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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2019 9:32:53 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Feb 12, 2019 14:27:30 GMT -6
Yeah... I had to point this out to a thrower that went on to the D2 level. She had multiple "offers" from schools but only one was guaranteeing her a scholarship spot. She was holding out for "better offers" until I pointed out that those were just offers from schools, not actual scholarships.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2019 18:23:18 GMT -6
Some of the tactics mentioned in the article have led me to believe the system "should" switch to one with instantly binding acceptable offers managed by a clearinghouse. For example : Florida State really likes Joe Kane. They want to "offer him" a scholarship for the class of say 2022..they create an entry in the data base, To accept the offer, Joe Kane must do so through the data base. As soon as he does, boom.. binding. Should Joe Kane crap out and not be a great player, to bad. |
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2019 18:26:52 GMT -6
Some of the tactics mentioned in the article have led me to believe the system "should" switch to one with instantly binding acceptable offers managed by a clearinghouse. For example : Florida State really likes Joe Kane. They want to "offer him" a scholarship for the class of say 2022..they create an entry in the data base, To accept the offer, Joe Kane must do so through the data base. As soon as he does, boom.. binding. Should Joe Kane crap out and not be a great player, to bad. Yeah. I agree. That would make a lot of sense. The problem is that the college programs would never go for it. It is simple economics. There are way more kids who want scholarships than scholarships that are available. There really is no incentive for the colleges (or the NCAA, for that matter) to change the current business model. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 13, 2019 8:16:38 GMT -6
I get it to a certain degree, but actually both sides are playing the same game. Schools making more offers than they can actually give; players taking offers they have no intention of following through with.
The underhanded recruiting scheme I hate is not for the 3/4/5 stars, but the other kids that are so desperate to play at the next level and they recieve 'offers' to play and the scholly is only $500-$1000.
The kids walks in the first day excited and they go through registration and the burser says, "Okay here is your $1000 football scholly. Do you have a check for the other $24,000 (or more...)? No? Then go into that room right there and get on the computer and apply for a student loan."
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Post by fantom on Feb 13, 2019 8:40:05 GMT -6
What I took away from that story is that the kid's dream school offered him a schollie and he thought that it was "tacky" to take it. Then, before his signing was confirmed, he posted this on Christmas Eve? I'm not sure how sorry I feel for the guy.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 13, 2019 9:03:16 GMT -6
What I took away from that story is that the kid's dream school offered him a schollie and he thought that it was "tacky" to take it. Then, before his signing was confirmed, he posted this on Christmas Eve? I'm not sure how sorry I feel for the guy. Interesting. I did not get that idea at all. The way I read the story, the kid was operating under the impression that LSU had offered him a scholarship when in fact that was not the case. The kid did not understand that the initial "offer" he received from LSU was not official. I do think that kids and parents need to take the responsibility to be better educated. They can't trust that college coaches are going to be honest with them. |
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Post by gccwolverine on Feb 13, 2019 9:12:10 GMT -6
Some of the tactics mentioned in the article have led me to believe the system "should" switch to one with instantly binding acceptable offers managed by a clearinghouse. For example : Florida State really likes Joe Kane. They want to "offer him" a scholarship for the class of say 2022..they create an entry in the data base, To accept the offer, Joe Kane must do so through the data base. As soon as he does, boom.. binding. Should Joe Kane crap out and not be a great player, to bad. And FSU should only be allowed to extend say 300% of the available spots that they have in offers. So if you have 25 scholarship spots available in the 2020 recruiting class you can only have out 75 offers in the portal or database at any given time. If Joe Kane doesn't accept said offer then you can pull it and extend it to someone else if you wish or you can sit and wait but you only get to extend 75 and actually sign 25. |
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Post by gccwolverine on Feb 13, 2019 9:15:46 GMT -6
I get it to a certain degree, but actually both sides are playing the same game. Schools making more offers than they can actually give; players taking offers they have no intention of following through with. The underhanded recruiting scheme I hate is not for the 3/4/5 stars, but the other kids that are so desperate to play at the next level and they recieve 'offers' to play and the scholly is only $500-$1000. The kids walks in the first day excited and they go through registration and the burser says, "Okay here is your $1000 football scholly. Do you have a check for the other $24,000 (or more...)? No? Then go into that room right there and get on the computer and apply for a student loan." That doesn't happen. No one goes somewhere without knowing the full price tag. Now the general public might here scholly to podunk U and assume the kids on a free ride but the kid the coach and his parents have at some point in the process seen a full offer sheet showing exactly what they are responsible for out of pocket including loans. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 13, 2019 9:28:52 GMT -6
I think the school should be able to throw them out there as much as they want but they have to be honored if accepted. Once they are accepted, they should be binding for a full year and at the end of that year each party can decide to renew it or not.
As the process plays out if the school's needs change then it is their responsibility to communicate with the kid that his scholarship offer has been revoked because their need at his position was met by another athlete. If there's a rush of accepted offers the school has to honor them on a first come, first serve basis. If this was all going on within a computer system the program could automatically notify both sides that all scholarships had been allotted so any pending offers are null.
Schools shouldn't offer anyone they wouldn't sign. Kids shouldn't commit if they don't intend to attend. The problem is the product of both sides.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 13, 2019 9:37:40 GMT -6
I get it to a certain degree, but actually both sides are playing the same game. Schools making more offers than they can actually give; players taking offers they have no intention of following through with. The underhanded recruiting scheme I hate is not for the 3/4/5 stars, but the other kids that are so desperate to play at the next level and they recieve 'offers' to play and the scholly is only $500-$1000. The kids walks in the first day excited and they go through registration and the burser says, "Okay here is your $1000 football scholly. Do you have a check for the other $24,000 (or more...)? No? Then go into that room right there and get on the computer and apply for a student loan." That doesn't happen. No one goes somewhere without knowing the full price tag. Now the general public might here scholly to podunk U and assume the kids on a free ride but the kid the coach and his parents have at some point in the process seen a full offer sheet showing exactly what they are responsible for out of pocket including loans. It does. I don't mean to say the athlete doesn't have any culpability here, but there are some coaches in these schools that are leading kids along promising a scholly but being very vague about how much actual money is going to go towards their tuition. Lots of promises of ''if' you get a Pell grant, 'if' you get this aid and that aid, etc..... knowing full well all the kids are not going to get near the total amount. I've had former players get caught up in this. I know a coach that was on a staff that did this. |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 13, 2019 9:43:58 GMT -6
I think the school should be able to throw them out there as much as they want but they have to be honored if accepted. Once they are accepted, they should be binding for a full year and at the end of that year each party can decide to renew it or not. As the process plays out if the school's needs change then it is their responsibility to communicate with the kid that his scholarship offer has been revoked because their need at his position was met by another athlete. If there's a rush of accepted offers the school has to honor them on a first come, first serve basis. If this was all going on within a computer system the program could automatically notify both sides that all scholarships had been allotted so any pending offers are null. Schools shouldn't offer anyone they wouldn't sign. Kids shouldn't commit if they don't intend to attend. The problem is the product of both sides. I agree with this. This would force schools AND the kids going in to be committed and transparent. There's a lot of kids who game this system each year too. Hence why we see the stupid signing day crap where some 17 year old kid sits there in a three piece suit and the puts on one of three baseball caps. |
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Post by Colonel Perry on Feb 16, 2019 20:13:34 GMT -6
I always thought that once you signed your intent you were good to go. But signing on and having your deal null and void before you arrive on campus not related to character or grades makes no sense to me. If you sign on ahead of others you shouldn't be purged otherwise don't make any offers if you don't genuinely want that student-athlete on your team.
If the school's offensive coordinator offers and you accept on the spot then that definitely sounds authentic, like they want you aboard. But at least it's not the Kevin Hart kid who faked his offer to play at Cal years ago.
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