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Post by wiscohscoach on Jan 29, 2019 10:25:34 GMT -6
I post All-22 videos pretty much on the regular from the college game, but it's mainly to show why teams had success or post clips that can be teaching tools. I enjoy it and it seems as if others do regardless if they can ever use it or not.
I can see where it might get annoying, but there's a large audience that seems to want to learn about that stuff. Plus I've been afforded the opportunity to meet and engage with some coaches that I would have never been able to through social media. You get out of it what you want really.
But you won't catch me in a debate about one scheme or the other or attempting to sell my "system" for profit. That stuff does wear on me.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 29, 2019 10:36:46 GMT -6
Yeah the guys that irk me on there are the ones who spew out NFL and NCAA playbooks and video. I understand you've done tons of research and are good with video editing but have you ever called that stuff in a real game? Some of that stuff isn't even useful at the high school level. Again as someone said earlier it's an attention getter. You want to impress me show me what you did to win the district championship not how Saban runs his dime blitzes. Duece Those dudes are really annoying but they don't hold a candle to the ones that call for coaches to be fired and show a clear lack of understanding when it comes to how difficult it is to win at certain levels. I've seen coaches that should understand and appreciate the difficulty of winning championships show a complete lack of understanding on Twitter. It's like they forget they're a coach and turn into a dipsh!t armchair coach/fan once they log in to Twitter. I've also seen a coach or two tweet at and attack college kids on Twitter. I've seen a certain coach tweet directly at college coaches talking sh!t. The lack of professionalism is astounding.
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Post by olcoach53 on Jan 29, 2019 10:37:13 GMT -6
I agree it can get a little out of control but I enjoy Twitter a ton. I run the #hogfbchat and we usually have some pretty good open conversations with very little arguing or malicious content. I also don't take too much too seriously on twitter and try to keep things as light as possible while still being able to speak my mind.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Jan 29, 2019 10:41:29 GMT -6
Guys like jgordon1 are some of my favorite accounts. He'll post drills and clips that show technique. Things that are applicable! As a scheme nerd, I enjoy the Saban defensive clips.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 29, 2019 10:47:43 GMT -6
Twitter has replaced this site as the main place of interaction for me for a couple simple reasons:
1) It's easier to navigate on your phone 2) It's a lot easier to post cut-ups/video clips
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 10:57:45 GMT -6
I’ve posted stuff on twitter about Alabama defensive stuff. And yes my team runs some of it. I’ve made a lot of connections through it which is why I will continue to do it when I have time. I also know some people posting in this thread and others that are similar to this one that reach out to learn some of this stuff but then bash it here. I have no problem with the reaching out part as I think we all should if we want to learn something. I’ve been able to help people and have people help me through this site and twitter. That’s what it is about to me but now it seems like this site bashes people for doing so. And some coaches bash college and NFL coaches wanting them fired but it’s not okay to post something scheme related? I think it’s good to learn. I keep seeing on here you don’t need to do this or that bc we don’t see RPOs or teams good enough at RPOs. What happens when you do? I don’t think they are going anywhere. I think they will become more prevalent in HS. Anyway, I enjoy learning and talking about football and making connections that otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to make. If that’s wrong, oh well.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 29, 2019 11:11:34 GMT -6
If you think football Twitter is bad, don't look at political Twitter. I am convinced political twitter will be what they teach centuries from now as the root cause of our societies demise. I don't disagree.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 29, 2019 11:17:39 GMT -6
I’ve posted stuff on twitter about Alabama defensive stuff. And yes my team runs some of it. I’ve made a lot of connections through it which is why I will continue to do it when I have time. I also know some people posting in this thread and others that are similar to this one that reach out to learn some of this stuff but then bash it here. I have no problem with the reaching out part as I think we all should if we want to learn something. I’ve been able to help people and have people help me through this site and twitter. That’s what it is about to me but now it seems like this site bashes people for doing so. And some coaches bash college and NFL coaches wanting them fired but it’s not okay to post something scheme related? I think it’s good to learn. I keep seeing on here you don’t need to do this or that bc we don’t see RPOs or teams good enough at RPOs. What happens when you do? I don’t think they are going anywhere. I think they will become more prevalent in HS. Anyway, I enjoy learning and talking about football and making connections that otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to make. If that’s wrong, oh well. I don't think anybody's saying that at all if you use twitter to learn stuff, even stuff you woudn't use yourself but just to learn it because it's interesting, awesome man great for you if you use twitter to draw attention to yourself that's cool too I guess but kind of sad if you use twitter to build a tribal cult around certain ways of doing things and snicker at the unenlightened masses then that's also cool but you are a twitter tool, you probably are a tool in daily life too but on twitter more people see it so it's worse
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:38:56 GMT -6
I’ve posted stuff on twitter about Alabama defensive stuff. And yes my team runs some of it. I’ve made a lot of connections through it which is why I will continue to do it when I have time. I also know some people posting in this thread and others that are similar to this one that reach out to learn some of this stuff but then bash it here. I have no problem with the reaching out part as I think we all should if we want to learn something. I’ve been able to help people and have people help me through this site and twitter. That’s what it is about to me but now it seems like this site bashes people for doing so. And some coaches bash college and NFL coaches wanting them fired but it’s not okay to post something scheme related? I think it’s good to learn. I keep seeing on here you don’t need to do this or that bc we don’t see RPOs or teams good enough at RPOs. What happens when you do? I don’t think they are going anywhere. I think they will become more prevalent in HS. Anyway, I enjoy learning and talking about football and making connections that otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to make. If that’s wrong, oh well. I don't think anybody's saying that at all if you use twitter to learn stuff, even stuff you woudn't use yourself but just to learn it because it's interesting, awesome man great for you if you use twitter to draw attention to yourself that's cool too I guess but kind of sad if you use twitter to build a tribal cult around certain ways of doing things and snicker at the unenlightened masses then that's also cool but you are a twitter tool, you probably are a tool in daily life too but on twitter more people see it so it's worse I agree. I do have a problem with people who go to meet with coaches about quarters or something like that but then bash it here and say people can’t coach it. Just seems weird to me. Again, I think reaching out and learning are awesome. I don’t see a reason to bash it.
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Post by coachks on Jan 29, 2019 14:24:03 GMT -6
Its another great example of history repeating itself.
Twitter was/is great because it makes things so easy. Easy to upload videos, easy to reply... it's right on your phone, you can keep up with anything. Football twitter was great, you get some cool cutups and share ideas. Impromptu conversations with multiple coaches.
But, like everything else, people figured out you can make money off of it and now it's gone to {censored}. No different then blogs or facebook or whatever other internet fad boomed and is now firmly on the decline. It used to be great content -> gain popularity -> gain money. People get a sniff of the money and the cycle becomes mass content = perfect monetization strategy -> repeat.
This is different then saying making money is bad. There are lots of good football books (including @jordon1 ). I have no problem with people making money off football (clinics, books, tapes ect). I have a much bigger issue with "branding" your garbage and then using a bunch of manipulative monetization tactics to gain a cult like following and essentially nuking the place with snake-oil bombs.
Especially when you aren't even a coach (LeCharles Bentley) and have never actually had to teach what you preach in an actual organized team structure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 15:24:24 GMT -6
The reaching out part is what's good about Twitter. I don't ever join any of the chat sessions, but there is some very good knowledge in there, and it's much much better info. for HS coaches to relate to b/c that's who's doing the talking. The spewing of Saban, and Kelly and Malzahn's schemes like you have just found some secret nuclear decoder ring is the stuff that turns me off. I'm not sure some of those guys can honestly say they've called that stuff in an actual ball game. I want to talk to guys who have the 180 lb DE and are trying to coach him up on block down step down, not read how Saban gets a 5 tech to drop into the post hole on some zone blitz I'm never going to run.
Twitter is like anything else, you can filter it and remove bad content if you want, or you can read it and move on. Being a former psych major, I like reading people, and reacting to how they react, so being over the top on there doesn't bother me. Neither does being political, again if you don't want to read it, keep scrolling. If I want to post it, I'll post it. However, I want the football stuff that I talk about to be "real", or in other words stuff I've done or seen done, or cliniced on etc. I don't think it takes a true genius to copy and paste a playbook and manipulate some video editing software and put it out there. The true genius is the guy that takes that stuff, dumbs it down so his 10th grade MLB can run a watered down version of it. Show me that guy...I'll talk to him all day. And if Twitter is what makes that connection, then I'd say it's a pretty good platform then. Again, all in how you use it.
Lately, I've been using it to answer email I get for my blog account and have had very positive feedback on it. I get a large amount of emails and you know what they say about when somebody has a question, then usually others have a question. So I started sharing on there to get the questions and answers out to other coaches so they can see the responses. I've also reached out to several good coaches on there. I highly recommend following Coach Hoover, Coach Vass, JGordon, Cody Alexander and Blitzology. They all have very good ideas and have all coaches at various levels. Three of those guys I have exclusively bent their ears on multiple occasions and they've given me everything they had and then some.
Duece
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Post by wingtol on Jan 29, 2019 16:49:31 GMT -6
Offensive Line Performance, a company run by LeCharles Bently all about OL. It's pretty good stuff very technical and built on lots of science/kenisology type stuff. There are some guys who have taken what they teach as gospel and are basically shamming people who don't do it this way.
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Post by TheOlBallCoach on Jan 30, 2019 10:56:41 GMT -6
The reaching out part is what's good about Twitter. I don't ever join any of the chat sessions, but there is some very good knowledge in there, and it's much much better info. for HS coaches to relate to b/c that's who's doing the talking. The spewing of Saban, and Kelly and Malzahn's schemes like you have just found some secret nuclear decoder ring is the stuff that turns me off. I'm not sure some of those guys can honestly say they've called that stuff in an actual ball game. I want to talk to guys who have the 180 lb DE and are trying to coach him up on block down step down, not read how Saban gets a 5 tech to drop into the post hole on some zone blitz I'm never going to run. Twitter is like anything else, you can filter it and remove bad content if you want, or you can read it and move on. Being a former psych major, I like reading people, and reacting to how they react, so being over the top on there doesn't bother me. Neither does being political, again if you don't want to read it, keep scrolling. If I want to post it, I'll post it. However, I want the football stuff that I talk about to be "real", or in other words stuff I've done or seen done, or cliniced on etc. I don't think it takes a true genius to copy and paste a playbook and manipulate some video editing software and put it out there. The true genius is the guy that takes that stuff, dumbs it down so his 10th grade MLB can run a watered down version of it. Show me that guy...I'll talk to him all day. And if Twitter is what makes that connection, then I'd say it's a pretty good platform then. Again, all in how you use it. Lately, I've been using it to answer email I get for my blog account and have had very positive feedback on it. I get a large amount of emails and you know what they say about when somebody has a question, then usually others have a question. So I started sharing on there to get the questions and answers out to other coaches so they can see the responses. I've also reached out to several good coaches on there. I highly recommend following Coach Hoover, Coach Vass, JGordon, Cody Alexander and Blitzology. They all have very good ideas and have all coaches at various levels. Three of those guys I have exclusively bent their ears on multiple occasions and they've given me everything they had and then some. Duece HS is definitely different than those guys. KISS in my opinion
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Post by coachcb on Jan 30, 2019 11:42:34 GMT -6
I follow a few football coaching pages on Facebook and I'm generally disappointed by them. They'll spit out a good pieces of information every once in awhile but it's generally just a lot of "inspirational" rants and links to football scoop, Xs and Os Labs, and other AFCA blogs that I already look at. The majority of what's posted relates solely to "spread offenses". One page posted five iterations of how to use an H-back in a "spread offense" in three days; every link had the same information.
And, there's just no point in even having a discussion about anything as I seriously doubt most of the guys on those pages are actually coaches. People comment on the links, it turns into a chalkboard war for a bit and then broils into a keyboard duel; waste of time.
I will say this; one page posts old-school videos of drills that I have a hard time finding anywhere else and that's golden. The page had a five minute long video of a 90's Nebraska OL group working on their IZ steps and combos I couldn't find it anywhere else and it's awesome.
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 30, 2019 11:51:56 GMT -6
I follow a few football coaching pages on Facebook and I'm generally disappointed by them. They'll spit out a good piece of information every once in awhile but it's generally just a lot of "inspirational" rants and links to football scoop, Xs and Os Labs, and other AFCA blogs that I already look at. The majority of what's posted relates solely to "spread offenses". One page posted five iterations of how to use an H-back in a "spread offense" in three days; every link had the same information. And, there's just no point in even having a discussion about anything as I seriously doubt most of the guys on those pages are actually coaches. People comment on the links, it turns into a chalkboard war for a bit and then broils into a keyboard duel; waste of time. I will say this; one page posts old-school videos of drills that I have a hard time finding anywhere else and that's golden. The page had a five minute long video of a 90's Nebraska OL group working on their IZ steps and combos I couldn't find it anywhere else and it's awesome. Coachcb, what page had the 90s Nebraska stuff?
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Post by coachcb on Jan 30, 2019 12:14:12 GMT -6
I follow a few football coaching pages on Facebook and I'm generally disappointed by them. They'll spit out a good piece of information every once in awhile but it's generally just a lot of "inspirational" rants and links to football scoop, Xs and Os Labs, and other AFCA blogs that I already look at. The majority of what's posted relates solely to "spread offenses". One page posted five iterations of how to use an H-back in a "spread offense" in three days; every link had the same information. And, there's just no point in even having a discussion about anything as I seriously doubt most of the guys on those pages are actually coaches. People comment on the links, it turns into a chalkboard war for a bit and then broils into a keyboard duel; waste of time. I will say this; one page posts old-school videos of drills that I have a hard time finding anywhere else and that's golden. The page had a five minute long video of a 90's Nebraska OL group working on their IZ steps and combos I couldn't find it anywhere else and it's awesome. Coachcb, what page had the 90s Nebraska stuff? I'll have to pull up my FB account at the end of the day: I follow a couple of pages and I can't remember which one it was.
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Post by poundtherock1 on Jan 30, 2019 12:47:06 GMT -6
I used to love it, but I went purged who I was following pretty heavily about 6 months ago. Some stuff still pops up and I typically just fly past it.
My least favorite part of coaching twitter, and I have not seen this mentioned here yet, is when the Chiefs, Rams, Oklahoma, whoever, runs a pretty cool concept, they immediately jump in and say "we ran this back in '14 with a lot of success".
Sweet dude. Want a cookie?
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Post by TheOlBallCoach on Jan 30, 2019 13:56:42 GMT -6
I used to love it, but I went purged who I was following pretty heavily about 6 months ago. Some stuff still pops up and I typically just fly past it. My least favorite part of coaching twitter, and I have not seen this mentioned here yet, is when the Chiefs, Rams, Oklahoma, whoever, runs a pretty cool concept, they immediately jump in and say "we ran this back in '14 with a lot of success". Sweet dude. Want a cookie? Nothing new in football
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Post by coachcb on Jan 31, 2019 8:11:21 GMT -6
I follow a few football coaching pages on Facebook and I'm generally disappointed by them. They'll spit out a good piece of information every once in awhile but it's generally just a lot of "inspirational" rants and links to football scoop, Xs and Os Labs, and other AFCA blogs that I already look at. The majority of what's posted relates solely to "spread offenses". One page posted five iterations of how to use an H-back in a "spread offense" in three days; every link had the same information. And, there's just no point in even having a discussion about anything as I seriously doubt most of the guys on those pages are actually coaches. People comment on the links, it turns into a chalkboard war for a bit and then broils into a keyboard duel; waste of time. I will say this; one page posts old-school videos of drills that I have a hard time finding anywhere else and that's golden. The page had a five minute long video of a 90's Nebraska OL group working on their IZ steps and combos I couldn't find it anywhere else and it's awesome. Coachcb, what page had the 90s Nebraska stuff? Coach Chudada's page on FB
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 31, 2019 11:13:02 GMT -6
Coachcb, what page had the 90s Nebraska stuff? Coach Chudada's page on FB Thanks coach!
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Post by coachcb on Jan 31, 2019 11:25:11 GMT -6
@nc1974
No problem!
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 31, 2019 11:30:23 GMT -6
I love Twitter. It has revolutionized the way I interact with coaches and guys that breakdown film/write for a living. I just wish you could "file" your Tweets into a certain category and others could pick which category of tweets show up in their timeline. I like following coaches, but I DGAF how their girls basketball team did in their game, when their ACT prep class is or how awesome their wife is for running a 5K. I do however understand the need to promote things, spread propaganda, etc. I just wish their was a way to filter who gets it and what we see on our timelines.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 31, 2019 12:48:11 GMT -6
I love Twitter. It has revolutionized the way I interact with coaches and guys that breakdown film/write for a living. I just wish you could "file" your Tweets into a certain category and others could pick which category of tweets show up in their timeline. I like following coaches, but I DGAF how their girls basketball team did in their game, when their ACT prep class is or how awesome their wife is for running a 5K. I do however understand the need to promote things, spread propaganda, etc. I just wish their was a way to filter who gets it and what we see on our timelines. right ..... I keep separate Twitter accounts for that reason....I won't follow someone that posts a lot like you write above
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Post by coachcb on Jan 31, 2019 13:01:44 GMT -6
I love Twitter. It has revolutionized the way I interact with coaches and guys that breakdown film/write for a living. I just wish you could "file" your Tweets into a certain category and others could pick which category of tweets show up in their timeline. I like following coaches, but I DGAF how their girls basketball team did in their game, when their ACT prep class is or how awesome their wife is for running a 5K. I do however understand the need to promote things, spread propaganda, etc. I just wish their was a way to filter who gets it and what we see on our timelines. This is why I like Facebook: I can block the page from popping up and can just visit it when I want some information.
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Post by Colonel Perry on Feb 16, 2019 17:35:45 GMT -6
Everyone has ideas theories and concepts. If I can get something out a concept and I can apply it to what I'm trying to accomplish, I'm good to go. But shaming folks outside of unsafe practices, is not the business. If you weren't in the room with Knute Rockne, Amos Alonzo Stagg or Pop Warner, then it came from someone other than yourself.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 16, 2019 23:07:00 GMT -6
Fun time killer: look up twitter guru's win/lost record on maxpreps if you're lucky enough that he's a head coach.
I know wins and losses don't define everything about coaching HS football but if you obnoxiously have all the answers online one would think you could win a few games.
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Post by 60zgo on Feb 17, 2019 10:23:27 GMT -6
Am I the only person who has really soured on the experience of coaching Twitter? It could be and should be such an amazing tool for growth, discussion, sharing-finding-implementing new ideas, drills or scheme, and empowering each other as coaches. However, to me it has turned into: 1. an ego fest nightmare of guru snake oil salesman coaches looking to push their most recent “book” “system” or “newest innovative idea” 2. a place where people flock to look for as many likes and retweets as possible 3. an increasing and alarming trend of group think where individuals push the idea that there is only 1 way to do things anymore and only 1 way the game should be played (the most tilting and newest aspect is the increasing number of individuals who appear to think there’s only 1 way offensive football should be played because that’s the "safest" way football can be played – as if you can’t do other things outside of this group think and still stress player safety or care about player safety). It’s gotten so that individuals that I once really loved and enjoyed to follow because I felt like they brought a wealth of new information I just don’t enjoy following anymore for a variety of reasons. And I'm reluctant to engage in any sort of conversation or discussion because if you don't follow the group think then you're some terrible coach out to harm his players. Just the other day I saw an OL coach share an unpadded offseason drill that I thought was actually a pretty decent drill that made me think hmm that could be useful for us – first comment I saw was another coach flaming him for the things that were wrong with the drill because the athletes head was slightly forward (as a result that coach clearly doesn't care about athlete safety) and the athlete wasn’t driving off the midfoot. And as predicted the group thinkers joined the party quickly. How can any individual grow in that instance? Or why would they feel comfortable in sharing ideas and having discussions about what they do if they are just going to get flamed instantaneously? We’ve all seen the guys post vidoes of their athletes doing cringe worthy things in the weight room. I’ve only ever seen comments and retweets criticizing the coach and athlete I’ve rarely see comments of “coach if you stress this or change this or give the athlete this que you might see an improvement here in this regard.” It must just be so that it’s easier to criticize and tear down as opposed to share in an effort to improve. My biggest pet peeves are the group think of new age avant-garde OL guys who act as though all of a sudden they have developed the only safe way to play offensive football. That their offensive lineman or athletes never ever experience any incidental helmet contact because they have developed the superior technique and no other drills, ways, ideas are meaningful, useful, or worthy of being considered. That their athletes are capable of perfectly executing this new era “safe technique” on every snap of a game therefore eliminating risk for their athletes and as a result making them the most superior of superior coaches to ever grace the game of football with their being and as a result we should all be so thankful that they are willing to engage with the rest of us minions. IDK it just seems that coaching twitter has run its course for me and resulted in me engaging less and less these days as a result for all of the above reasons. And no I'm not a grumpy old man get off my lawn type. I'm 29 years old. You can rid yourself from a lot of pain by not following any OLP fanboys. Start there and twitter gets better.
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