archive your film easily in many different ways 4- when was the last time Hudl easily solved a unique problem? or had a novel idea/solution?
I have never had a problem with: 1- someone making money 2- someone making my life easier 3- someone providing a service that people want 4- someone finding a niche
What we all need is: 1- interactive service, not a salesman 2- unique ideas that make our jobs easier; reach out to us guys in the field 3- competitive ideas/prices/solutions; again we need to have THEM need to serve us 4- choices when we are not happy with what we have... see the very first #1
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 6, 2019 21:42:47 GMT -6
Jun 26, 2012 3:21:36 GMT -4 hudl said: There are a few comments posted here that have been left unanswered so I will attempt to provide some clarity. coachwoodall Avatar Jun 19, 2012 22:37:30 GMT -4 coachwoodall said: Now, with all the time I have spent using APEX, I know my way around that block pretty dad burn well. So with Hudl buying out APEX my chief frustatration is, 'Phuk me, now I have to learn a new system. GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAT". Learning a new editing system is never high on anyone's summer todo list, but whether you want to dive head-first into Hudl, use Hudl with your current editing system, or not use Hudl at all, we're giving you the opportunity to feel comfortable on your terms. We have free training sessions available everyday (sign up here: www.hudl.com/support/training/") and you can call (402.817.0063), tweet (https://twitter.com/#!/hudlsupport) or email (support@hudl.com) our support team with any questions or just ask for advice. coachwoodall Avatar Jun 19, 2012 22:37:30 GMT -4 coachwoodall said: Point blank. APEX was a difference maker for us last year. With all the reports and break downs and how I could measure an opponent (I do defense, so our opponent's offense) I was able to find some definite 'tells' on our opponents and what they were trying to do. I was even able to decipher 'that' coach that was hard to read. Now if Hudl can incorporate those spreads sheet/reports, then it could be a wash from that point of view. Contact our support team and they can help you get your reports configured exactly how you like them. If you find that Hudl cannot generate all of the reports then send us examples of your reports. We're doing another improvement on reports prior to the football season. If you decide to use APEX and Hudl, you'll have all of the APEX reports you're used to. Our support team can help you with them as well. coachwoodall Avatar Jun 19, 2012 22:37:30 GMT -4 coachwoodall said: Now the Voice Input. NOT even an argument. I can do more with the voice in half the time that 3 guys can do with half the data. NOT even close. I dare somebody to come on here and tell me they and point, click, and type as fast as I can talk. This feature right there was was worth double the price. Now if Hudl can find a way to put this in, then again it is a wash. I want to hammer home that you don't have to stop using APEX. If you like the voice entry, simply enter the data in APEX with your voice and then import it into Hudl (http://www.hudl.com/tutorials/importing-video-and-data-from-apex/). I can tell you that voice data entry isn't currently in development but we are working hard on ways to make data entry faster and smarter than you can type or talk. coachwoodall Avatar Jun 19, 2012 22:37:30 GMT -4 coachwoodall said: Basically what Hudl has is a monopoly. When is that a good thing? We don't have a monopoly, and even if we did, we're not going to stop innovating. We've added five new people to our development team since the APEX acquisition so we can move faster and develop more tools to help coaches. We're constantly trying to find ways to make your workflows more efficient and powerful - if we're failing at that then let us know. nickeldef Avatar Jun 21, 2012 10:41:17 GMT -4 nickeldef said: What we are now getting is no better than Youtube quality due to having to compress it so that it can be stored and viewed online. It reminds me of getting a vhs tape that has been recorded over several times. If you're seeing poor quality video, call our support team and we can diagnose the problem and help you find a solution. Mav already showed an example of what Hudl can look like if you give it HD video, so if you're seeing something that looks awful, we can work with you to make it better. I'd be happy to discuss any questions or concerns about Hudl with anyone in this thread, via email or on the phone. We want to help coaches win, and if we're not succeeding I want to know how we can do better. Matt Mueller - mm@hudl.com what is better now?
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Post by Defcord on Apr 7, 2019 4:14:16 GMT -6
The issues are: 1- not once ever has a monopoly been a good thing. I said this years ago when all the competition sold out to HUDL. In my opinion APEX was by far the best solution for game film break down. They were very interactive with trying to upgrade/find solutions/look to coaches for new ideas/etc... then they bailed.... just whom I was dealing with at the 'change'. 2- the other systems had better models, other than the online exchange yet we took it/had no choice 3- storage isn't the issue, you can store/archive your film easily in many different ways 4- when was the last time Hudl easily solved a unique problem? or had a novel idea/solution? I have never had a problem with: 1- someone making money 2- someone making my life easier 3- someone providing a service that people want 4- someone finding a niche What we all need is: 1- interactive service, not a salesman 2- unique ideas that make our jobs easier; reach out to us guys in the field 3- competitive ideas/prices/solutions; again we need to have THEM need to serve us 4- choices when we are not happy with what we have... see the very first #1 Saying not one single monopoly has ever been a good thing is not true in my estimation. Hudl being a monopoly may not be the best thing but many times monopolies form out of efficiency and it serves us as consumers well. Most of us gladly receive our electric and power our homes from local monopolies. When on a long trip and low on gas and we finally pass that single gas station on the side of the road after what seems like a hundred miles , we may be disappointed in the dirty bathroom and overpriced fuel, but we happily prefer to pay for the over priced gas instead of risking another 50 miles and walking along a creepy West Virginia state highway. Many would contend that what Microsoft provided at the height of its height of its market share was a monopoly worth associating with because what other business provide wasn’t worth a fraction of the value of MS products, they didnt necessarily eliminate competition by nefarious robber baron antics rather by being innovative and first to the market (I don’t know the full story on Microsoft so maybe Bill Gates is the Mr. Burns of Seattle and sitting behind his desk and plotting evil endeavors so this may not be my best example). Ultimately, my point is that vilifying all monopolies overstates the point. Monopoly status can and does lead to inefficiency for some and maybe most monopolies but not all monopolies are evil and have a negative aggregate impact on society. I think it will be interesting to see how Hudl is affected by its current decision making. The consumer response is strong and seems like they won’t be able to react by ignoring it or sending scripted responses to frustration driven customer concerns. I do agree their service has declined and it’s frustrating. I had an issue in the fall with stalled playback time between clips. I sent a detailed description of my issue to support that specifically said I had followed their online suggestions of restarting my computer, deleting history, changing certain web setting and using an alternative browser. The support agent’s said the first thing I needed to do was those same things. Obviously, he didn’t read my email and gave me some blanket response, which completely wasted my time and energy to get to the next step.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Apr 7, 2019 7:27:08 GMT -6
Too be fair. I think a lot of us have been abusing the packages we signed up for. We have been loading up the "Game" section with "non" game film. While I have problems with HUDL glitching up often and having to refresh, which can be frustrating, many of us have been exceeding the amount of film space we originally sign up for by finding a loop hole in the system. I might be in the minority here but I think this is a way for HUDL self correcting this loop hole we have all been taking advantage of. I think we as coaches are partially to blame.
I still find HUDL to be a great system that has revolutionized the way we coach.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 7, 2019 12:08:53 GMT -6
I was told by a rep I corresponded with from Hudl that they would have a bulk download feature available. Has anyone else heard this?
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Post by CoachP on Apr 7, 2019 16:31:39 GMT -6
I would like to learn more about sky coach as an alternative to HUDL. it looks as if all that's missing from it is the breakdown data/ report creation/ Hudl Playbook (all of which can be done elsewhere). Does it store individual plays as clips or is it one large game file? I would as well. Right now I use google drive and sheet and do everything by hand. The problem is when something breaks I might spend a weekend fixing it. But unlimited storage from work, and video in as high of resolution as your camera will go. I contacted sky coach and they have told me the plays are saved as idividual clips and can be exported to HUDL/Google Drive/ Krossover. You can also tag the necessary stuff but doesn't look like you can add columns of data like HUDL (if that's something you do).
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Post by maverickrider on Apr 8, 2019 10:27:17 GMT -6
Problem is that teams the have playoff success are even more penalized. We played 16 games last year plus two scrimmages, and with three angles of film that adds up to roughly 36 hours. With the silver package, that is half of the storage gone already. Its not 10 years of missed archive film, we would only be able to store 2 or 3. With as cheap as cloud storage is, this move is really puzzling from Hudl. It seems as if they are trying to recoup costs from other services that aren't as successful as they intended.
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Post by coacht65 on Apr 8, 2019 11:08:46 GMT -6
Here is how bad Hudl is screwing us with the new pricing. Hudl uses Amazon Web services for their hosting. AWS charges someone like Hudl no more than 2.1 cents per GB of data per month. So even if you had 1 terabyte of film stored (roughly 1000 GBs), it would cost Hudl $21 per month or $252 per year.
We currently have about 300 GB of film across 5 age groups middle school through varsity. That would require us to go to platinum from gold, costing us an extra $1600 a year. Hudl’s cost is only $76 a year for all 300GB of storage.
If Hudl was being anywhere close to reasonable, they would charge $50 per 100GB of storage over the limit. That still gives them a 800% markup over their costs.
Yes, the outrage is justified.
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Post by Defcord on Apr 8, 2019 11:23:10 GMT -6
Problem is that teams the have playoff success are even more penalized. We played 16 games last year plus two scrimmages, and with three angles of film that adds up to roughly 36 hours. With the silver package, that is half of the storage gone already. Its not 10 years of missed archive film, we would only be able to store 2 or 3. With as cheap as cloud storage is, this move is really puzzling from Hudl. It seems as if they are trying to recoup costs from other services that aren't as successful as they intended. We will gladly pay the extra if it means we are playing 16 games each year!
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2019 11:38:44 GMT -6
Problem is that teams the have playoff success are even more penalized. We played 16 games last year plus two scrimmages, and with three angles of film that adds up to roughly 36 hours. With the silver package, that is half of the storage gone already. Its not 10 years of missed archive film, we would only be able to store 2 or 3. With as cheap as cloud storage is, this move is really puzzling from Hudl. It seems as if they are trying to recoup costs from other services that aren't as successful as they intended. We will gladly pay the extra if it means we are playing 16 games each year! Hahahahahaha Good point. Plus, bet your gates will be pretty good on late round playoff games to help offset Hudl.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 8, 2019 20:54:17 GMT -6
So then why when they can still make a lot of money by offering bonus storage are they not going to make that an option?
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Post by coacht65 on Apr 9, 2019 5:31:11 GMT -6
So then why when they can still make a lot of money by offering bonus storage are they not going to make that an option? My guess? They want to force you into a higher tier. FAR more profit margin in Gold or Platinum than merely selling storage. Why collect $100 at a mere 80% profit margin when you can collect an extra $1,000 by forcing someone to go up a tier. Hudls marginal cost between silver and Gold? About $12 for extra storage. And between Gold and Platinum? A little extra support costs at the platinum level for 24/7 phone support plus say $50 (tops) in extra storage. Or to put it more simply, because they are trying to extract as much money from the game as possible and they made the conscious decision that this was the best way to do it. And until a competitor shows up, they are probably right.
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Post by CoachH on Apr 9, 2019 5:52:27 GMT -6
Here is how bad Hudl is screwing us with the new pricing. Hudl uses Amazon Web services for their hosting. AWS charges someone like Hudl no more than 2.1 cents per GB of data per month. So even if you had 1 terabyte of film stored (roughly 1000 GBs), it would cost Hudl $21 per month or $252 per year. We currently have about 300 GB of film across 5 age groups middle school through varsity. That would require us to go to platinum from gold, costing us an extra $1600 a year. Hudl’s cost is only $76 a year for all 300GB of storage. If Hudl was being anywhere close to reasonable, they would charge $50 per 100GB of storage over the limit. That still gives them a 800% markup over their costs. Yes, the outrage is justified. I think this is where a lot of people are angry - including myself. The idea of raising their prices and cutting storage is, in my opinion, a huge problem. The problem with alternatives is buying a video server (VAR), No real video editing software (watchgamefilm), and others is they just simply aren't as convenient. That's what makes Hudl good to begin with - it offers convenience while also being pretty good. Yes they have issues - some of the stuff is buggy, but for the most part they are good. This change however is extremely shortsighted in my eyes. The other thing, like you said about storage costs $252 per terabyte and they're offering for $1600 just 150 hours of storage. That's simply ridiculous. 100gb on google drive is 20$ a year. I just don't understand Hudl's thought process in picking a fight with coaches over storage. It's just asinine.
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Post by emptybackfield on Apr 9, 2019 6:32:21 GMT -6
Never let logic and reason get in the way of a good internet meltdown
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Post by planck on Apr 9, 2019 7:02:00 GMT -6
To be honest, if their primary market were NFL teams, I'd be totally fine with it. Bilk some billionaires out of a few extra bucks, they can afford it. But their primary market is high schools, which are...not known for having stacks of ducats just lying around. I know, I know, everybody is going to get all uppity about "oh so they can't sell their product" or "entitled to the sweat of their brow" or whatever, but it's just kind of {censored} to make a decision solely because you can extract money from the education system.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 9, 2019 7:59:49 GMT -6
Law of Supply and Demand
There is a high demand from hs coaches for hudl (or a similar product). There are not many options (supply). Therefore the price should be high. I think it is personally reasonable, but since it is a free market, everyone gets to make that choice for themselves.
Back to economics, the higher the price (and profit), the more other companies will jump in (more supply), thus lower prices AND creating innovation through competition.
If prices were set and the government standardized everything thirty years ago, we would still be using VHS tapes.
We do all realize that we can now get freaking instant replay on our sidelines!! Heck, I can give my wife our code and she can re-watch a play while in the stands!! When a game is over, I hit a little button on my iPad (Star Trek tech) and it instantly gets whisked away by magical fairies to the "cloud" and is available to me anywhere in the world. I can make cutups from my house and instantly sent them to my entire team. One of players can be visiting family 500 miles away and instantly watch them. ON HIS PHONE! I can push a button and send to an opposing coach or just ask another coach for film on another team and get 10 films from this year and last year. And they can be already broken down.
Again, everyone gets decide if it is worth it. If it is, buy it. If not, don't. If you have a better a idea or can do it better, start your own company or get some partners and do it together.
Am I happy that I have to pay more? No. Am I completely satisfied with their service and innovation lately? No.
But Hudl is still a great deal for my team. If someone comes up with a better product or more affordable product, I will be glad to switch.
As it is, just do another cookie dough fundraiser or Boston Butt sale or car wash or sell more adds in your program.
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Post by planck on Apr 9, 2019 8:05:31 GMT -6
If prices were set and the government standardized everything thirty years ago, we would still be using VHS tapes. Sorry, but no. The government constantly regulates and standardizes things. Hell, the reason my pickup truck has a backup camera, tire pressure monitoring, and traction control isn't because of supply and demand. It's because they're required by law. And, frankly, they all make my truck a hell of a lot nicer than the one I had 10 years ago.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 9, 2019 8:19:30 GMT -6
If prices were set and the government standardized everything thirty years ago, we would still be using VHS tapes. Sorry, but no. The government constantly regulates and standardizes things. Hell, the reason my pickup truck has a backup camera, tire pressure monitoring, and traction control isn't because of supply and demand. It's because they're required by law. And, frankly, they all make my truck a hell of a lot nicer than the one I had 10 years ago. So much to unwrap here. First, who pays for that!!! Hahahahahaha. Second, that is for safety!! Third, there wasn't even a company that ran the VHS tapes swap. So if the government mandated price controls on coaching swaps (lol - ridiculous argument I know), can you imagine trying to get the ok to go from $50 for a years worth of VHS tapes to $800-$1400, plus a computer, plus an internet connection? It couldn't happen. If the price was less, no company would jump in. Fourth, many companies operate in the negative for a while hoping to gain a substantial share or corner the market, knowing they can later make up the profit. That is probably where we are with Hudl. Who here thought Hudl was a ridiculously good value when it first came out? Heck, we were paying a lot more for just breakdown software with no sharing or cloud capability.
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Post by emptybackfield on Apr 9, 2019 8:19:52 GMT -6
To be honest, if their primary market were NFL teams, I'd be totally fine with it. Bilk some billionaires out of a few extra bucks, they can afford it. But their primary market is high schools, which are...not known for having stacks of ducats just lying around. I know, I know, everybody is going to get all uppity about "oh so they can't sell their product" or "entitled to the sweat of their brow" or whatever, but it's just kind of {censored} to make a decision solely because you can extract money from the education system. how do you know the reason they're doing it? I highly doubt it's just to F cash strapped programs over. Like any business, they are most likely analyzing their overhead costs and adjusting accordingly. If they were going to do it just to screw people, they'd have done it a long time ago.
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Post by planck on Apr 9, 2019 8:20:38 GMT -6
It's cool if we disagree. I have to say, I've got nothing but respect coach.
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