choprip
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Post by choprip on Feb 23, 2019 6:42:54 GMT -6
First year HC. I told the kids I’d like to be more uniform...no arm sleeves, bands, spat, etc. unless everyone has it. I thought some of them were going to quit on the spot. I must be out of touch - I didn’t realize it was that big of a deal. I’m the type to pick my battles, so is this even one worth fighting? Curious to hear what your team policies are and your thoughts behind them.
On one hand, it’s we before me. Then I think of Matt Nagy and his “Be You” philosophy.
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Post by CS on Feb 23, 2019 6:56:22 GMT -6
They’re just throwing a hissy. If you back down now you will lose authority. You did it for a reason so if they quit, deuces
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Post by bluboy on Feb 23, 2019 7:17:15 GMT -6
For starters-No earrings, jewelry, head bands, "dew rags". No hats on sideline. Players who cannot practice must come out to practice in full gear(not street clothes) unless told otherwise by HC or trainer. Those who can not suit-up for practice wear team-issue shorts and t-shirt. Everyone wears black cleats and black socks on game day. If ankle needs taped over shoe, black tape. Players wear team-issue dry-fit shirt under game jersey. Arm sleeves are okay, but must be school colors. On cold nights, cold gear must be school colors.No end zone dances after a score (act as if you have been there a zillion times before). When we travel, everyone wears team-issue dry-fit or sweatshirt (depending on weather). Everyone wears same team-issue shorts and t-shirt to all team meetings and workouts. When our players attend a banquet or luncheon, they must wear collared shirt and tie, nice pants (no jeans/sweats), and real shoes.
We stress to our kids that we do not want them to do anything to bring individual attention to any one of them. We want their team play to bring attention to our team. It's all about taking care of the little things that take care of the big things. IMO, these "little things" are the bricks that build the foundation of a culture. I won't lie; we have lost some good players who could not/would not do things our way. In the long run it was addition by subtraction.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 23, 2019 8:30:29 GMT -6
Who cares. Unless it's something outrageous let 'em be. I use to think it was a big deal but not any more.
Our game is under attack and dying in some areas, if a kid want's to play, isn't and a$$hole, works hard and does what they are supposed to as a good teammate I could give a chit if he wears an arm sleeve or has different colored cleats. It's a game it's supposed to be fun it's almost like their reward for working hard all week, go get your costume on and play football.
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Post by fantom on Feb 23, 2019 8:41:20 GMT -6
First year HC. I told the kids I’d like to be more uniform...no arm sleeves, bands, spat, etc. unless everyone has it. I thought some of them were going to quit on the spot. I must be out of touch - I didn’t realize it was that big of a deal. I’m the type to pick my battles, so is this even one worth fighting? Curious to hear what your team policies are and your thoughts behind them. On one hand, it’s we before me. Then I think of Matt Nagy and his “Be You” philosophy. Keep in mind that Nagy coaches in the NFL, which has a very strict uniform policy. We do, too. Some may think that this is inconsistent with our laissez-faire attitude toward hair. I don't think that it is. Hair, clothing (within the school dress code), etc. are personal choices that are part of who they are outside of football. That's the time to "Be You". In uniform they're part of the team.
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Post by fantom on Feb 23, 2019 9:11:26 GMT -6
Keep in mind that Nagy coaches in the NFL, which has a very strict uniform policy. We do, too. Some may think that this is inconsistent with our laissez-faire attitude toward hair. I don't think that it is. Hair, clothing (within the school dress code), etc. are personal choices that are part of who they are outside of football. That's the time to "Be You". In uniform they're part of the team. so is hair and jewelry. What the hell are you talking about?
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Post by fantom on Feb 23, 2019 9:44:04 GMT -6
What the hell are you talking about? what does any accessory have to with with winning? The argument I was presented with what was haircut you has nothing to do with winning, the slippery slope of that is what does jewelry, arm bands and other accessories have to with winning? You cannot arbitrarily decide hair is ok but ear rings based on individualism or personal time. Your position is inconsistent. I've already explained why I feel they way that I do. If you feel differently, feel free to run your team the way that you want.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Feb 23, 2019 11:15:15 GMT -6
Take or give it in the rear, do drugs,....we don't care
Please, oh please, tell me that you actually don't tell this to your athletes.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 23, 2019 11:56:50 GMT -6
I am admittedly Old School" and when I coached wanted to reinforce the Team Concept, as in it's called a UNI-form for a reason.
We wanted our players to attract attention by how they played, not whether they were wearing different colored shoes, socks, or whatever.
Nobody could see their hair unless they were Troy Palamalu or had dreadlocks. That I wouldn't have had a problem with (so long as it didn't affect their helmet fit) but I would've been afraid for them of somebody grabbing hold of it and giving them a headache or even whiplash.
My kinda' guy!!!
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Post by fantom on Feb 23, 2019 12:11:04 GMT -6
Take or give it in the rear, do drugs,....we don't care Please, oh please, tell me that you actually don't tell this to your athletes. If he has players. The more I see of this guy the more convinced that he's just a troll, not a coach at all.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 23, 2019 12:35:01 GMT -6
we set some parameters but they can go crazy within that and within the rules
the Refs here make them take off all the little small stupid bands pre game anyway so thats no big deal for us
We wear black accessories at home and white away
they can go short socks, long socks, tights, i dont really care but they just have to stay in the color scheme we have told them . Our HC has also ordered them team socks in past year and they all wear those, he didnt this past year
no one wore Durags for the last decade and about a year ago they made a big comeback, pretty much all 90s fashion is back now with our kids i dont really care about the Durag thing, sometimes you just need to be wavy
our White MLB wore a Durag a few games, it was awesome
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Post by canesfan on Feb 23, 2019 13:30:41 GMT -6
To some extent I don’t care what accessories they wear if it matches the uniform.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 23, 2019 18:06:48 GMT -6
I guess sometimes it depends on the situation at your school. We have multiple kids who can't afford cleats that dig through the used cleat box every year or end up with the cheapest cleats they can find. Had a two way starter a few years ago who couldn't buy cleats, we got him some from some college connections we had. They where white and orange size 17. Our colors are black and yellow. We've bought other kids cleats when we see them on sale regardless of color.
I'd rather have mismatched kids playing and around our coaching staff than out on the streets cause they wore the wrong color cleats.
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Post by Yash on Feb 23, 2019 18:17:52 GMT -6
For starters-No earrings, jewelry, head bands, "dew rags". No hats on sideline. Players who cannot practice must come out to practice in full gear(not street clothes) unless told otherwise by HC or trainer. Those who can not suit-up for practice wear team-issue shorts and t-shirt. Everyone wears black cleats and black socks on game day. If ankle needs taped over shoe, black tape. Players wear team-issue dry-fit shirt under game jersey. Arm sleeves are okay, but must be school colors. On cold nights, cold gear must be school colors.No end zone dances after a score (act as if you have been there a zillion times before). When we travel, everyone wears team-issue dry-fit or sweatshirt (depending on weather). Everyone wears same team-issue shorts and t-shirt to all team meetings and workouts. When our players attend a banquet or luncheon, they must wear collared shirt and tie, nice pants (no jeans/sweats), and real shoes. We stress to our kids that we do not want them to do anything to bring individual attention to any one of them. We want their team play to bring attention to our team. It's all about taking care of the little things that take care of the big things. IMO, these "little things" are the bricks that build the foundation of a culture. I won't lie; we have lost some good players who could not/would not do things our way. In the long run it was addition by subtraction. Team issue shorts, shirts, travel suits.... We don’t have any of that. Never have had that luxury.
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Post by carookie on Feb 23, 2019 19:03:43 GMT -6
First year HC. I told the kids I’d like to be more uniform...no arm sleeves, bands, spat, etc. unless everyone has it. I thought some of them were going to quit on the spot. I must be out of touch - I didn’t realize it was that big of a deal. I’m the type to pick my battles, so is this even one worth fighting? Curious to hear what your team policies are and your thoughts behind them. On one hand, it’s we before me. Then I think of Matt Nagy and his “Be You” philosophy. I am not disagreeing with your rule, but maybe finding out about it will help figure things out. Why do you care is they where sleeves and bands? What about dressing the same do you feel will better impact your program? Don't get me wrong, I believe there to be benefits, but I think if you can articulate them out it may help.
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Post by sweep26 on Feb 23, 2019 19:41:35 GMT -6
choprip it doesn't seem like your basic expectations are out of line...structure and discipline are a must. Know your current situation and thoroughly think through all of the rules that you plan to implement. Once you establish yourself and earn their trust...you can usually implement nearly any rule that is within reason. Just do not paint yourself into a corner. If you make a rule you have to enforce it. Be cautious.
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Post by agap on Feb 23, 2019 23:41:13 GMT -6
We don't have many rules about accessories except for the shirt they wear under their shoulder pads.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 24, 2019 9:21:36 GMT -6
What the hell are you talking about? what does any accessory have to with with winning? The argument I was presented with what was haircut you has nothing to do with winning, the slippery slope of that is what does jewelry, arm bands and other accessories have to with winning? You cannot arbitrarily decide hair is ok but ear rings based on individualism or personal time. Your position is inconsistent. Accessories have nothing to do with winning, but discipline does. The OP has nothing against accessories. He's trying to instill discipline which the previous HC most likely lacked. I'm not saying I agree with this rule the OP put in place. I would allow whatever the sanctioning body allowed and would instill discipline in other ways, but what he's doing does have to do with winning.
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Post by mountainman on Feb 25, 2019 2:58:27 GMT -6
We have kids that buy cleats at Ross and raid our cabinet that has the old leftovers from past seasons. We combat this with a traditional the HC before me started and I have continued, we spray paint the cleats completely black before games. This puts all the kids on the same playing field and makes us look unified as a team. Plus it has become a team ritual. Some kids (my son included) will purchase all black cleats so they don’t have to paint them. We also require everyone to have only wear only black sleeves, gloves, etc. we let them wear them as long as they are black.
Two exceptions:
1. We have one away game per year where we will “white out”. It is usually against one of our local rivals and usually requires that we are playing for a league championship. We wear our white pants (which we don’t normally wear), paint cleats white, and wear all white gloves, sleeves, etc. Some kids are already planning what they are going to wear to this right now. Others just get white spray paint and paint their old cleats. Either way we all look equal and that same on game day.
2. We have one home game per year that we call “Heroes Night”. We have Red, White and Blue uniforms with Stars and Stripes that we only wear on this occasion. This is the one game we allow the kids to go crazy. Cleats can all be different as long as they are patriotic. Sleeves, armbands, Durags, etc. the sky is the limit. Go as crazy as you like. This is usually the night the refs give us a lot of leeway. We also dedicate the game to veterans, police and first responders. Each player invites a hero to our pre-game meal, they come into our locker room, walk out with us, etc. we also have a helicopter fly in the mascots with the game ball, sell T shirts, raise money for a local charity, and have other activities dedicated to our Heroes.
It is amazing how this has become part of our culture and how excited the kids get about something as dumb as painting cleats and their gear. I guarantee that if I walk into spring ball and announce that we are no longer painting cleats that I would have a mutiny on my hands.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 6:46:19 GMT -6
Just like with the hair cuts, I don't really care as long as it is a) team color, and b) within the rules of our governing body.
Example, 3 or 4 years ago when Under Armour had those super hero cleats a kid showed up with the Joker cleats expecting to play in them. Our colors were Navy Blue, Columbia Blue, and White. His shoes were not those colors, so he sat. We had talked to him and parents beforehand.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Feb 25, 2019 18:15:44 GMT -6
Pretty much don’t care about accessories as refs deal with excess bands, sleeves, and other flair. Visors I don’t mind as the dark and colored visors are not wearable. Only accessory I have issues with is gloves on WRs. Basically for my group they are something they have to earn. If you cant catch and refuse to stalk block why do you need gloves? They learn quick
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Post by MICoach on Feb 26, 2019 8:30:25 GMT -6
I've seen this go a lot of different ways. Our coach in college was a stickler for everything his way - whole team wears the same socks, sleeves can only be school colors, and absolutely no wristbands, etc. (which he referred to as flair). We also had hair and facial hair rules. To my knowledge nobody ever lost playing time over these things but got ran after practice enough to make them second guess breaking the rules again. I'd say most of the guys on the team thought it was old fashioned and out-dated but followed the rules to avoid the hassle.
I can definitely see the merit in it, however, because we had guys in high school who were so concerned about what they looked like that it was a detriment to their play.
A head coach I worked under let guys do whatever they wanted for that stuff so long as it wasn't a distraction. We went into half against a rival up like 7-0 once when it should've been about 30 and he laid into them about spending too much time getting their eye black just right and not enough time preparing, everybody wanted to look tough but nobody wanted to act tough.
Kids are gonna be kids, but when it becomes a detriment to the team then something has to be done. I'm not gonna kick a guy off the team for wearing the wrong undershirt or the wrong pair of practice shorts, but I'm content to throw enough sprints and push ups at them to second guess doing it again.
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Post by bigcoach38 on Feb 26, 2019 9:11:58 GMT -6
as long as accessories match, no big deal....jewelry is not allowed as a safety thing, or at least that is what we tell them.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 26, 2019 9:17:59 GMT -6
Accessories have nothing to do with winning, but discipline does. The OP has nothing against accessories. He's trying to instill discipline which the previous HC most likely lacked. I'm not saying I agree with this rule the OP put in place. I would allow whatever the sanctioning body allowed and would instill discipline in other ways, but what he's doing does have to do with winning. all the stuff outside white line is just begging to bring down the HC. Sermons, Devotions, leadersip meetings, dress code, hair cuts really have nothing to do with fb. You will eventually cross a line with somebody who has power if you stick around. You are not their parents. All the lesson that coaches want taught, discipline they want instilled start inside the white lines. I get what you're saying, but I don't agree with your last sentance. All lessons and discipline coaches want taught do NOT start inside the lines. One example is the off season in the weight room is a good time to start instilling the culture you want.
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Post by drmackey on Feb 26, 2019 12:42:13 GMT -6
We don't allow any accessories that we don't provide. We pay for the uniforms, shoes, socks, undershirts, tights, gloves, cold gear all of it. If they need a brace to play we will pay for it. If we don't have it, then they don't need it. In a community where most of our families struggle financially it takes the burden off of the parents.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 26, 2019 12:54:35 GMT -6
We don't allow any accessories that we don't provide. We pay for the uniforms, shoes, socks, undershirts, tights, gloves, cold gear all of it. If they need a brace to play we will pay for it. If we don't have it, then they don't need it. In a community where most of our families struggle financially it takes the burden off of the parents. Man this is great. Probably the most ideal situation. I know a lot of coaches are going to say they dont have the funds to buy all that, but if its important to you then you'll find ways.
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Post by drmackey on Feb 26, 2019 13:15:10 GMT -6
We have a healthy budget. Shoes, socks, undershirts are replaced every year. Cold gear is replaced when we purchase uniforms. We buy uniforms every three years; uniforms do not come out of our budget. We purchase for the varsity and hand down to the JV.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 26, 2019 16:00:49 GMT -6
Be You has nothing to do with apparel. It's to remind himself to call plays that fit his personality. Not to be too safe.
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Post by 42falcon on Feb 28, 2019 20:39:30 GMT -6
Accessories have nothing to do with winning, but discipline does. The OP has nothing against accessories. He's trying to instill discipline which the previous HC most likely lacked. I'm not saying I agree with this rule the OP put in place. I would allow whatever the sanctioning body allowed and would instill discipline in other ways, but what he's doing does have to do with winning. all the stuff outside white line is just begging to bring down the HC. Sermons, Devotions, leadersip meetings, dress code, hair cuts really have nothing to do with fb. You will eventually cross a line with somebody who has power if you stick around. You are not their parents. All the lesson that coaches want taught, discipline they want instilled start inside the white lines. I could not disagree more with this statement above. If the only goal of a football program is to win games then yes what you have said is bang on. Where I coach is not the NFL. The NFL you can kill someone off the field and as long as you can "ball out on Sunday" you are gonna play, $hit you might even end up in the HOF. Where I coach is HS football. Each and every kid we coach will go onto be a man, a citizen of our country and a productive member of society. So the end goal has to be more than winning. Leadership councils, prayer groups (if your school is religious), dress code are all a part of teaching a person how to govern themselves. I would argue that doing the right thing when it is hard to do it is one of the greatest life lessons we can impart on these boys. When your friends have their pants down to their a$$es and you are in dress pants and a tie on game day that isn't easy to sell or own. But this is a small lesson what's going to be harder is when your co-worker steals and looks at you to do the same. Every moment we have these kids is an opportunity to teach them something. We had a kid this year comes from a terrible home life, essentially everyone around him is "known to police". Football, the structure the rules, the policies etc pulled him out of that crap. He is dangerously close to getting into University, he is a heck of a ball player. The extra stuff outside the lines along with the stuff in the lines will be the difference between this kid wearing a suit to work vs an orange jump suit. I don't care what policy a coach has around accessories, but if he has a: rationale, substance, integrity, intent and the ability to follow through then so be it. Here's the thing we are not in his school / community. What works in your school with your kids and parents may not fly in my school. One of our rival schools we refer to as the "hired guns" lots of out of area kids who go there for "football" they are a little more free wheeling than us it works for the coach and the kids. A school we have tried to pattern ourselves off of is affectionately known as the "robots" I swear they coach how to walk and chew gum because they all do it the same. That also wouldn't work for us. What I am trying to say is the answer is not always black and white there are shades of grey.
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Post by Yash on Mar 1, 2019 14:00:49 GMT -6
A head coach I worked under let guys do whatever they wanted for that stuff so long as it wasn't a distraction. We went into half against a rival up like 7-0 once when it should've been about 30 and he laid into them about spending too much time getting their eye black just right and not enough time preparing, everybody wanted to look tough but nobody wanted to act tough. IMO this is a BS reason to lay into kids. If the kids didn't prepare enough, it is our faults as coaches for allowing it to happen. If we don't squash that mentality early we deserve to have it bite us in the butts. I don't over regulate on things like this because I feel they are non-factors in games. I get the "little things win games approach" but I think that little things that happen at practice on a daily basis are the things you focus on. As long as kids are on time, and give you everything they have during practice, let them be them and express themselves. If it costs us 15 yards or it starts taking away from the team, then its my business.
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