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Post by coachcb on Mar 28, 2019 8:38:11 GMT -6
So, I'm wondering if other schools or programs are having the same issues we are with social media.
Over the last three years, every single fist fight we've have has been spurred on by social media interaction. One of the fights happened between two basketball players when I was AD so I got to see the social media posts that fueled the fire. Needless to say, I was shocked by what the kids were saying to one another and I was no angel when it came to running my mouth at their age. They keyboard warriors were out in force before that fight finally broke out and the administration and I dragged all of the kids involved and their parents in to discuss is as we was trying to sort everything out.
In the end, the two kids that actually duked it out were suspended for a few games but we actually kicked a kid off of the team who didn't throw a single punch. The chit he was spitting out over social media was way out of line and some of it was happening during school hours so the administration gave him a few days ISS and I booted him from the team. We had a multitude of other kids that were punished via detention, ISS, and consequences on the basketball team.
But, what really bugged me about the whole situation was the fact that all but one of those kids showed back up to school with their cell phones. I ended up confiscating two phones a few days after all the consequences were laid out as they didn't turn them before my class started.. I had pushed for them to lose all cell-phone privileges in school but the administration wouldn't touch it as it would have "violated policy".
In my three years here, I have pushed to change our policy to completely ban cell-phone use during the day. The kids can have them before school, at lunch and after school but that's it. No cell phone allowed in classes, PERIOD. But, I get push back from staff members over this as well..
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 9:03:41 GMT -6
So, I'm wondering if other schools or programs are having the same issues we are with social media. Over the last three years, every single fist fight we've have has been spurred on by social media interaction. One of the fights happened between two basketball players when I was AD so I got to see the social media posts that fueled the fire. Needless to say, I was shocked by what the kids were saying to one another and I was no angel when it came to running my mouth at their age. They keyboard warriors were out in force before that fight finally broke out and the administration and I dragged all of the kids involved and their parents in to discuss is as we was trying to sort everything out. In the end, the two kids that actually duked it out were suspended for a few games but we actually kicked a kid off of the team who didn't throw a single punch. The chit he was spitting out over social media was way out of line and some of it was happening during school hours so the administration gave him a few days ISS and I booted him from the team. We had a multitude of other kids that were punished via detention, ISS, and consequences on the basketball team. But, what really bugged me about the whole situation was the fact that all but one of those kids showed back up to school with their cell phones. I ended up confiscating two phones a few days after all the consequences were laid out as they didn't turn them before my class started.. I had pushed for them to lose all cell-phone privileges in school but the administration wouldn't touch it as it would have "violated policy". In my three years here, I have pushed to change our policy to completely ban cell-phone use during the day. The kids can have them before school, at lunch and after school but that's it. No cell phone allowed in classes, PERIOD. But, I get push back from staff members over this as well.. I think the prob is exactly as you describe. It's philosophical. Some parents, faculty & admin all differ in their views on this. Hence, you can never get a clear constituency. Besides, that it's an addiction so even of they are banned they are still gonna try. Plus, many teachers are just as addicted so your faculty is split on upholding the rule leaving the admin pissing in the wind. I think school and athletics is a GREAT place & opportunity for kids to GET AWAY from electronics and work on communication skills. I think that would be much mentally & emotionally and SOCIALLY healthier for all of us. But unless it's enforced legally (never gonna happen) I think we are left to deal. In fact, I believe before I retire (8-9 years) online schooling from home will be well on it's way, thus eliminating even more personal social contact. JMO.
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Post by gccwolverine on Mar 28, 2019 9:16:13 GMT -6
So, I'm wondering if other schools or programs are having the same issues we are with social media. Over the last three years, every single fist fight we've have has been spurred on by social media interaction. One of the fights happened between two basketball players when I was AD so I got to see the social media posts that fueled the fire. Needless to say, I was shocked by what the kids were saying to one another and I was no angel when it came to running my mouth at their age. They keyboard warriors were out in force before that fight finally broke out and the administration and I dragged all of the kids involved and their parents in to discuss is as we was trying to sort everything out. In the end, the two kids that actually duked it out were suspended for a few games but we actually kicked a kid off of the team who didn't throw a single punch. The chit he was spitting out over social media was way out of line and some of it was happening during school hours so the administration gave him a few days ISS and I booted him from the team. We had a multitude of other kids that were punished via detention, ISS, and consequences on the basketball team. But, what really bugged me about the whole situation was the fact that all but one of those kids showed back up to school with their cell phones. I ended up confiscating two phones a few days after all the consequences were laid out as they didn't turn them before my class started.. I had pushed for them to lose all cell-phone privileges in school but the administration wouldn't touch it as it would have "violated policy". In my three years here, I have pushed to change our policy to completely ban cell-phone use during the day. The kids can have them before school, at lunch and after school but that's it. No cell phone allowed in classes, PERIOD. But, I get push back from staff members over this as well.. I think the prob is exactly as you describe. It's philosophical. Some parents, faculty & admin all differ in their views on this. Hence, you can never get a clear constituency. Besides, that it's an addiction so even of they are banned they are still gonna try. Plus, many teachers are just as addicted so your faculty is split on upholding the rule leaving the admin pissing in the wind. I think school and athletics is a GREAT place & opportunity for kids to GET AWAY from electronics and work on communication skills. I think that would be much mentally & emotionally and SOCIALLY healthier for all of us. But unless it's enforced legally (never gonna happen) I think we are left to deal. In fact, I believe before I retire (8-9 years) online schooling from home will be well on it's way, thus eliminating even more personal social contact. JMO. Never going to happen, I just don't see it. Parents who work - want / need "baby sitters" for their kids. Most parents who don't work want the kids out of the their hair and house for most of the day.
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Post by stilltryin on Mar 28, 2019 9:23:54 GMT -6
So, I'm wondering if other schools or programs are having the same issues we are with social media. Over the last three years, every single fist fight we've have has been spurred on by social media interaction. One of the fights happened between two basketball players when I was AD so I got to see the social media posts that fueled the fire. Needless to say, I was shocked by what the kids were saying to one another and I was no angel when it came to running my mouth at their age. They keyboard warriors were out in force before that fight finally broke out and the administration and I dragged all of the kids involved and their parents in to discuss is as we was trying to sort everything out. In the end, the two kids that actually duked it out were suspended for a few games but we actually kicked a kid off of the team who didn't throw a single punch. The chit he was spitting out over social media was way out of line and some of it was happening during school hours so the administration gave him a few days ISS and I booted him from the team. We had a multitude of other kids that were punished via detention, ISS, and consequences on the basketball team. But, what really bugged me about the whole situation was the fact that all but one of those kids showed back up to school with their cell phones. I ended up confiscating two phones a few days after all the consequences were laid out as they didn't turn them before my class started.. I had pushed for them to lose all cell-phone privileges in school but the administration wouldn't touch it as it would have "violated policy". In my three years here, I have pushed to change our policy to completely ban cell-phone use during the day. The kids can have them before school, at lunch and after school but that's it. No cell phone allowed in classes, PERIOD. But, I get push back from staff members over this as well..
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Post by stilltryin on Mar 28, 2019 9:28:34 GMT -6
Funny you should ask if other programs have similar problems.
Just happened onto an ESPN report last night about Arizona Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury's plan to build phone breaks into meetings, so players "can get their social media fix" ... because professional athletes apparently can't go more than 15 or 20 minutes without feeling like they're missing something.
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Post by stilltryin on Mar 28, 2019 9:31:47 GMT -6
Funny you should ask if other programs have similar problems. Just happened onto an ESPN report last night about Arizona Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury's plan to build phone breaks into meetings, so players "can get their social media fix" ... because professional athletes apparently can't go more than 15 or 20 minutes without feeling like they're missing something. ... and now I scroll down and see I wasn't the only one who saw that, and the rest of the world's already posted on here. Sorry about that. Should've checked my phone first.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 28, 2019 10:17:10 GMT -6
So, I'm wondering if other schools or programs are having the same issues we are with social media. Over the last three years, every single fist fight we've have has been spurred on by social media interaction. One of the fights happened between two basketball players when I was AD so I got to see the social media posts that fueled the fire. Needless to say, I was shocked by what the kids were saying to one another and I was no angel when it came to running my mouth at their age. They keyboard warriors were out in force before that fight finally broke out and the administration and I dragged all of the kids involved and their parents in to discuss is as we was trying to sort everything out. In the end, the two kids that actually duked it out were suspended for a few games but we actually kicked a kid off of the team who didn't throw a single punch. The chit he was spitting out over social media was way out of line and some of it was happening during school hours so the administration gave him a few days ISS and I booted him from the team. We had a multitude of other kids that were punished via detention, ISS, and consequences on the basketball team. But, what really bugged me about the whole situation was the fact that all but one of those kids showed back up to school with their cell phones. I ended up confiscating two phones a few days after all the consequences were laid out as they didn't turn them before my class started.. I had pushed for them to lose all cell-phone privileges in school but the administration wouldn't touch it as it would have "violated policy". In my three years here, I have pushed to change our policy to completely ban cell-phone use during the day. The kids can have them before school, at lunch and after school but that's it. No cell phone allowed in classes, PERIOD. But, I get push back from staff members over this as well.. I think the prob is exactly as you describe. It's philosophical. Some parents, faculty & admin all differ in their views on this. Hence, you can never get a clear constituency. Besides, that it's an addiction so even of they are banned they are still gonna try. Plus, many teachers are just as addicted so your faculty is split on upholding the rule leaving the admin pissing in the wind. I think school and athletics is a GREAT place & opportunity for kids to GET AWAY from electronics and work on communication skills. I think that would be much mentally & emotionally and SOCIALLY healthier for all of us. But unless it's enforced legally (never gonna happen) I think we are left to deal. In fact, I believe before I retire (8-9 years) online schooling from home will be well on it's way, thus eliminating even more personal social contact. JMO. I guess I'm just at a loss with this subject as I see so many parents and adults who don't view it as a problem, even when it obviously becomes an issue. A few years ago, I booted a girl off of the volleyball team for taking nude pictures of herself in the locker room and sending it to her boyfriend. The picture went viral, the police were involved and it was a royal PITA to handle. We had a zero tolerance policy for cell phones in locker rooms but I still had the parents fighting me on kicking her off of the team. She received OSS for it as well and they fought the administration on it. Low and behold, she showed up to school after her suspension with her cell phone in hand.
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 11:16:20 GMT -6
I think the prob is exactly as you describe. It's philosophical. Some parents, faculty & admin all differ in their views on this. Hence, you can never get a clear constituency. Besides, that it's an addiction so even of they are banned they are still gonna try. Plus, many teachers are just as addicted so your faculty is split on upholding the rule leaving the admin pissing in the wind. I think school and athletics is a GREAT place & opportunity for kids to GET AWAY from electronics and work on communication skills. I think that would be much mentally & emotionally and SOCIALLY healthier for all of us. But unless it's enforced legally (never gonna happen) I think we are left to deal. In fact, I believe before I retire (8-9 years) online schooling from home will be well on it's way, thus eliminating even more personal social contact. JMO. I guess I'm just at a loss with this subject as I see so many parents and adults who don't view it as a problem, even when it obviously becomes an issue. A few years ago, I booted a girl off of the volleyball team for taking nude pictures of herself in the locker room and sending it to her boyfriend. The picture went viral, the police were involved and it was a royal PITA to handle. We had a zero tolerance policy for cell phones in locker rooms but I still had the parents fighting me on kicking her off of the team. She received OSS for it as well and they fought the administration on it. Low and behold, she showed up to school after her suspension with her cell phone in hand. Of course. And you're the bad guy. just OSS'd a kid for filming a fight in the locker room and posting it all over to make fun of the girl (yes girl fight) who lost.
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Post by MICoach on Mar 28, 2019 11:19:01 GMT -6
At my last school we had a kid cheap shot an opponent in a game - out of character for the kid, who knows why he did it. Anyway the victim got hurt from the hit, and appears to have been the most popular kid in the school, every teacher's favorite kid, etc.
The social media onslaught afterward was enormous - kids from both schools threatening each other via twitter and instagram and parents getting involved in the comments sections on news sites...it was a whole big deal we were trying to deal with while we were in the midst of the school's best season in like 25 years or something.
So we suspend the kid but he's allowed on the sideline and OF COURSE our starting QB decides to post a snapchat video of him before the next game... The other school's admin immediately start hammering our AD with calls and texts and we have a second social media issue in like six days. AD wanted to kick the QB off the team on sight like an hour before the game, the kids are all distraught about it and {censored}...it was a mess
Long story short, social media is {censored} dumb and I hope it somehow fades away in terms of popularity (fat chance)
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Post by fantom on Mar 28, 2019 11:22:43 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue.
Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text.
As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon.
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Post by gccwolverine on Mar 28, 2019 11:43:04 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. IDC what anyone says, no learning happens in the classroom of an average class on cellphones. In order to be able to do work on learn on a phone you have to have an extreme discipline and focus to not be engaged with any of the other junk on your phone - that of which the average high school student does not have. And there is no way for the instructor to monitor the phones when they are out. Zero learning happens on a phone in an average hs setting. Now if you have an AP class of like 10 kids who are all serious academics they may have the ability and focus to be able to handle doing school work on their phones.
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 11:45:13 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. No, you're 100% on that. Our rule is it's to the discretion of the teacher. Unfortunately, teachers who don't use them still get fight from kids and become angry at those who support cell phone use for education. Theirs no real answer here. I wonder what 20 years will bring. Like I said above, I could see HS being more like college schedules where kids only appear periodically and do much more from home. Buildings will be partially empty at times and not near the community gathering places they are now. Wouldn't surprise me if the European model of sports takes the place of HS teams years down the road where you have community teams rather than HS teams. Who knows.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 28, 2019 11:47:46 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. As a math teacher, I learned a long time ago to provide calculators for the kids and ban cell phones. There's too many apps out there that will not only do the work for the kids but show them every step. I still have kids that use the apps on their homework for hat little credit it's worth and then bomb tests and quizzes when they don't have access to their cell phone. I tell them, time and time again that those apps are useful tools for checking their work but that they'll be screwed if they rely on it to carry them through their homework. This year, I started letting kids listen to music on their tablets but I warned them they wouldn't have access to them come test/quiz day. Sure as chit, half of the kids used internet sites to do their homework for them and then completely bombed their tests and quizzes. It was included in my syllabi and I emailed a few parents when kids scored a 10% on a formal assessment. I was told I was "setting the kids up for failure" by "letting them cheat" on their homework. My administrator backs me up on it so I just smile and nod every time I get a p-ssed off email from a parent about their kid's 100% score on homework but they're failing the class.
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Post by gccwolverine on Mar 28, 2019 11:55:21 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. As a math teacher, I learned a long time ago to provide calculators for the kids and ban cell phones. There's too many apps out there that will not only do the work for the kids but show them every step. I still have kids that use the apps on their homework for hat little credit it's worth and then bomb tests and quizzes when they don't have access to their cell phone. I tell them, time and time again that those apps are useful tools for checking their work but that they'll be screwed if they rely on it to carry them through their homework. This year, I started letting kids listen to music on their tablets but I warned them they wouldn't have access to them come test/quiz day. Sure as chit, half of the kids used internet sites to do their homework for them and then completely bombed their tests and quizzes. It was included in my syllabi and I emailed a few parents when kids scored a 10% on a formal assessment. I was told I was "setting the kids up for failure" by "letting them cheat" on their homework. My administrator backs me up on it so I just smile and nod every time I get a p-ssed off email from a parent about their kid's 100% score on homework but they're failing the class. Atleast you have administrative support. I've heard of places where the administration would put that back on the teacher calling them a bad teacher if kids are getting 100s on HW but bombing assessments.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 28, 2019 11:58:19 GMT -6
As a math teacher, I learned a long time ago to provide calculators for the kids and ban cell phones. There's too many apps out there that will not only do the work for the kids but show them every step. I still have kids that use the apps on their homework for hat little credit it's worth and then bomb tests and quizzes when they don't have access to their cell phone. I tell them, time and time again that those apps are useful tools for checking their work but that they'll be screwed if they rely on it to carry them through their homework. This year, I started letting kids listen to music on their tablets but I warned them they wouldn't have access to them come test/quiz day. Sure as chit, half of the kids used internet sites to do their homework for them and then completely bombed their tests and quizzes. It was included in my syllabi and I emailed a few parents when kids scored a 10% on a formal assessment. I was told I was "setting the kids up for failure" by "letting them cheat" on their homework. My administrator backs me up on it so I just smile and nod every time I get a p-ssed off email from a parent about their kid's 100% score on homework but they're failing the class. Atleast you have administrative support. I've heard of places where the administration would put that back on the teacher calling them a bad teacher if kids are getting 100s on HW but bombing assessments. One of those joys of being an experienced math teacher; we're hard to come by. Very few admins have given me grief over the years.
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Post by PSS on Mar 29, 2019 9:39:50 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. We do not allow cell phones in the classroom. Every teacher has a hanging calculator holder. They have to place it in the holder when they get into the room. Remember I'm at a rural school in Texas. We issue each student an Apple MacBook. They have no need to use a cell phone in the classroom. Also, we have one strict dress codes. Boys can't have hair below the color or more than an inch over the ears, no piercings, no facial hair, and no athletic shorts. Girls can only have one earring in each ear, jeans with holes in them must have tights underneath, dresses must be below a below the finger tips, no tights with out a shirt or dress dress below the finger tips. Granted it is strict but we are a very conservative community.
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Post by fantom on Mar 29, 2019 9:51:10 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. We do not allow cell phones in the classroom. Every teacher has a hanging calculator holder. They have to place it in the holder when they get into the room. Remember I'm at a rural school in Texas. We issue each student an Apple MacBook. They have no need to use a cell phone in the classroom. Also, we have one strict dress codes. Boys can't have hair below the color or more than an inch over the ears, no piercings, no facial hair, and no athletic shorts. Girls can only have one earring in each ear, jeans with holes in them must have tights underneath, dresses must be below a below the finger tips, no tights with out a shirt or dress dress below the finger tips. Granted it is strict but we are a very conservative community. I'm not a fan of it myself but this is the way that it's going.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2019 13:50:24 GMT -6
We do not allow cell phones in the classroom. Every teacher has a hanging calculator holder. They have to place it in the holder when they get into the room. Remember I'm at a rural school in Texas. We issue each student an Apple MacBook. They have no need to use a cell phone in the classroom. Also, we have one strict dress codes. Boys can't have hair below the color or more than an inch over the ears, no piercings, no facial hair, and no athletic shorts. Girls can only have one earring in each ear, jeans with holes in them must have tights underneath, dresses must be below a below the finger tips, no tights with out a shirt or dress dress below the finger tips. Granted it is strict but we are a very conservative community. I'm not a fan of it myself but this is the way that it's going. I'm in a conservative, rural area as well but you'd think these people were surgically attached to their damn cell phones. I confiscated a phone two weeks ago as a kid was texting in the middle of my class;he has a second cell phone, he turned in his first one. I've taken his phone before and turned it into the office and his mom has to come in and get it. But, you'd think I just beat the kid judging by the reaction I got from him: "WE'RE NOT DOGS THAT YOU CAN JUST ABUSE!!! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO OUR PHONES!!! THIS IS BULLCHIT!!!" I kicked him out of class, the administration gave him ISS and I informed his folks that, once again, we had a friggin' cell phone issue. Low and behold, he's back at school with his original cell phone.
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Post by PSS on Mar 29, 2019 14:06:01 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of it myself but this is the way that it's going. I'm in a conservative, rural area as well but you'd think these people were surgically attached to their damn cell phones. I confiscated a phone two weeks ago as a kid was texting in the middle of my class;he has a second cell phone, he turned in his first one. I've taken his phone before and turned it into the office and his mom has to come in and get it. But, you'd think I just beat the kid judging by the reaction I got from him: "WE'RE NOT DOGS THAT YOU CAN JUST ABUSE!!! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO OUR PHONES!!! THIS IS BULLCHIT!!!" I kicked him out of class, the administration gave him ISS and I informed his folks that, once again, we had a friggin' cell phone issue. Low and behold, he's back at school with his original cell phone. Parents have to pay $30 dollars to get the phone back. That's a week after it was picked up. One thing we do is allow them to have it in the locker areas between classes. Once they walk down the hall the phones have to be put away.
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Post by fantom on Mar 29, 2019 14:26:10 GMT -6
Is it really that big of a deal? If a kid has his/her phone out you tell them to put it away.
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Post by PSS on Mar 29, 2019 14:30:04 GMT -6
Is it really that big of a deal? If a kid has his/her phone out you tell them to put it away. The problem isn't with the good kids. It's with the one's that are constantly in ISS, alternative school. Also, many were listening to music during class, via bluetooth or running earbud cords up through their shirts. The school started cracking down on it 2 weeks ago. The issue has become a non issue because the majority of the kids are doing what they're told.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2019 16:36:13 GMT -6
Is it really that big of a deal? If a kid has his/her phone out you tell them to put it away.
Yes, it has become an enormous issue. I'll be asking kids to put their phones away all period long if I let them keep them. They will text, mess around on social media and play games the entire period if they have access to their phones. It's a classroom management nightmare. The kid with the second cell phone I described above was supposed to be working on a hands-on trig project worth a test grade when I strolled passed and saw he was playing some racing game on his phone.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 30, 2019 14:54:21 GMT -6
No video, no picture. Other than that, have at it re phones.
Social media: don't ban it, teach the ways it can be used for good instead of evil.
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Post by PSS on Mar 30, 2019 15:37:09 GMT -6
No video, no picture. Other than that, have at it re phones. Social media: don't ban it, teach the ways it can be used for good instead of evil. I've been taped in class and it end up on snapchat. Luckily I was teaching.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 30, 2019 15:51:41 GMT -6
Is it really that big of a deal? If a kid has his/her phone out you tell them to put it away.
Yes, it has become an enormous issue. I'll be asking kids to put their phones away all period long if I let them keep them. They will text, mess around on social media and play games the entire period if they have access to their phones. It's a classroom management nightmare. The kid with the second cell phone I described above was supposed to be working on a hands-on trig project worth a test grade when I strolled passed and saw he was playing some racing game on his phone.
Do you think if he hadn’t had the second phone, he would have been knocking that project out of the park? I have 15 years in the classroom and when I first started some kids had phones but not many and certainly not all of them. Even without phoned there was a fair share of slappies. I am not saying phones aren’t a distraction but I think the turds will be turds phone or no phone.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 30, 2019 17:33:55 GMT -6
Yes, it has become an enormous issue. I'll be asking kids to put their phones away all period long if I let them keep them. They will text, mess around on social media and play games the entire period if they have access to their phones. It's a classroom management nightmare. The kid with the second cell phone I described above was supposed to be working on a hands-on trig project worth a test grade when I strolled passed and saw he was playing some racing game on his phone.
Do you think if he hadn’t had the second phone, he would have been knocking that project out of the park? I have 15 years in the classroom and when I first started some kids had phones but not many and certainly not all of them. Even without phoned there was a fair share of slappies. I am not saying phones aren’t a distraction but I think the turds will be turds phone or no phone.
Probably not but at least he wouldn't have had the distraction sitting in his lap. And, distracting everyone around him while they were trying to get it done. In my experience, it's grown from being just another problem with "problem children" to being a problem with over a third of my classes. If I'm not on them like flies on chit to turn them in, I will catch at least a half dozen kids screwing around on them when they're supposed to be working on something.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 30, 2019 18:03:44 GMT -6
I see a couple of problems with banning cell phones from the classroom. For one, with all of the worry about school shootings I can see that there will be a pushback as a safety issue. Secondly, a lot of schools are pushing the use of cell phones or tablets as teaching tools. For example, in our leadership class last year, the text was loaded to the internet and the kids used their phones or school-issued tablets instead of a paper text. As big of a PITA that using the phones for social media in class is, I don't see a ban anytime soon. As a math teacher, I learned a long time ago to provide calculators for the kids and ban cell phones. There's too many apps out there that will not only do the work for the kids but show them every step. I still have kids that use the apps on their homework for hat little credit it's worth and then bomb tests and quizzes when they don't have access to their cell phone. I tell them, time and time again that those apps are useful tools for checking their work but that they'll be screwed if they rely on it to carry them through their homework. This year, I started letting kids listen to music on their tablets but I warned them they wouldn't have access to them come test/quiz day. Sure as chit, half of the kids used internet sites to do their homework for them and then completely bombed their tests and quizzes. It was included in my syllabi and I emailed a few parents when kids scored a 10% on a formal assessment. I was told I was "setting the kids up for failure" by "letting them cheat" on their homework. My administrator backs me up on it so I just smile and nod every time I get a p-ssed off email from a parent about their kid's 100% score on homework but they're failing the class. Serious question --and in no means trying to be snide or condescending--- from a non core teacher (elementary PE) here and : since it has been well established that it is nearly impossible to find an occasion where a person doesn't have a cell phone, and this cellphone can be used to solve the type of questions being asked what value is it to ask that type of question?
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Post by Defcord on Mar 30, 2019 19:01:17 GMT -6
Do you think if he hadn’t had the second phone, he would have been knocking that project out of the park? I have 15 years in the classroom and when I first started some kids had phones but not many and certainly not all of them. Even without phoned there was a fair share of slappies. I am not saying phones aren’t a distraction but I think the turds will be turds phone or no phone.
Probably not but at least he wouldn't have had the distraction sitting in his lap. And, distracting everyone around him while they were trying to get it done. In my experience, it's grown from being just another problem with "problem children" to being a problem with over a third of my classes. If I'm not on them like flies on chit to turn them in, I will catch at least a half dozen kids screwing around on them when they're supposed to be working on something.
Fair enough. I don’t know where I fall on them. I look at them as an ordinary distraction and generally just tell kids to put them away. The only time they really piss me off is when they are on them is when another kid is speaking in front of class because it’s so disrespect but no more than talking or reading or sleeping would be, at least to me. I did have an issue one year when I was teaching ap micro that two kids were texting each other answers so that’s an issue that you are avoiding by collecting them. I just don’t that taking them is the long term solution. Now they are using the watches which are a little more stealthy. At some point there will be implants. Hopefully we are all retired by then but what in the world are we going to do?
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Post by coachcb on Mar 31, 2019 7:00:06 GMT -6
As a math teacher, I learned a long time ago to provide calculators for the kids and ban cell phones. There's too many apps out there that will not only do the work for the kids but show them every step. I still have kids that use the apps on their homework for hat little credit it's worth and then bomb tests and quizzes when they don't have access to their cell phone. I tell them, time and time again that those apps are useful tools for checking their work but that they'll be screwed if they rely on it to carry them through their homework. This year, I started letting kids listen to music on their tablets but I warned them they wouldn't have access to them come test/quiz day. Sure as chit, half of the kids used internet sites to do their homework for them and then completely bombed their tests and quizzes. It was included in my syllabi and I emailed a few parents when kids scored a 10% on a formal assessment. I was told I was "setting the kids up for failure" by "letting them cheat" on their homework. My administrator backs me up on it so I just smile and nod every time I get a p-ssed off email from a parent about their kid's 100% score on homework but they're failing the class. Serious question --and in no means trying to be snide or condescending--- from a non core teacher (elementary PE) here and : since it has been well established that it is nearly impossible to find an occasion where a person doesn't have a cell phone, and this cellphone can be used to solve the type of questions being asked what value is it to ask that type of question?
Because the kids still need to understand the concept and context of the math they're doing and how it applies. Those apps are invaluable to those kids who use them to check their answers and work through problems. And, right now, I can only name a handful of students in my classes who don't plan on going on to SOME kind of higher education. Even those kids going to two-year vocational schools are going to end up taking some kind of mathematics when they get there. And, they won't be able to use a phone app there.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 31, 2019 7:44:23 GMT -6
Probably not but at least he wouldn't have had the distraction sitting in his lap. And, distracting everyone around him while they were trying to get it done. In my experience, it's grown from being just another problem with "problem children" to being a problem with over a third of my classes. If I'm not on them like flies on chit to turn them in, I will catch at least a half dozen kids screwing around on them when they're supposed to be working on something.
Fair enough. I don’t know where I fall on them. I look at them as an ordinary distraction and generally just tell kids to put them away. The only time they really piss me off is when they are on them is when another kid is speaking in front of class because it’s so disrespect but no more than talking or reading or sleeping would be, at least to me. I did have an issue one year when I was teaching ap micro that two kids were texting each other answers so that’s an issue that you are avoiding by collecting them. I just don’t that taking them is the long term solution. Now they are using the watches which are a little more stealthy. At some point there will be implants. Hopefully we are all retired by then but what in the world are we going to do?
It used to be a minor distraction but it has since escalated. Last week, I was scrambling at the beginning of first period and didn't check to see if all of the cell phones has been turned in. We had a track practice that ran late that morning so I was in a rush. Here's what happened:
Me: "Alright guys,the period has started, the bell-ringer review problems are on the board as well as the pages with your notes. You've got five minutes to get 'em done."
I sit down to take attendance just like every other day but I hear the clicking of someone's cell phone. I look over at the calculator holder and see that half of the class hasn't turned in their phones. I get up and five-six kids immediately walk over and put their phones in the holders. Another three are so distracted that they just keep clicking away and they get their phones taken away.
I literally have to tell the majority of my classes to turn their cell-phones in at the beginning of every period. Most have had me in math for two-three years now, they've NEVER been allowed to have phones in my room but many won't turn them in unless I remind them. I have shipped dozens of cell phones down to the office over the last three years but it's still a PITA.
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