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Post by Old Pro on Jan 28, 2019 22:05:10 GMT -6
Some stories from local high schools. One kid had a "signing ceremony" to announce where he was "taking his talents". He was 6'3" or 6'4" and 275 plus. Not solid but not soft either. Only thing was he was in a 3A school that had only won 4-5 games the precvous three years and he never lettersed In fact didn't fen play his senior year. His dad, who claimed Oregon and Alabama were recruiting his kid, played with the head coach at a prominent Juco that he was "signing" with. Kid had to borrow a helmet for the table from the coach who knew nothing about the ceremony and didn't attend. He even pulled a school hat out of a bag at the big moment. Even had the local media on hand for the big event. Kid lastd ONE practice before coming home.
Same school last year, had a 6'5" 315 kid off a 3-6 team who didn't even make all league. Had a ceremony to announce the local DII school, which is pretty good, was "signing" him. Did I mention dad is a booster willing to throw his $$$$ around to get his kids what they want.
Had a kid at another school sign at local college for wrestling. The kid never went to state, had a losing record each year of HS, and was only a part time starter as a senior. He didn't even finish his first semester at college Last I heard he was taking "time off " to decide what he wanted to do....
This is the kind of crap and parenting that makes real kids look insignificant when they truly do something and get offers.
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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2019 12:08:56 GMT -6
We once had a very high profile kid commit to a very high profile college. On signing day, with the media on hand, he announced that he was decommitting. The HC called him in to ask why, didn't like what he heard, and called the NCAA to find out what this could mean (Just to get info to protect the kid, not to report). The kid then signed with School B.
The NCAA investigated. What seems to have happened was that a booster had tried to steer the player to School B, including paying for him to attend Plan B's camp and taking him to School B's games. The booster's motive seems to have been to get a package deal with Great Player and the booster's nephew, a 5'11" 210 lb mediocre OL.
Great Player finally attended School B but was ruled ineligible for his first year but he did finish school t Booster was banned from any involvement with School B. It took a while before School B recruit any of our kids.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 29, 2019 14:12:12 GMT -6
I think there is nothing wrong with kids doing a ceremony for a D3 school. As a former D3 guy, I'm biased, but we only carried about 90. I mean why is it a problem for celebrating an athletes success? The problem is kids don't do their research.. School's have rosters posted, if they have 80 guys who don't have a number next to their name on the website, that's on the kid for not realizing there's 190 on a team.
I've got some buddies who coach at that level and they say they don't always have time to contact a high school coach with how many kids that they are told they have to recruit. If a staff of 5 guys has to bring in 100 freshmen, they need to recruit probably 400-500 kids. Some won't be great, but they sure can't contact every coach, which leads to some of the stuff that has been said. I can imagine with the influx of Hudl, they don't need to ask for film, because they can just google it and see the kids tape.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 29, 2019 14:25:49 GMT -6
I happened to be at the signing day for this school last spring (my first year here) and we had a basketball kid signing. Had to google the school and it's an NAIA in new jersey. Our basketball team wasn't very good, saw them play a few times and couldn't remember any standouts, so i lean over to the hoops coach and ask about it. Turns out this kid came off the bench for a very bad high school basketball team, coach had no idea he was signing until that morning. Coach was convinced that the parents put the thing together just to spite him for not starting their son, so it looks like he had a college basketball player on the team and didn't start him..........I wouldn't believe that was true years ago but now I know better
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Post by 19delta on Jan 29, 2019 15:26:55 GMT -6
I was "recruited" pretty aggressively by two D3 schools, one of which I attended. But, in regards to both schools, I would venture to say that the reasons they wanted me was mostly because I had an above-average ACT score, graduated from one of the top high schools in the Chicago suburbs, and came from a solid, middle class family that could pay the tuition.
I did end up being a 3-year starter and had a half-tuition scholarship for all four years. I graduated owing less than $20,000 and only paid about $3,000/year out-of-pocket for each of my four years there (1992-1996). I did a three-year hitch in the US Army and that paid off my remaining debt.
But I did not have any "signing ceremony". At graduation, the program simply listed what school I was attending and that I would be playing football.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 29, 2019 15:41:15 GMT -6
Do you guys remember Kevin Hart, the kid who lied about being recruited? I think it was 2008. His high school had a school wide assembly, news crews were there. He did the whole hat thing. Turned out he made the whole thing up. How his high school coach, AD, or principal didn't catch the lie before it snowballed is beyond me. Not that Kevin Hart. I remember that. Crazy. The thing about that story is that it was plausible, at least on the surface. Hart was a really good high school player. I want to say that he was like 6-5 and about 300lbs...made All-State in Nevada, IIRC. Problem was academics. I think he was barely eligible and didn't even bother taking the ACT or SAT. With that being said, it was shocking that it got as far as it did. How no one, from the head coach to the school administration, unraveled the deception before hosting a televised signing ceremony is almost beyond belief. I guess that everyone involved just wanted so badly for the story to be true. Hart did end up playing college ball, I think maybe D2. The kid was pretty talented.
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Post by somecoach on Jan 29, 2019 22:54:42 GMT -6
*The names have been changed to protect the innocent
We had a player who was committed to school A.
School A was a local “lower tier” Div 1 FBS school
School A’s head coach was delighted to have the player and after signing him, personally came to a home game
The day before the last dead period the head coach from school B flew across the country to meet with our player and convince him to de-commit to school A and come to school B
School B is one of the most prestigious colleges in the country and would 6/6 prestige stars in NCAA football 14 if you catch my drift...
The player signed with school B
Coach from school A personally called us up and said he would recruit another player ever again.
Coach from school A was fired the next season.
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Post by Colonel Perry on Jan 29, 2019 23:58:58 GMT -6
I'm really not the type to downplay D3 programs simply because I was around Mount Union as a kid and I witnessed how good a program can be with the resources and solid coaching regardless of the level. But making public spectacles of signing grants in aid can be a huge stretch.
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Post by Colonel Perry on Jan 30, 2019 0:02:57 GMT -6
Do you guys remember Kevin Hart, the kid who lied about being recruited? I think it was 2008. His high school had a school wide assembly, news crews were there. He did the whole hat thing. Turned out he made the whole thing up. How his high school coach, AD, or principal didn't catch the lie before it snowballed is beyond me. Not that Kevin Hart. I remember that. Crazy. The thing about that story is that it was plausible, at least on the surface. Hart was a really good high school player. I want to say that he was like 6-5 and about 300lbs...made All-State in Nevada, IIRC. Problem was academics. I think he was barely eligible and didn't even bother taking the ACT or SAT. With that being said, it was shocking that it got as far as it did. How no one, from the head coach to the school administration, unraveled the deception before hosting a televised signing ceremony is almost beyond belief. I guess that everyone involved just wanted so badly for the story to be true. Hart did end up playing college ball, I think maybe D2. The kid was pretty talented. Saw that story on YouTube not too long ago and I'm still in shock how a kid pulled that off before social media was a strong tool!!!
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