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Post by fkaboneyard on Mar 11, 2019 11:08:28 GMT -6
Last week we played a team (baseball) that is typically very good. They have pretty strong pitching but my guys were absolutely bombing them. The whole time the coach and players were telling the pitcher, "Trust the process!" and "Process!" This went on for multiple relievers till we mercied them 18-0. Seriously, what does "trust the process" mean?
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Post by MICoach on Mar 11, 2019 11:17:09 GMT -6
In this instance I'd say it is intended to mean "We're not going to win many games but you're going to get good experience. Hopefully that experience will pay off in the future."
More often than not it actually ends up meaning "I don't have anything valuable to say and hope this reassures you."
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Post by olballcoach on Mar 11, 2019 11:23:27 GMT -6
THANK YOU!!! Typical coaching cliche. I'm with you boneyard, what do it even mean? And all the coaches who believe that...*facepalm*. I AM NOT discounting that culture and community is important, it is. Saw one coach say, "I don't fear your X's & O's, I fear your culture." I am probably in the minority on saying that your X's and O's matter more than your culture on game night. But as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. What happens to your culture then? "Changing the culture" or "Trust the process" or "Culture over scheme" Please stop! It just gets old!
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Post by CanyonCoach on Mar 11, 2019 11:27:03 GMT -6
As a younger and inexperienced coach I thought that we had created a process that developed our offensive system into a "face-melter"! Well it turned out that we had exceptional athletes who were incredibly coachable. 5 DI kids and 8 more DII kids(which is crazy for our area). When that finally ran its course so did the process. We spent a season trying to tell kids to trust the process but and we would right the ship. They didn't go to the weight room, they didn't practice hard and we lost all but 2 members of an 11 member staff.
It is not a process if no one is doing it.
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Post by fadepattern on Mar 11, 2019 11:49:23 GMT -6
TRUST noun 1.firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something.
synonyms: confidence, belief, faith, freedom from suspicion/doubt, sureness, certainty, certitude, assurance, conviction, credence, reliance
PROCESS noun 1.a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end. synonyms: procedure, operation, action, activity, exercise, affair, business, job, task, undertaking, proceeding
I really try to not be a big "Cliche guy" but I will use this one. The problem is that a lot of people use it/repeat it but never really understand what it means (coaches and players alike)
IF you can get your coaches AND players AND parents AND school staff to "believe in the procedures you are following to meet your end goals" then it is pretty powerful.
Obviously if you are just quoting a "Sabanism" I don't think it means much.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Mar 11, 2019 12:07:54 GMT -6
In this instance I'd say it is intended to mean "We're not going to win many games but you're going to get good experience. Hopefully that experience will pay off in the future." More often than not it actually ends up meaning "I don't have anything valuable to say and hope this reassures you."
This is honestly what it felt like but all the kids repeating it kind of threw me off. This was a very good team that should have beaten us badly. They have a couple kids that are widely believed to be good enough to make it to the big show. My guys went into the game thinking they were playing with house money. I told them before the game, "Someday you're going to be watching MLB with your son, won't it be great to tell them about the time you went yard on the pitcher they're watching on TV?" Three of them did, it was awesome. The coach seemed like he had no idea what to say or do. But his guys were completely sold out on the whole "process" deal. Weird.
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Post by carookie on Mar 11, 2019 12:25:11 GMT -6
It means don't deviate from what we are teaching you and try to freelance and come up with something on your own, or give up on what we are instructing you to do. It can also mean to not focus on the end result, and short term failures, rather continue doing what we are asking you to do and know that success will come in the long run.
Example, I was the coach for a brand new school once, our first year of varsity we were out matched because we simply didnt have the upperclassmen athletes that many opponents had. It would have been for players to quit, to denounce the techniques or system, to try to do it their own way. They could have simply gave up on the sport due to the short term struggles, but many didn't.
Within a year, we were league champs and soon thereafter a perennial state contender. Don't be myopic and let the short term struggles distract you from the long term success we will achieve if you trust the process.
Of course, in your case, it could have just been a cheap mantra for the coach to use to buy him time while he was failing.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 11, 2019 12:27:03 GMT -6
In this instance I'd say it is intended to mean "We're not going to win many games but you're going to get good experience. Hopefully that experience will pay off in the future." More often than not it actually ends up meaning "I don't have anything valuable to say and hope this reassures you."
This is honestly what it felt like but all the kids repeating it kind of threw me off. This was a very good team that should have beaten us badly. They have a couple kids that are widely believed to be good enough to make it to the big show. My guys went into the game thinking they were playing with house money. I told them before the game, "Someday you're going to be watching MLB with your son, won't it be great to tell them about the time you went yard on the pitcher they're watching on TV?" Three of them did, it was awesome. The coach seemed like he had no idea what to say or do. But his guys were completely sold out on the whole "process" deal. Weird.
I would assume they're typically successful and plan to continue as such this year. It's amazing the clichĂŠs and other crap you can get away with when you're a winner. I was a much better coach when my line averaged 6'2 and 280+ pounds for a couple years than I am right now. Just had to come up with a couple cool sayings and get out of their way. Now, I actually have to do work.
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Post by joelee on Mar 11, 2019 12:46:58 GMT -6
Maybe it means that they have a pitching rotation going and they won't deviate from it for a regular season win. Maybe they start the season off preaching no breaking balls till later in the year or something like that.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 11, 2019 12:48:13 GMT -6
While I agree with most of the previous posts, I would venture to say Nick Saban actually does have a process that kids need to trust, whereas most coaches who use the phrase say it to make their programs sound a lot more organized than they actually are.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 11, 2019 15:54:14 GMT -6
In this instance I'd say it is intended to mean "We're not going to win many games but you're going to get good experience. Hopefully that experience will pay off in the future." More often than not it actually ends up meaning "I don't have anything valuable to say and hope this reassures you."This is honestly what it felt like but all the kids repeating it kind of threw me off. This was a very good team that should have beaten us badly. They have a couple kids that are widely believed to be good enough to make it to the big show. My guys went into the game thinking they were playing with house money. I told them before the game, "Someday you're going to be watching MLB with your son, won't it be great to tell them about the time you went yard on the pitcher they're watching on TV?" Three of them did, it was awesome. The coach seemed like he had no idea what to say or do. But his guys were completely sold out on the whole "process" deal. Weird.Â
If they are very good and have guys that anyone thinks can actually make it to the majors and you beat them 18-0, something is WILDLY off. 18-0 is an absolute disaster. The fact they kept repeating trust the process and they are very good and have real talent could actually mean something here. Like you played their second string cause this was a throwaway game and they are about to play in a big time tournament with six games and they need all their actual pitching and players for that tournament. Just a guess. I mean a good team with major league talent doesnât even get beat 18-0 by the best team in the nation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 11, 2019 18:06:30 GMT -6
Last week we played a team (baseball) that is typically very good. They have pretty strong pitching but my guys were absolutely bombing them. The whole time the coach and players were telling the pitcher, "Trust the process!" and "Process!" This went on for multiple relievers till we mercied them 18-0. Seriously, what does "trust the process" mean? Have you not seen Hoosiers?
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Post by 19delta on Mar 11, 2019 21:12:56 GMT -6
Last week we played a team (baseball) that is typically very good. They have pretty strong pitching but my guys were absolutely bombing them. The whole time the coach and players were telling the pitcher, "Trust the process!" and "Process!" This went on for multiple relievers till we mercied them 18-0. Seriously, what does "trust the process" mean? Have you not seen Hoosiers? Jimmy Chitwood trusted the process...
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Post by silkyice on Mar 11, 2019 21:16:41 GMT -6
Have you not seen Hoosiers? Jimmy Chitwood trusted the process... Not at first. His not playing was going to cost the coach his job. Chitwood was the process.
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Post by 19delta on Mar 11, 2019 21:19:11 GMT -6
Jimmy Chitwood trusted the process... Not at first. His not playing was going to cost the coach his job. Chitwood was the process. But Jimmy was only going to play if Coach kept his job. đ
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Post by CS on Mar 12, 2019 3:14:41 GMT -6
It means the kid was getting his @ss waxed and the coach was trying to encourage him in some way without saying âhey man itâs ok.â
I donât see a problem with saying trust the process. We donât use it but it doesnât bother me to hear it.
I mean itâs not like he was out there saying âthrow strikesâ or âjust strike him out,â or anything of a similar nature.
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Post by 19delta on Mar 12, 2019 5:12:44 GMT -6
It means the kid was getting his @ss waxed and the coach was trying to encourage him in some way without saying âhey man itâs ok.â I donât see a problem with saying trust the process. We donât use it but it doesnât bother me to hear it. I mean itâs not like he was out there saying âthrow strikesâ or âjust strike him out,â or anything of a similar nature. Yeah...I get that. With that being said...c'mon. "Trust the process"? Is it even possible to be more cliche than that? I guess if the coach would have yelled out, "Row the boat", that would have been worse! I think MICoach hit the nail on the head. Beyond what he said, I think it is something that gets thrown out there when a coach really doesn't know what to do in terms of adjustments OR really doesn't have any other option other than what he is currently doing. You yell out something like, "Trust the Process!" to make it seem like you understand that the situation looks bleak now but that you have a plan that is going to produce better results in the future (even if you really don't!) I almost have to wonder if saying something like "Trust the Process" is more for the parents and fans than it is for the kids.
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Post by CS on Mar 12, 2019 7:17:36 GMT -6
It means the kid was getting his @ss waxed and the coach was trying to encourage him in some way without saying âhey man itâs ok.â I donât see a problem with saying trust the process. We donât use it but it doesnât bother me to hear it. I mean itâs not like he was out there saying âthrow strikesâ or âjust strike him out,â or anything of a similar nature. Yeah...I get that. With that being said...c'mon. "Trust the process"? Is it even possible to be more cliche than that? I guess if the coach would have yelled out, "Row the boat", that would have been worse! I think MICoach hit the nail on the head. Beyond what he said, I think it is something that gets thrown out there when a coach really doesn't know what to do in terms of adjustments OR really doesn't have any other option other than what he is currently doing. You yell out something like, "Trust the Process!" to make it seem like you understand that the situation looks bleak now but that you have a plan that is going to produce better results in the future (even if you really don't!) I almost have to wonder if saying something like "Trust the Process" is more for the parents and fans than it is for the kids. I pass judgment on any coach that uses row the boat and means it. More cliche: any defense that still uses GATA, he could have told the pitcher to be "Above the Line," Culture defeats strategy etc.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 12, 2019 7:26:11 GMT -6
fkaboneyard, How has the team been doing this season minus that one game?
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Post by fantom on Mar 12, 2019 7:38:03 GMT -6
I don't think that you can understand "The process" without understanding the circumstances. Was this a preseason game that doesn't really count? They have a MLB prospect pitcher? Was he pitching? If so, was he working on other pitches besides his heater (If he's a prospect, obviously he has a great fastball)?
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 12, 2019 8:18:14 GMT -6
Yeah...I get that. With that being said...c'mon. "Trust the process"? Is it even possible to be more cliche than that? I guess if the coach would have yelled out, "Row the boat", that would have been worse! I think MICoach hit the nail on the head. Beyond what he said, I think it is something that gets thrown out there when a coach really doesn't know what to do in terms of adjustments OR really doesn't have any other option other than what he is currently doing. You yell out something like, "Trust the Process!" to make it seem like you understand that the situation looks bleak now but that you have a plan that is going to produce better results in the future (even if you really don't!) I almost have to wonder if saying something like "Trust the Process" is more for the parents and fans than it is for the kids. I pass judgment on any coach that uses row the boat and means it. More cliche: any defense that still uses GATA, he could have told the pitcher to be "Above the Line," Culture defeats strategy etc. GATA will never go out of style.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Mar 12, 2019 8:23:00 GMT -6
fkaboneyard , How has the team been doing this season minus that one game?
They have been solid. They didn't throw their best pitcher but they threw their second, third and fourth best pitchers. My guys have been good so far this season but they played out of their minds - not a single error, our pitching was unbelievable (or their batting was terrible, I don't know) and our batting was outstanding. Everybody expected us to get rolled - even us. It was a league game and they were saving their ace for the other league powerhouse (we are probably number 3 in the league), it's a game they wanted to win.
It was a really fun game where the stars aligned in our favor. My wife is still icing herself. I told her to "trust the process".
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 12, 2019 8:35:37 GMT -6
THANK YOU!!! Typical coaching cliche. I'm with you boneyard, what do it even mean? And all the coaches who believe that...*facepalm*. I AM NOT discounting that culture and community is important, it is. Saw one coach say, "I don't fear your X's & O's, I fear your culture." I am probably in the minority on saying that your X's and O's matter more than your culture on game night. But as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. What happens to your culture then? "Changing the culture" or "Trust the process" or "Culture over scheme" Please stop! It just gets old! changing the culture or turning this doormatt of a loser, bottom feeder into something respectable. that would be changing the culture. if youve ever coached in a community that has never had or been some years of losing and excitement hasnt happend in some time, changing that culture can be as simple as the team being in stretch lines and doing things as a team on friday night. walking 2x2 to and from the field, lining up on the goal line for national anthem, etc..... know that 1st hand, i did it at a school. was the most bizarre thing. we lost home opener and admin came to me and said that was the best thing they had seen in quite some time at the school. community people were shaking my hand (we lost by 3 tds) and saying thank you for creating some excitment and we looked great out there, best they had seen in 10 years. it happend alot for a couple years. we won 6 games in 3 seasons and you would have thought we were state champs. never lost a game by more than 3 tds....... culture over scheme, sure its jimmies n joes, not x and o. if my dudes are killers you can scheme all you want if your 5'5 and 150lbs OL kids. thrust the process=listen to what we have been teaching, coaching, working on, at some point it will come to fruition.
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Post by olballcoach on Mar 12, 2019 9:04:49 GMT -6
In response to mnike23That is cool, coach. And it takes a special coach to take over a doormat and turn it into something special. However, let me ask you, in those 3 seasons, you won 6 games, while that is probably a HUGE accomplishment and I am NOT discounting that, is your admin going to keep telling you what a great job you are doing after year 4, year 5, year 6? If they do, NEVER leave! Sidenote - Keep up the good work coach!
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 12, 2019 10:36:13 GMT -6
In response to mnike23 That is cool, coach. And it takes a special coach to take over a doormat and turn it into something special. However, let me ask you, in those 3 seasons, you won 6 games, while that is probably a HUGE accomplishment and I am NOT discounting that, is your admin going to keep telling you what a great job you are doing after year 4, year 5, year 6? If they do, NEVER leave! Sidenote - Keep up the good work coach! brotha, let me tell ya.... the principal that hired me, was moved the next summer, then that guy was around for 2 seasons(top 2 ive ever worked for), he could care less if we won or not. it was about putting solid on the field, he knew the struggles(was an AP at a 3x state champ program) and understood what we had to work with. so he left summer of year 3. brand, brand new principal, was overwhelemed, he brought in his own AD(former football coach, knew it was going to be bad), AD that hired me, she retired, i knew that was the begnning of the end. i was let go pretty soon after the hiring. would it have worked out, naw, not with this dude wanting his own people. but, that is the job,,, all things considered, if either the principal that hired me or the next 1 had stayed, i would still be the HBC. we had it going in the right direction for sure! on to the next 1
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Post by Coach.A on Mar 12, 2019 21:48:18 GMT -6
In "Sabanese" the phrase "trust the process" means to NOT worry about the scoreboard and instead just focus on doing your job at the highest level.
Basically, just worry about winning the next pitch. I think it makes sense in that context.
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