colt1
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Post by colt1 on Feb 18, 2019 12:01:42 GMT -6
In lieu of going to an expensive camp at a college this year I wanted to have a lock in at our school.
If any of you have done one, how did you get your admin on board with it liability wise? I've got the entire two day period planned out hour by hour but the principal is a little apprehensive: 1. She is new and this is all unfamiliar to her 2. We had a school in our county last year have one and they reported while a state mandated dead period was still in effect and they also had fight between players in the gym that was unsupervised by the coaches and tried to cover it up.
Any body that has done one I would really like to hear the logistic of how you made it work so I can help put the admins mind at ease other than simply assuring them I ain't gonna let stuff like that happen.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2019 14:13:55 GMT -6
In lieu of going to an expensive camp at a college this year I wanted to have a lock in at our school. If any of you have done one, how did you get your admin on board with it liability wise? I've got the entire two day period planned out hour by hour but the principal is a little apprehensive: 1. She is new and this is all unfamiliar to her 2. We had a school in our county last year have one and they reported while a state mandated dead period was still in effect and they also had fight between players in the gym that was unsupervised by the coaches and tried to cover it up. Any body that has done one I would really like to hear the logistic of how you made it work so I can help put the admins mind at ease other than simply assuring them I ain't gonna let stuff like that happen. What benefit will the players gain from sleeping at school as opposed to just having a LONG day ( feeding the kids breakfast, lunch, dinner or some thing like that) with multiple practices over the day or two. I realize this isn't what you specifically asked for, but I am just playing devils advocate to help you strengthen your "why we should do it" argument to her.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 18, 2019 15:18:02 GMT -6
Every time I slept at school we had an absolute blast but I got about two hours sleep on a cafe table. So if you’re looking for team bonding it’s probably a great idea. If you’re looking to maximize their football learning then not so much. Lock some hallway doors at least to keep them semi-contained, if they have the whole run of the school it’ll be uncontrollable.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 18, 2019 16:35:35 GMT -6
Every time I slept at school we had an absolute blast but I got about two hours sleep on a cafe table. So if you’re looking for team bonding it’s probably a great idea. If you’re looking to maximize their football learning then not so much. Lock some hallway doors at least to keep them semi-contained, if they have the whole run of the school it’ll be uncontrollable.
This x 100.
I was at a school where we did it one during the summer. Had a lot of football related games, ate a lot of good food and the kids thought it was the greatest thing ever. Capture the flag into the wee hours, slip-n-slides on the field, just boys running around being boys. It even fun for the coaches. Kids had so much fun that we literally had a couple kids come out for football because they wanted to be a part of it.
We also hosted a 7 on 7 tournament and invited a couple of the other teams to throw out tents. The kids had a blast but they literally got 1-2 hours of sleep (if that). We'd always get our asses handed to us in the tournament. They'd always be great the first half the day but not worth shooting the second half. Still, it's something the kids really looked forward to every year.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Feb 18, 2019 17:27:12 GMT -6
We are considering something like this too, even going with the theme "Locked In" for the year to emphasize focus and commitment.
We'd practice until about 7:30 on Friday night, have our booster do a big feed/bbq, and then have an evening mixed with team building activities, games (ping pong, dodgeball, Madden, etc.), and more food.
Next morning we'd have breakfast sandwiches early, get our Saturday morning practice and cut them loose.
Very interested to hear other ideas on the concept.
Going into it recognizing there won't be much sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 17:43:00 GMT -6
Check out my blog. I wrote a piece about this several years ago.
Duece
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colt1
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Post by colt1 on Feb 18, 2019 20:46:09 GMT -6
The why is exactly what’s been mentioned it’s as much about team bonding as it is actual practice.
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Post by canesfan on Feb 18, 2019 21:25:17 GMT -6
We had our team camp at school. Kids brought air mattresses and we slept in the gym. Our kids preferred it to a college campus. With other sports we planned to be out of the gym during their practices but it really wasn’t a problem.
We have cameras in our school which helps liability wise and our kids only went into the school to eat or to watch practice film. They had one route they were allowed to go. There was zero reason for them to be there otherwise.
My advice is to make sure you have proper supervision. Obviously you want kids to have some space but you can’t just leave them in a gym and go ha g out with the coaches.
As for effort it was no worse than any other camp. We had events every night under the lights. 7 on 7 (including lineman 7 on 7), had a bonfire type thing we went and did, had a very light contact scrimmage with the winners getting ice cream and the losers got popsicles ( fast whistle).
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Post by 19delta on Feb 18, 2019 23:21:23 GMT -6
In lieu of going to an expensive camp at a college this year I wanted to have a lock in at our school. If any of you have done one, how did you get your admin on board with it liability wise? I've got the entire two day period planned out hour by hour but the principal is a little apprehensive: 1. She is new and this is all unfamiliar to her 2. We had a school in our county last year have one and they reported while a state mandated dead period was still in effect and they also had fight between players in the gym that was unsupervised by the coaches and tried to cover it up. Any body that has done one I would really like to hear the logistic of how you made it work so I can help put the admins mind at ease other than simply assuring them I ain't gonna let stuff like that happen. 1. Supervision should be provided by school employees, either certified staff or paid coaches. Don't rely on parents, community members, or volunteers. I would shoot for a ratio of around 1:15, maybe 1:20 (make it similar to class size). 2. I would be highly sensitive to players using the event to establish some kind of horrible "tradition" like holding down freshmen and jamming stuff up their butts. I would clearly define bullying and make sure that nothing like that will be tolerated.
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Post by colt1 on Feb 19, 2019 7:41:04 GMT -6
In lieu of going to an expensive camp at a college this year I wanted to have a lock in at our school. If any of you have done one, how did you get your admin on board with it liability wise? I've got the entire two day period planned out hour by hour but the principal is a little apprehensive: 1. She is new and this is all unfamiliar to her 2. We had a school in our county last year have one and they reported while a state mandated dead period was still in effect and they also had fight between players in the gym that was unsupervised by the coaches and tried to cover it up. Any body that has done one I would really like to hear the logistic of how you made it work so I can help put the admins mind at ease other than simply assuring them I ain't gonna let stuff like that happen. 1. Supervision should be provided by school employees, either certified staff or paid coaches. Don't rely on parents, community members, or volunteers. I would shoot for a ratio of around 1:15, maybe 1:20 (make it similar to class size). 2. I would be highly sensitive to players using the event to establish some kind of horrible "tradition" like holding down freshmen and jamming stuff up their butts. I would clearly define bullying and make sure that nothing like that will be tolerated. Absolutely I have tried to explain that. Our ratio would be 1:10-12ish no more than 1:14. All but 2 of the coaches are county employees. There will be no hazing. That will be explained day of the lock in if we get to do it.
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Post by huddlehut on Feb 19, 2019 9:28:29 GMT -6
This idea is not worth the time or trouble...
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Post by wiscohscoach on Feb 19, 2019 9:32:04 GMT -6
We do it but don't stay over night. Start it with practice at 3, finish at 5, keep the kids until 11 or midnight and send them home. Practice the next day around noon or so.
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Post by newhope on Feb 19, 2019 9:37:26 GMT -6
In lieu of going to an expensive camp at a college this year I wanted to have a lock in at our school. If any of you have done one, how did you get your admin on board with it liability wise? I've got the entire two day period planned out hour by hour but the principal is a little apprehensive: 1. She is new and this is all unfamiliar to her 2. We had a school in our county last year have one and they reported while a state mandated dead period was still in effect and they also had fight between players in the gym that was unsupervised by the coaches and tried to cover it up. Any body that has done one I would really like to hear the logistic of how you made it work so I can help put the admins mind at ease other than simply assuring them I ain't gonna let stuff like that happen. Haven't done it in years largely because the last one was a nightmare...and there are nightmare stories all over (friend told me of how his kids got into an area of the school with manekins and such and arranged them all into sexual positions in the halls) As for the logistics: we got cots that we had them sleep on in the cafeteria (which wasn't being used). We took them by bus to a local restaurant for meals. We would keep them at school every other night, which cut down on how long they were there, how many meals we had to furnish, and just getting too tired too fast. We took them to a local restaurant on the bus for breakfast, brought in subs or pizza for lunch, and took them to a local restaurant on the bus for dinner--or sometimes switched up the lunch and dinner. Coaches stayed over for supervision. I was awakened at 3 am with a kid bleeding and had to take him to the ER. Long story short, one kid gets mad at kid making noise, throws stick that supports cot. Stick hits wall, shatters, bounces back, hits another kid in his cot just above his eye. He and captain call my wife--scared. She convinces them they have to go tell me. No more lock ins.....plus just the pure grind of it was way too much. We can go to camp for $185 and I don't have all those logistical and nonsensical issues to deal with.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 19, 2019 21:59:54 GMT -6
In lieu of going to an expensive camp at a college this year I wanted to have a lock in at our school. If any of you have done one, how did you get your admin on board with it liability wise? I've got the entire two day period planned out hour by hour but the principal is a little apprehensive: 1. She is new and this is all unfamiliar to her 2. We had a school in our county last year have one and they reported while a state mandated dead period was still in effect and they also had fight between players in the gym that was unsupervised by the coaches and tried to cover it up. Any body that has done one I would really like to hear the logistic of how you made it work so I can help put the admins mind at ease other than simply assuring them I ain't gonna let stuff like that happen. Haven't done it in years largely because the last one was a nightmare...and there are nightmare stories all over (friend told me of how his kids got into an area of the school with manekins and such and arranged them all into sexual positions in the halls) As for the logistics: we got cots that we had them sleep on in the cafeteria (which wasn't being used). We took them by bus to a local restaurant for meals. We would keep them at school every other night, which cut down on how long they were there, how many meals we had to furnish, and just getting too tired too fast. We took them to a local restaurant on the bus for breakfast, brought in subs or pizza for lunch, and took them to a local restaurant on the bus for dinner--or sometimes switched up the lunch and dinner. Coaches stayed over for supervision. I was awakened at 3 am with a kid bleeding and had to take him to the ER. Long story short, one kid gets mad at kid making noise, throws stick that supports cot. Stick hits wall, shatters, bounces back, hits another kid in his cot just above his eye. He and captain call my wife--scared. She convinces them they have to go tell me. No more lock ins.....plus just the pure grind of it was way too much. We can go to camp for $185 and I don't have all those logistical and nonsensical issues to deal with. Just curious though, couldn't kids horseplaying in the dorms at camp result in the exact same type of incident?
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Post by newhope on Feb 20, 2019 7:45:27 GMT -6
Haven't done it in years largely because the last one was a nightmare...and there are nightmare stories all over (friend told me of how his kids got into an area of the school with manekins and such and arranged them all into sexual positions in the halls) As for the logistics: we got cots that we had them sleep on in the cafeteria (which wasn't being used). We took them by bus to a local restaurant for meals. We would keep them at school every other night, which cut down on how long they were there, how many meals we had to furnish, and just getting too tired too fast. We took them to a local restaurant on the bus for breakfast, brought in subs or pizza for lunch, and took them to a local restaurant on the bus for dinner--or sometimes switched up the lunch and dinner. Coaches stayed over for supervision. I was awakened at 3 am with a kid bleeding and had to take him to the ER. Long story short, one kid gets mad at kid making noise, throws stick that supports cot. Stick hits wall, shatters, bounces back, hits another kid in his cot just above his eye. He and captain call my wife--scared. She convinces them they have to go tell me. No more lock ins.....plus just the pure grind of it was way too much. We can go to camp for $185 and I don't have all those logistical and nonsensical issues to deal with. Just curious though, couldn't kids horseplaying in the dorms at camp result in the exact same type of incident? They could...but at camp they are in rooms of 2 or 4, not the whole crowd in one place. I've never had a major incident at team camp that I can recall, and have been going every year for the last 15 years or so.
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Post by Chief0934 on Feb 20, 2019 11:55:19 GMT -6
My opinion would be don't do it if the principal is being apprehensive. That sounds like a polite way of saying "no". If anything bad happens, she is not going to be very pleased and keeping a good relationship with your boss is good job security. My 2 cents.
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Post by dubber on Feb 20, 2019 13:49:16 GMT -6
We've done it about 15 years in row.....awesome time.
Our fieldhouse is separate from our school building, so we aren't worried about them wandering the halls.
Usually we play games until midnight and then let everyone plug in after that for Fortnite.
It is NOT a "get better at football thing".
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Post by 60zgo on Feb 20, 2019 18:19:05 GMT -6
Not exactly the same thing... But we have to play 2-3 Saturday games a year and it's hard for our kids to get to school when there is no school bus running. We always do a lock in when we have a Saturday game. Our kids enjoy it and it's always kind of fun. It's like anything else though. If you have everything else in your program squared away the kids should be able to handle it.
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