CoachSP
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Post by CoachSP on Mar 28, 2019 8:10:18 GMT -6
Sports media is going downhill. This is a non issue. These players do not have a "regular" job. So the rules of their world are probably much different than any of ours. Facetious or not, comparing a football meeting to war is downright ridiculous. Agreed on final part. However, these guys shelf life for playing FB is an average of 2-3 years. If we can run meetings and practices for longer periods w/ hS kids and prep them for life after FB I would think the NFL could easily do the same. JMO. If it works, great. I just don't agree w/ lowering expectations. Take driving for example. Are we as society going to get to a point where we need to pull over every 20 minutes b/c we can't focus on the road long enough w/o checking SM? Then again, maybe we should I guess w/ all the accidents. Maybe I'm swimming upstream here & the expectation now is the SM addiction is incurable and we just have to adapt to allow for it. Just feels like giving up to me. It does seem like we are giving up in a way. It's definitely an addiction. Social skills in this country are declining in my opinion. Many feel the need for the approval and validation that social media gives. I think that if we are teaching life lessons to kids, learning how to be engaged in a face to face conversation is as important as anything else. Seems like we don't see that anymore.
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dbeck84
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Post by dbeck84 on Mar 28, 2019 8:11:49 GMT -6
I think the point we're missing here is that social media is how professional athletes build their brand. Players who are more active on social media become more popular and more marketable for advertising and sponsorships. A team of players who are more active on social media will have a more engaged fanbase and more ticket and merchandise sales. I think we are too fast to forget the business side of all of this.
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 8:15:09 GMT -6
When we showed game film to team we would stop at halftime and give them five minute break to stretch legs, go to bathroom, get a drink of water, or yes, check their phones if they chose before coming back to watch 2nd Half and some upcoming opponents tape. Hopefully it helped them "focus" knowing they would get a short break after ~45 minutes and they'd be done in another 45 minutes to an hour. Heck I didn't like watching tape all the way through, ours or opponents, took breaks at least every half. Often on Saturday afternoons I'd do a half, watch some CFB, then go back to film. Why would I have kids sit there in the dark for two hours straight? Dark is very conducive to Zs anyway. This is how we handle film sessions; get through a half of film, take a five minute break and then finish it up. And, we're usually looking at around 45 minutes as well. I think we've got an issue on our hands if people can't be expected to pay attention and interact for 45 minutes. We're not just sitting there jawing at them either; we're broken up into positions and continually interacting with the kids throughout that space of time. Kingsbury is a high level coach and knows his players. However, we're not going to stop a film session every 20 minutes so the kids can look at Post Malone's instagram account. I'm also in a Dean's position at my school and the vast majority of discipline I deal w/ nowadays is related to SM. That's another consideration to this IMO. NFL guys are noted for getting themselves in trouble in recent years. Not so sure MORE SM exposure helps that situation. I could seriously see a Cardinal player coming out of the meeting and tweeting something derogatory about how boring the meeting is whatever and causing an issue there. The other factor I consider here is once you take the "genie out of the bottle" you ain't getting it back in. If he decides this was a bad idea, good luck now restricting the privilege once you gave it to them. That's a serious uphill climb. Our school used to ban cell phone use during school hours except for educational purposes as decided on by their teacher. Then a new principal came in and gave them cells. Now...when a kid abuses the privilege it's WAR when I have to confiscate a phone. Many, NOT ALL, fully believe they are entitled to use phones during the school day as they see fit b/c it's their property. It's just a headache and the FB field is one of MY sanctuaries away from SM. I plan to keep it that way.
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Post by Coach Vint on Mar 28, 2019 8:22:23 GMT -6
A lot of places had/have smoke breaks. I remember back in the 80's when my dad was coaching and the teachers would sprint down the hall to the loading dock between classes for a smoke break. Those were the good old days.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 28, 2019 8:23:59 GMT -6
This is how we handle film sessions; get through a half of film, take a five minute break and then finish it up. And, we're usually looking at around 45 minutes as well. I think we've got an issue on our hands if people can't be expected to pay attention and interact for 45 minutes. We're not just sitting there jawing at them either; we're broken up into positions and continually interacting with the kids throughout that space of time. Kingsbury is a high level coach and knows his players. However, we're not going to stop a film session every 20 minutes so the kids can look at Post Malone's instagram account. I'm also in a Dean's position at my school and the vast majority of discipline I deal w/ nowadays is related to SM. That's another consideration to this IMO. NFL guys are noted for getting themselves in trouble in recent years. Not so sure MORE SM exposure helps that situation. I could seriously see a Cardinal player coming out of the meeting and tweeting something derogatory about how boring the meeting is whatever and causing an issue there. The other factor I consider here is once you take the "genie out of the bottle" you ain't getting it back in. If he decides this was a bad idea, good luck now restricting the privilege once you gave it to them. That's a serious uphill climb. Our school used to ban cell phone use during school hours except for educational purposes as decided on by their teacher. Then a new principal came in and gave them cells. Now...when a kid abuses the privilege it's WAR when I have to confiscate a phone. Many, NOT ALL, fully believe they are entitled to use phones during the school day as they see fit b/c it's their property. It's just a headache and the FB field is one of MY sanctuaries away from SM. I plan to keep it that way. I think social media use is an excellent topic for another thread.
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 8:37:18 GMT -6
A lot of places had/have smoke breaks. I remember back in the 80's when my dad was coaching and the teachers would sprint down the hall to the loading dock between classes for a smoke break. Those were the good old days. I had an English teacher in the 80's who would assign us a chapter to read & then "disappear" for several minutes at a time. He'd always come back smelling of cigarettes. Infant, he was permitted to smoke in his office, or just did. Not sure which. So we'd come see him with a question and his desk was littered w/ butts and ashtrays. Funny thing is, never even occurred to me at the time as unusual. Good ol' days indeed.
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Post by coachddwebb on Mar 28, 2019 16:21:16 GMT -6
The wider issue (which the article mentioned but didn't expand) is that they/we are addicted to ours phones and social media. I know it is blowing it out of proportion but we wouldn't give breaks to serve a different addiction (gambling break, smoking break, alcohol consumption break, drug break) etc etc. What I would have respected is some kind of announcement on how they plan to tackle cell phone/social media addiction. I am probably a little older than you, but I do remember when people use to take smoke breaks and it was ok.
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Post by fantom on Mar 28, 2019 16:36:18 GMT -6
The wider issue (which the article mentioned but didn't expand) is that they/we are addicted to ours phones and social media. I know it is blowing it out of proportion but we wouldn't give breaks to serve a different addiction (gambling break, smoking break, alcohol consumption break, drug break) etc etc. What I would have respected is some kind of announcement on how they plan to tackle cell phone/social media addiction. I am probably a little older than you, but I do remember when people use to take smoke breaks and it was ok. At a lot of places it still is.
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Post by 19delta on Mar 28, 2019 19:02:27 GMT -6
The wider issue (which the article mentioned but didn't expand) is that they/we are addicted to ours phones and social media. I know it is blowing it out of proportion but we wouldn't give breaks to serve a different addiction (gambling break, smoking break, alcohol consumption break, drug break) etc etc. What I would have respected is some kind of announcement on how they plan to tackle cell phone/social media addiction. I am probably a little older than you, but I do remember when people use to take smoke breaks and it was ok. When I was in high school (1988-1992), there was a "smoking lounge" for students. Ok...it wasn't actually a lounge. It was about a 15'x15' marked-off spot right outside an exterior door. In order to access the smoking lounge, you had to have a pass that was signed by your parents. Having a smoking lounge pass basically made you nobility among the burnouts and metalheads.
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 19:20:45 GMT -6
I am probably a little older than you, but I do remember when people use to take smoke breaks and it was ok. When I was in high school (1988-1992), there was a "smoking lounge" for students. Ok...it wasn't actually a lounge. It was about a 15'x15' marked-off spot right outside an exterior door. In order to access the smoking lounge, you had to have a pass that was signed by your parents. Having a smoking lounge pass basically made you nobility among the burnouts and metalheads. NICE!!!! I was 85-89 and we had a spot called "smokers corner". I'm not sure what the prerequisite was to attend but based on what I saw I'm sure most of them fit the criteria. With that said, I do like metal heads. Used to watch head bangers ball when MTV actually played music. Good ol days.
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Post by CoachP on Mar 28, 2019 22:06:32 GMT -6
I am probably a little older than you, but I do remember when people use to take smoke breaks and it was ok. At a lot of places it still is. I'm not aware of any "professional" professions that allocate smoking specific breaks outside of normal breaks. Even in the common workplace it is becoming rarer and rarer. Perhaps the workplace should implement Gambling breaks so i can bet on a horse race since this is the apparent logic.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 29, 2019 4:16:27 GMT -6
We ain’t talkin bout da game, we talkin bout practice. Practice. Pract-tice. Not the game. Practice.
Hell, we ain’t even talkin bout practice. We talkin bout the meeting. Not practice. Meetings.
Not the game. Not practice. Meetings.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 29, 2019 5:06:05 GMT -6
Agreed on final part. However, these guys shelf life for playing FB is an average of 2-3 years. If we can run meetings and practices for longer periods w/ hS kids and prep them for life after FB I would think the NFL could easily do the same. JMO. If it works, great. I just don't agree w/ lowering expectations. Take driving for example. Are we as society going to get to a point where we need to pull over every 20 minutes b/c we can't focus on the road long enough w/o checking SM? Then again, maybe we should I guess w/ all the accidents. Maybe I'm swimming upstream here & the expectation now is the SM addiction is incurable and we just have to adapt to allow for it. Just feels like giving up to me. It does seem like we are giving up in a way. It's definitely an addiction. Social skills in this country are declining in my opinion. Many feel the need for the approval and validation that social media gives. I think that if we are teaching life lessons to kids, learning how to be engaged in a face to face conversation is as important as anything else. Seems like we don't see that anymore. Mini rant: I participated in something called Real Talk with our school the other day. The premise of it is that kids turn off their phones for the day, break out into small groups, and talk about their problems in a judgment free zone that stays private unless it is something we are mandated to report. The kids (and facilitators) really open up about things in their lives. It was amazing to hear about kids dealing with drug/alcohol abuse, physical/emotional abuse, how they have overcome some of these things, and a bunch of other topics, and to see them open up to and support one another. The argument that Gen Z does not know how to communicate with one another is complete bullchit. They just do it differently, and often times more efficiently. Is social media a problem? Absolutely! Is it really killing our communication skills? Not so much.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 29, 2019 6:03:26 GMT -6
All the smoking reminded me of this Bob and Tom song...the marijuana logo is misleading it's your standard old cancer causing tobacco anthem
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Post by Defcord on Mar 29, 2019 6:10:40 GMT -6
It does seem like we are giving up in a way. It's definitely an addiction. Social skills in this country are declining in my opinion. Many feel the need for the approval and validation that social media gives. I think that if we are teaching life lessons to kids, learning how to be engaged in a face to face conversation is as important as anything else. Seems like we don't see that anymore. Mini rant: I participated in something called Real Talk with our school the other day. The premise of it is that kids turn off their phones for the day, break out into small groups, and talk about their problems in a judgment free zone that stays private unless it is something we are mandated to report. The kids (and facilitators) really open up about things in their lives. It was amazing to hear about kids dealing with drug/alcohol abuse, physical/emotional abuse, how they have overcome some of these things, and a bunch of other topics, and to see them open up to and support one another. The argument that Gen Z does not know how to communicate with one another is complete bullchit. They just do it differently, and often times more efficiently. Is social media a problem? Absolutely! Is it really killing our communication skills? Not so much. People are always leary of what's different. Many scared of what they don't understand. I remember in Tony Kornheiser's book he said that voicemail and message machines changed things. He discussed how people would call him and say "uhh uhh I didn't think I would get a person, hoping to leave a voicemail." Things change! I am not sure where to fall on the whole cell phone debate. I don't mind them, but we have a school rule to limit their use in our classrooms so I follow the policy when I see them, but I don't go out of my way to fight the battles. In 10 years will any of this matter or be relevant? When cars first were produced, people were warned that the new speed capabilities were dangerous to society. I kind of took a side turn off of your point, but I think you allude to the correct fact that young people aren't ruining world communication with electronic interaction.
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Post by CS on Mar 29, 2019 7:08:35 GMT -6
At a lot of places it still is. I'm not aware of any "professional" professions that allocate smoking specific breaks outside of normal breaks. Even in the common workplace it is becoming rarer and rarer. Perhaps the workplace should implement Gambling breaks so i can bet on a horse race since this is the apparent logic. Your arguments are extreme, but I know what you are trying to say. The reality is that in most jobs there are smoke breaks. With vaping being all the rage I'm sure that in the near future those will become close to non-existent.
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 29, 2019 7:13:49 GMT -6
I'm all for breaks every 30-45 minutes from meetings, but why call it a cell phone break? Why not just call it a break? 15 minutes to go do whatever.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 29, 2019 7:29:47 GMT -6
I'm all for breaks every 30-45 minutes from meetings, but why call it a cell phone break? Why not just call it a break? 15 minutes to go do whatever. This was sort of the point of my earlier post. Everyone gives their players breaks during the NFL workday I would presume. But...because Kingsbury is calling them cell phone breaks, he gets to sound more hip and in-tune with the needs of modern players.
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Post by fantom on Mar 29, 2019 8:52:54 GMT -6
I'm all for breaks every 30-45 minutes from meetings, but why call it a cell phone break? Why not just call it a break? 15 minutes to go do whatever. This was sort of the point of my earlier post. Everyone gives their players breaks during the NFL workday I would presume. But...because Kingsbury is calling them cell phone breaks, he gets to sound more hip and in-tune with the needs of modern players. And his most important audience is his players so why not?
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Post by fantom on Mar 29, 2019 8:54:19 GMT -6
I'm not aware of any "professional" professions that allocate smoking specific breaks outside of normal breaks. Even in the common workplace it is becoming rarer and rarer. Perhaps the workplace should implement Gambling breaks so i can bet on a horse race since this is the apparent logic. Your arguments are extreme, but I know what you are trying to say. The reality is that in most jobs there are smoke breaks. With vaping being all the rage I'm sure that in the near future those will become close to non-existent. I knew a lot of teachers who went to their cars every day during lunch and planning periods. Checking tire pressure?
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 29, 2019 8:57:56 GMT -6
I'm all for breaks every 30-45 minutes from meetings, but why call it a cell phone break? Why not just call it a break? 15 minutes to go do whatever. This was sort of the point of my earlier post. Everyone gives their players breaks during the NFL workday I would presume. But...because Kingsbury is calling them cell phone breaks, he gets to sound more hip and in-tune with the needs of modern players. This. “Come to the Cardinals bro where we grind and shine and get our swole on. No grandpas in hoodies with sticks up their asses allowed!”
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Post by silkyice on Mar 29, 2019 11:44:27 GMT -6
I'm all for breaks every 30-45 minutes from meetings, but why call it a cell phone break? Why not just call it a break? 15 minutes to go do whatever. THIS
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 7, 2019 13:52:13 GMT -6
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