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Post by fantom on Jan 17, 2019 11:00:08 GMT -6
The thread about the offseason got me wondering whether anybody gets paid extra for off-season work (7-on-7, weights. agilities, camps, etc.). I'm mainly interested in after/before school activities. If your teaching job includes an athletic program or athletic weight training that wouldn't count unless you give up a planning period or have a zero hour to do it.
I'm retired now but when I coached, our $1988 football stipend covered everything.
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Post by fantom on Jan 17, 2019 11:13:01 GMT -6
Did not get paid for anything outside of competitive season except for summer camp. Also did not get paid extra for making playoffs-more weeks of work. We did get extra pay for the playoffs. It came in a separate supplemental check. One HC that I worked for had one hard and fast rule: The only thing that would definitely get you fired was telling his wife about that supplemental check.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 17, 2019 11:15:54 GMT -6
It varies a ton down here I have worked summers for nothing (covered in stipend) and gotten paid pretty well my current gig we have the option to sign up for one of two 2 hour sessions to run the summer strength and conditioning program, pay depends on however many kids sign up and pay for the program but it's pretty nice here, about 75 bucks a session so you can conceivably make 150 a day if you want to work that much
we get nothing for 7on7 since because we aren't technically supposed to be coaching it at all (we all do) , not that they would pay us anyway, everybody wants the rule changed so that we can coach 7 on 7 outright but I"m not a fan of the idea, district would have no incentive to pay us for our time when we've already been doing it for free.
So then the dudes come out of the woodwork with the whole "it's about the kids" thing which is true but bills still need to be paid and MasterCard doesn't take noble intentions to cover those late fees, not to mention the fact that working for free is a smack in the face to all of us. It's not that I want to be paid for the couple hours of my time in the summer, I want to be paid for my time in the summer along with the years of experience I bring with it. People might not want to treat us as such but we are experts in a particular field, experts normally get paid for their expertise, not guilted into giving it away for free
tell the school district next time they want to bring in some pedagogy genius to give a big talk about teacher bs to just not pay them, tell them they should do it for free because they love kids and see how far they get
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 17, 2019 12:48:57 GMT -6
No extra pay for us (Delaware public school). We get our stipend and that's it. Now I'm NOT sure if that is a blanket rule, but that is the norm. I know my pay is "stepped" every year of experience, but I received $0 incentive/bonus for winning 3 straight state championships...although I haven't paid for a beer in town since 2015!
I look at it as my stipend is for my total attention to the program. I'm in charge of the success of it, so if I need to work 12mo a year then that's what we do.
Luckily, I have a great staff full of "dads"- we all have kids, and some of us coach multiple sports, so we work together to divvy the load as needed. I schedule our in-season around our families too- nothing happens on Saturday unless we have a game to allow us to see our kids play sports or spend time with the fam, and Sunday "meetings" are typically done through phone/text correspondence. We're pretty tight-knit so often we get our families together to watch NFL or college games.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 17, 2019 12:57:26 GMT -6
I've gotten separate stipends for opening the weight room outside of school hours but that's it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 17, 2019 15:10:57 GMT -6
Did not get paid for anything outside of competitive season except for summer camp. Also did not get paid extra for making playoffs-more weeks of work. We did get extra pay for the playoffs. It came in a separate supplemental check. One HC that I worked for had one hard and fast rule: The only thing that would definitely get you fired was telling his wife about that supplemental check. paper check, not direct deposit, and put it my hand
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Post by agap on Jan 17, 2019 15:47:35 GMT -6
I know of some districts that pay coaches to work at camps or help in the weight room. Personally I do not get any money.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 17, 2019 16:35:52 GMT -6
If things pan out this will be the first summer I have ever been paid to coach... 16 years
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Post by CanyonCoach on Jan 17, 2019 17:35:12 GMT -6
There is an hourly pay for our middle school weight room and to cover if the strength coach is gone.
We used to run everything with no pay until we got a school board member to support the weight program.
We get about $100 in gear for running the summer camp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:37:05 GMT -6
I've never gotten paid extra for it. It would be nice.
I have coached at places where the coordinators and/or HC would get 11 month teaching contracts vs. 10 months to bump their pay. The rationale was that they were getting paid for all the extra work.
At one school they would have paid each coach on staff a bonus for each playoff game we won, which would have increased the farther we went. Unfortunately, I was only there a year and we got knocked out in the 1st round.
I have a friend who got a stipend for running the weight room and another for football at his school.
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Post by MICoach on Jan 18, 2019 7:15:46 GMT -6
We're all over the place...
Stipend is for in-season coaching
We get an hourly rate for working camps in the summer
HC elects not to pay us for the middle school camp - like 3 afternoons - and uses that money to cover our gear for the year (shoes, shorts, shirts, jacket, game polos, hats). The math works out in our favor on that one so nobody complains.
I think coordinators have some added responsibilities in their contracts to cover things like 7-on-7, and as such they get paid a little more. Anyone else who goes is volunteering (I go to the home ones because I live right by the school and it's summer so why not).
Strength and conditioning program in the summer is a separate paycheck, in the past one of the coordinators will do that with the HC, school-wide strength coach, and one or two coaches from other sports. They don't get paid much but it's something.
So we get paid for most stuff. Far better than being a volunteer wrestling coach.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 18, 2019 8:36:04 GMT -6
One weight room stipend for winter, spring, and summer. This position is usually held by a football coach. There is no $$$(for anyone) for summertime activities(7on7 tournaments, workouts, etc). I am old school; I attend everything because I was taught and believe that all these activities are part of the job.
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Post by PSS on Jan 18, 2019 8:36:20 GMT -6
The thread about the offseason got me wondering whether anybody gets paid extra for off-season work (7-on-7, weights. agilities, camps, etc.). I'm mainly interested in after/before school activities. If your teaching job includes an athletic program or athletic weight training that wouldn't count unless you give up a planning period or have a zero hour to do it. I'm retired now but when I coached, our $1988 football stipend covered everything. We get a stipend for every sport. Every assistant in football coaches at least 2 if not 3 sports. Because we have athletic periods in Texas, most of the weight workouts are during the period in the Spring. All FB players not playing football will do the track workout starting in January. Baseball also does the track workout. The Summer workouts (SAC-strength and conditioning) is for every sport. The UIL (governing body for public schools) just changed the number of weeks we can have it. 7 on 7 can only be coached by someone outside of the school. For SAC, coaches get paid $20/hour. Everywhere I've coached also pays days for pre-season planning and workouts. 10-20 days at your daily rate.
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Post by coachfrigo on Jan 18, 2019 17:08:42 GMT -6
I get paid a stipend for all activities and one for weight room/ summer school. But it not worth time and effort and not even close. The minute that is at issue, it won't happen, I am out of the game.
Forgive-please correct me (with a link) if I am wrong, but it seems every post you have made on here has been negative about your fellow coaches, the profession in general, and kids.
If I may ask - why did you get into coaching in the first place?
And if you find it so bad - "lazy" coaches, "lazy" kids, "not worth the time and effort..." -
Why do you stay with it?
Can't speak for him, but I'll never blame someone for saying that work without pay isn't worth it.
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Post by jml on Jan 19, 2019 0:47:01 GMT -6
In Michigan we got nothing at any of the schools I was at, in Alabama we got $1000 for spring football and $1000 for summer football if you could document 100 hours in the summer. That was easy for all coaches.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 19, 2019 7:36:37 GMT -6
Our head coach gets a weight lifting supplement. I have no clue how much it is. He gave me a $1000 of it because I am in the weight room after school everyday and at summer weights everyday. I think he uses part of it to pay a lower level coach as well so it’s at least $2000 but could be more. He works his asss off so hopefully he is keeping part of it.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 19, 2019 8:42:46 GMT -6
Our head coach gets a weight lifting supplement. I have clue how much it is. He gave me a $1000 of it because I am in the weight room after school everyday and at summer weights everyday. I think he uses part of it to pay a lower level coach as well so it’s at least $2000 but could be more. He works his asss off so hopefully he is keeping part of it. I know of a couple people who $10k, 2 who have been offered more than that. That’s a lot of money. I think it’s well deserved when coaches make that kind of money. I am like most, I think, I will take and appreciate the pay but I also love being part of it so will work for free too.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 19, 2019 9:01:00 GMT -6
That’s a lot of money. I think it’s well deserved when coaches make that kind of money. I am like most, I think, I will take and appreciate the pay but I also love being part of it so will work for free too. every dime you can get is well deserved. Every one of those gentlemen will work tirelessly doing all sorts of task 40 hrs a week in off season? None of those have worked 40 hrs ever. More like 70-80 at min. Yes and even beyond that when you see the results and you dozens of young people see tremendous changes in physical appearance and ability the money is well spent. We get 40+ kids in off season workouts. Most of them make huge gains. Bigger programs are getting close to 100 kids. I think a 10,000 dollar investment to grow kids physically (mentally and emotionally) is well worth it for a community. I have to believe if a random sales person or guru approached school officials and said for 10k we can guarantee we can make a good number of your kids healthier and happier, schools would listen. Every school I have been in had had random obsolete weight room equipment that had not had nearly the benefit of a good coach but costs thousands of dollars.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 19, 2019 9:13:29 GMT -6
Yes and even beyond that when you see the results and you dozens of young people see tremendous changes in physical appearance and ability the money is well spent. We get 40+ kids in off season workouts. Most of them make huge gains. Bigger programs are getting close to 100 kids. I think a 10,000 dollar investment to grow kids physically (mentally and emotionally) is well worth it for a community. I have to believe if a random sales person or guru approached school officials and said for 10k we can guarantee we can make a good number of your kids healthier and happier, schools would listen. Every school I have been in had had random obsolete weight room equipment that had not had nearly the benefit of a good coach but costs thousands of dollars. None of it is tax dollars. Its all private dollars. It is whales certain schools, jobs special. It is what makes de lasalle, certain programs in Texas, ga, Fla, and other schools special. One school actually has a list of kids they are recruiting, 7, 8 9th graders. Yeah, that’s a whole different ball game than I am in. I am at a school now where recruiting isn’t an issue, especially with preteens. It doesn’t matter how much the off-season pays I am not recruiting kids, especially ones that still have their birthday parties at Chuck E. Cheese.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 19, 2019 9:22:59 GMT -6
Yeah, that’s a whole different ball game than I am in. I am at a school now where recruiting isn’t an issue, especially with preteens. It doesn’t matter how much the off-season pays I am not recruiting kids, especially ones that still have their birthday parties at Chuck E. Cheese. In some of these places you have to. They are paying 6 figures, and you don't teach, and you better be deep in playoffs every year. I get it. Just not my cup of tea.
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 19, 2019 10:00:28 GMT -6
I am retired and at the school I'm now the head at I don't getting any off season $ at all. I did at the school I came from before retiring. I go up to school for weights 2-4 times per week-usually 3. I will coach track in spring because it will help with the kids "training" for Football plus I like a change of pace sport to football and I enjoy most of it. Plus it will pay some. There is no longevity or post season pay at this school. Those are things I'm encouraging them to have. We have coaches who are PE teachers who have to coach 1 sport who look for the one that will be done earliest and head coaches who think similiarly. Post season and longevity would help that. Only a few care if they "develop" a good program because since almost every team loses there isn't any pressure at all to do well. I enjoy coaching so I'm not sure I'd totally coach for free but lack of $ won't keep me away. With that in mind, when I run the weights, they will do it MY way, especially in the summer.
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