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Post by bigmoot on Jan 10, 2019 10:28:45 GMT -6
Its a sign of getting old..."These kids today..." I guess if you're complaining about young coaches, you're no longer one. Well, that's true. I was actually just commenting on the "sudden influx" thing. However, now that you mention it, I'm not as concerned about young coaches with huge egos. I'm concerned about young coaches who don't want to do any actual WORK, who think coaching is calling plays. Almost any coach out there will tell you it's hard to find young coaches who actually want to do the hard work or put in the time. I'm lucky. I have some great young coaches--but they are harder to find than ever before. Most of the ones I do have don't teach--because finding a young teacher who wants to coach and do the work and put in the time is almost impossible. I agree...trying to find ones that understand coaching is more than white board x/o's is getting tough. How about laundry, lining the field and all the grunt work that needs to be done.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 10, 2019 11:56:15 GMT -6
I've experienced the same thing with some skill coaches. It's usually because their new Facemelter play involves a new blocking scheme or an adjustment to a blocking scheme. And I think that's one thing that made our staff cohesive this last year; there are three of us that are OL guys. During the summer, we agreed that we wouldn't install any blocking schemes other than IZ, OZ, Power, Power Counter, Full-Slide pass pro and Half-Slide Pass pro. Nice! Seems like a lot less drama when you get those fat guys together. No to mention the fact that you can do a lot with those schemes. Tell the skills guys to put their "facemelter caps" on and figure out their "cool stuff" using schematics you already have in place. That's a win - win! It's a good situation: our OL coach was an outstanding high school OL/DL and played DL in college so he knows his stuff. Our OC worked as a GA for a successful NAIA school where he helped out with the OL and he's very knowledgeable. And, I've been the OL/DL guy in almost every program I've coached in. Our OL/DL guy took the bigguns, I took the TEs and the H-backs and the OC floated around but usually ended up with the OL. We got a lot accomplished between the three of us. Our two skill coaches worked well independently which freed up fat-kid coaches to hammer home the blocking schemes. And, yes, our skill coaches came up with some great variations of our passing concepts, week to week. They came to meetings with solid adjustments to throw in, depending on what we saw from defenses. The rest of us would tinker around with the running game and come up with some wrinkles. But, at the end of the day, the positive mix of personalities is what made it click. We worked well together to get things taken care of. I've coached with the OC for a few years now and I have his mannerisms figured out. If I suggested something and he responded with "Yeah, we could do that..." I knew ti was time to drop it. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 12:19:59 GMT -6
The sudden influx of young inexperienced coaches with HUGE egos, i could do without that Sudden? I've been in this business 46 years and that's always been around Well im only going on 25 in the biz, and id say in the last 10 or so its been the worst that Ive personally seen
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Post by s73 on Jan 10, 2019 15:02:56 GMT -6
Sudden? I've been in this business 46 years and that's always been around Well im only going on 25 in the biz, and id say in the last 10 or so its been the worst that Ive personally seen I agree with this & about your same age. I think FOR ME, the big difference is when i came in I KNEW I didn't know anything. Now every once in awhile, I run across some dudes who don't know anything and think they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:16:18 GMT -6
Well im only going on 25 in the biz, and id say in the last 10 or so its been the worst that Ive personally seen I agree with this & about your same age. I think FOR ME, the big difference is when i came in I KNEW I didn't know anything. Now every once in awhile, I run across some dudes who don't know anything and think they do. I was raised by a coach, so I kinda knew to shut up and listen then I met Aceback about 20 years ago, thats all I needed to know I didnt know $hit!, so I just shut up and started asking questions . From then on I decided to be a student of the game, and learn from anyone and everyone I could, you got 30-40 years in the game? Im gonna listen to you talk.
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Post by s73 on Jan 10, 2019 16:05:21 GMT -6
I agree with this & about your same age. I think FOR ME, the big difference is when i came in I KNEW I didn't know anything. Now every once in awhile, I run across some dudes who don't know anything and think they do. I was raised by a coach, so I kinda knew to shut up and listen then I met Aceback about 20 years ago, thats all I needed to know I didnt know $hit!, so I just shut up and started asking questions . From then on I decided to be a student of the game, and learn from anyone and everyone I could, you got 30-40 years in the game? Im gonna listen to you talk. I think networking w/ successful coaches is THE #1 thing you can do to help yourself in this profession. FOR ME, the # 2 thing i do is take advantage of my OCD. I utilize the mental excercise of play doodling in a notebook over and over and over again. cannot tell you how many times I have drawn up a play v. ____________defense only to realize I've redrawn the same play all over the entire page. And....I know I'm not the only one on this site to do it. FOR ME, that's how things become 2nd nature. Gotta put in the time. that's why young guys who haven't tend to annoy me b/c I know how long it took me and of course, like all of us, I'm still learning.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jan 10, 2019 16:27:22 GMT -6
Let’s not stereotype ALL young coaches here. I’m a young coach myself and I work hard to prevent from falling into that stereotype. Not going to say my age on here, but I’m definitely under 30. However, I’ve got five seasons of coaching under my belt and I was fortunate enough to work with someone those first two seasons that would respectfully remind me to stfu with my dumba$$ suggestions and listen.
I am a really confident guy but I make it very very clear I have a lot to learn. I take notes at every meeting, I go to all the clinics I can, ask questions, and have a genuine passion for learning the game. I cringe just as much at the “know-it-alls” as you guys do. But let’s not act like there’s no good young bucks out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 17:22:05 GMT -6
Let’s not stereotype ALL young coaches here. I’m a young coach myself and I work hard to prevent from falling into that stereotype. Not going to say my age on here, but I’m definitely under 30. However, I’ve got five seasons of coaching under my belt and I was fortunate enough to work with someone those first two seasons that would respectfully remind me to stfu with my dumba$$ suggestions and listen. I am a really confident guy but I make it very very clear I have a lot to learn. I take notes at every meeting, I go to all the clinics I can, ask questions, and have a genuine passion for learning the game. I cringe just as much at the “know-it-alls” as you guys do. But let’s not act like there’s no good young bucks out there. Noones stereotyping all of them, im just saying the ones that are
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 10, 2019 17:40:53 GMT -6
I wish admin were honest about wins and losses.... I would change that. Every school in America has a threshold for W/L and a commitment for W/L....
I wish the Principal would say "Hey... we expect you to win 7 games but we will only give you the resources to win like 3 or 4."
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Post by s73 on Jan 10, 2019 20:10:11 GMT -6
Let’s not stereotype ALL young coaches here. I’m a young coach myself and I work hard to prevent from falling into that stereotype. Not going to say my age on here, but I’m definitely under 30. However, I’ve got five seasons of coaching under my belt and I was fortunate enough to work with someone those first two seasons that would respectfully remind me to stfu with my dumba$$ suggestions and listen. I am a really confident guy but I make it very very clear I have a lot to learn. I take notes at every meeting, I go to all the clinics I can, ask questions, and have a genuine passion for learning the game. I cringe just as much at the “know-it-alls” as you guys do. But let’s not act like there’s no good young bucks out there. Lunchpail, Could not agree more with you! I have several QUALITY young guys on my staff. but...I was fortunate to be able to put my staff together. With that said, have had 2 HC gigs. At both, i have had the occasional young guy come around that either lwanted to do it "his way" or the way he came up thru ball, or something he saw on tv. Unfortunately thru the years I had to eventually let some guys go. Or the most irritating, had a former player from one of our conference championship teams, a kid who barely started for us, coach 2 years of MS FB at a job that I was the reason he was hired, came back after our scrimmage and make several "suggestions" about our play calling and defense. That's frickin' irritating. Those are the types of guys I''m talking about. And I think it's become worse b/c of social media and the net. Now many youngsters think b/c they watch a video or two or sportscenter they know it all. Not all of them mind you but more than used to be the case IME. Also, when their "stroke of genius" blows up, most of these TYPES of guys blame it on the kids "suck". JME. TONS of great ones out their also. I have more than a few on my staff.
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Post by veerwego on Jan 11, 2019 10:14:04 GMT -6
Great contributions so far I would get rid of any adult that doesn’t agree with the statement “he’s the coach. Whether I agree with him or not, it’s in the kid’s best interest just to let him do his job” If adults carried that sentiment about teachers as well, our problems in school would plummet. I guarantee it. Helping my first grader do his homework last night. He wrote an eight on his math paper and then said oh no, my teacher (a friend of our family) said not to make my eights this way but to make 2 circles. I make 8s his way, but I said she is the teacher so do it her way. I try to tell parents all the time that football matters very little, but the type of husband, father, and employee your son becomes matters greatly. Let them struggle now to succeed later.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 11, 2019 23:37:33 GMT -6
Great contributions so far I would get rid of any adult that doesn’t agree with the statement “he’s the coach. Whether I agree with him or not, it’s in the kid’s best interest just to let him do his job” If adults carried that sentiment about teachers as well, our problems in school would plummet. I guarantee it. Helping my first grader do his homework last night. He wrote an eight on his math paper and then said oh no, my teacher (a friend of our family) said not to make my eights this way but to make 2 circles. I make 8s his way, but I said she is the teacher so do it her way. I try to tell parents all the time that football matters very little, but the type of husband, father, and employee your son becomes matters greatly. Let them struggle now to succeed later. It’s truly all relative. I’ve yet to coach a kid who shows up late frequently and doesn’t take practice seriously that got good grades, kept a job or graduated college. I told parents this last year and they scoffed at me. Of course these were the same parents that didn’t have full time jobs, education, or had served time. One of the most amazing things about coaching and teaching is you can see into the future pretty accurately.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 5:32:16 GMT -6
CULTure bros, "blessed to receive...", pretty much anything on twitter, 7 on 7, kids and parents way too focused on recruiting, people selling other people's X and O stuff repackaged/renamed, good thing the bell just rang or I would go on a while Kids getting "offers" from D3 schools...hmmmmm.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 5:37:27 GMT -6
also the phrase "so it's just....." like when you talk X's and O's and are explaining something and somebody says "oh it's just cover 2" it's no mfer it isn't, if it was then we'd just call it mf'ing cover 2 I'm watching the Bama guy give a talk in Texas (of course, everybody here is vince lombardi) where he is describing their "switch" adjustment to 2 read....so a guy in the audience says "oh so it's just 2 man"....speaker says no..it's not just 2 man...... dude actually argues...."well it looks like 2 man" dude....guy coaches secondary for saban, but you probably know what the coverage is better than him because you guys beat mumford over at the their place 28-17.....unreal You can go 1-8 as long as that one win is against Mumford...
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Post by Defcord on Jan 12, 2019 6:35:08 GMT -6
CULTure bros, "blessed to receive...", pretty much anything on twitter, 7 on 7, kids and parents way too focused on recruiting, people selling other people's X and O stuff repackaged/renamed, good thing the bell just rang or I would go on a while Kids getting "offers" from D3 schools...hmmmmm. The worst thing you can do is tell someone, who just told you a kid got a D3 scholarship for athletics, that there are no D3 athletic scholarship. They immediately unleash a whirlwind of complete nonsense and won’t stop trying to convince you until you are no longer in their vicinity. I made that mistake a couple times to otherwise reasonable people. Now I just treat them like if I were in a foreign country and don’t know the language, smile, shake my head and go about my day.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 12, 2019 6:44:38 GMT -6
For me, it would be coaches saying "that won't work" any time they are confronted with a different offense/defense/technique. They don't listen to the rationale behind it, they just automatically disregard it because they don't watch it on the weekends or they don't know how to teach it. I worked with a guy at a middle school last year and we were discussing the hawk style tackling. Our high school that we fed directly into wanted us to implement hawk tackling and we had received training how to do it. That is the method I had taught for the past 2 years at another school, so I knew that it worked well. Well when we start planning our install time and drills for our defensive day, these two coaches both said "Nah, we aren't gonna teach it that way. That way of tackling is just gonna have our kids missing tackles and they can't do it, so we aren't gonna try." One of these coaches was our 8th grade "defensive coordinator" and he said we were just gonna stick with the old method of sticking our head across the opponents body. It just blew me away how quick he was to dismiss it and not even think about teaching something new to him. These dudes are the worst. I had a little stretch of this when I was younger. It was out of fear of failure more than arrogance. There are still times when I get nervous to try things, but when the best coaches are teaching it at higher levels and coaches I respect are recommending it, it’s time to give it a try. Our B team offensive line coach tells us kids can’t pull at that age and we major in gap scheme stuff at the high school so our kids aren’t learning our base plays. It’s kind of frustrating.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 12, 2019 11:49:46 GMT -6
I literally agree with every sentence of this post. How have some coaches managed to be WORSE nowadays than they were before there were so many resources? I remember playing middle school football (over a decade ago) and our practices were always organized, structured, and consistent. I got to help out with the middle school program as well as the high school this season (small school) and I was floored by what I saw. No schedule or awareness of time, doing insanely complicated drills with no correlation to the game to waste time during Indy, plays during team that sound like “Spread Right, lets give it to Chase on a juke snake route, everyone else just run a 9” instead of the 5 plays we asked them to run, and endless amounts of Bull in the Ring that I had to BEG to put an end to. Most of these issues have been fixed now, but only after losing over half of our team to injuries (mostly concussions). I would have never let my kid play on this team! It’s like people watched Friday Night Tykes and took notes on it like it was a clinic talk. Youth sports are no longer a pure phase in a child’s life to play a game, it’s become like the Wild West. This is no lie. My son played FB for 1st time this season (8th grade). 1st scrimmage of the year, he plays corner & they play M2M. No lie, no embellishment, I swear on my Lord & Savior JC, the rest of the post is exactly what happened. They play a team DT / Full house. He's M2M on the TE. They PA, my son sprints into the backfield & TE streaks for a TD. I of course, assume my kid screwed up. Car ride home I asked him if he just bit on the run, He says, no they blitzed me. I say, I thought you were M2M. He says, I was. I said how can you blitz & be M2M at the same time. He says, they told me to blitz and if FS yells pass turn around and try to cover him. Yep, my son was told to blitz & play M2M simultaneously. This is 100% the truth. I wish it weren't but it is. How did I know he was telling the truth? Because they did it again, and......again, and....again. All. Frickin'. Season (sigh). Yeah, so....... Did it ever work?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2019 12:17:58 GMT -6
I haven't read the whole thread, but I could very well fo without the crusader coach who thinks they're rescuing every player on their team's life and soul.
Cue the avalanche of responses where everyone brings up the 5 players out of the 1,000 they've coached who sent them a letter about how important they were in their lives.
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Post by s73 on Jan 12, 2019 12:26:15 GMT -6
This is no lie. My son played FB for 1st time this season (8th grade). 1st scrimmage of the year, he plays corner & they play M2M. No lie, no embellishment, I swear on my Lord & Savior JC, the rest of the post is exactly what happened. They play a team DT / Full house. He's M2M on the TE. They PA, my son sprints into the backfield & TE streaks for a TD. I of course, assume my kid screwed up. Car ride home I asked him if he just bit on the run, He says, no they blitzed me. I say, I thought you were M2M. He says, I was. I said how can you blitz & be M2M at the same time. He says, they told me to blitz and if FS yells pass turn around and try to cover him. Yep, my son was told to blitz & play M2M simultaneously. This is 100% the truth. I wish it weren't but it is. How did I know he was telling the truth? Because they did it again, and......again, and....again. All. Frickin'. Season (sigh). Yeah, so....... Did it ever work? Not that I recall.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 12:55:30 GMT -6
I haven't read the whole thread, but I could very well fo without the crusader coach who thinks they're rescuing every player on their team's life and soul. Cue the avalanche of responses where everyone brings up the 5 players out of the 1,000 they've coached who sent them a letter about how important they were in their lives. It's OK to just be a football coach. It really is.
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Post by Colonel Perry on Jan 12, 2019 14:01:54 GMT -6
Youth coaches who poach from other teams while players are still under contract
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Post by CS on Jan 12, 2019 14:50:57 GMT -6
Youth coaches who poach from other teams while players are still under contract Why are youth players under contract?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2019 14:58:18 GMT -6
I haven't read the whole thread, but I could very well fo without the crusader coach who thinks they're rescuing every player on their team's life and soul. Cue the avalanche of responses where everyone brings up the 5 players out of the 1,000 they've coached who sent them a letter about how important they were in their lives. It's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. I know, but it's getting harder to get jobs because that guy is the hot hire right now. Kinda like Kliff Kingsbury got an NFL job because he knows Sean McVay, is young and calls offense. People want that guy that thanks Jesus every five seconds and also says the word culture as often as possible. It's a hard time to be Bill Belichick and Mike Leach's love child. 😀
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 12, 2019 15:01:52 GMT -6
I haven't read the whole thread, but I could very well fo without the crusader coach who thinks they're rescuing every player on their team's life and soul. Cue the avalanche of responses where everyone brings up the 5 players out of the 1,000 they've coached who sent them a letter about how important they were in their lives. It's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. It's also okay to be more.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 12, 2019 15:13:11 GMT -6
So it's not even unsound but worked, it was unsound and bad... jeez.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 15:15:36 GMT -6
It's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. It's also okay to be more. Meh. I'm sure they are great guys and father figures and all that. It's the posting all over Twitter about what great guys and father figures they are that comes off as shallow and self serving. I often wonder if these guys would be such awesome role models if they couldn't post about what awesome role models they are. There are lots of guys out there...thousands of them...who treat kids fairly, show up on time, don't smoke, drink, chew, swear, or demean others in from of kids, and give the kids as much of an effort as the coach expects in return. The difference is that those guys don't have the need to market themselves as Football Jesus.
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 12, 2019 15:23:56 GMT -6
It's also okay to be more. Meh. I'm sure they are great guys and father figures and all that. It's the posting all over Twitter about what great guys and father figures they are that comes off as shallow and self serving. I often wonder if these guys would be such awesome role models if they couldn't post about what awesome role models they are. There are lots of guys out there...thousands of them...who treat kids fairly, show up on time, don't smoke, drink, chew, swear, or demean others in from of kids, and give the kids as much of an effort as the coach expects in return. The difference is that those guys don't have the need to market themselves as Football Jesus. Two different things.... Being a self promoter and Culture Bro is lame. But if you are "just coaching" or "just teaching" I think you are off the mark. But I don't hire those guys either. So it all works out in my corner of the football world.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 15:30:01 GMT -6
Meh. I'm sure they are great guys and father figures and all that. It's the posting all over Twitter about what great guys and father figures they are that comes off as shallow and self serving. I often wonder if these guys would be such awesome role models if they couldn't post about what awesome role models they are. There are lots of guys out there...thousands of them...who treat kids fairly, show up on time, don't smoke, drink, chew, swear, or demean others in from of kids, and give the kids as much of an effort as the coach expects in return. The difference is that those guys don't have the need to market themselves as Football Jesus. Two different things.... Being a self promoter and Culture Bro is lame. But if your "just coaching" I think you are off the mark. But then again I don't hire those guys either. So it all works out in my corner of the football world. Fair enough. I am tracking. 👍 What do you expect from the guys you hire, above and beyond what I posted above? Are there specific requirements/duties you have for your coaches that fall outside the realm of traditional football coaching job requirements? How to you know which of your coaches are doing these things and which ones aren't?
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 12, 2019 15:35:14 GMT -6
Two different things.... Being a self promoter and Culture Bro is lame. But if your "just coaching" I think you are off the mark. But then again I don't hire those guys either. So it all works out in my corner of the football world. Fair enough. I am tracking. 👍 What do you expect from the guys you hire, above and beyond what I posted above? Are there specific requirements/duties you have for your coaches that fall outside the realm of traditional football coaching job requirements? How to you know which of your coaches are doing these things and which ones aren't? Don't want to derail the thread... I'll start a new one.
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Post by s73 on Jan 12, 2019 16:58:39 GMT -6
So it's not even unsound but worked, it was unsound and bad... jeez. It was a rough season all the way around and I felt bad for my son that it was his 1st intro to FB. Coaches were F-bombing, not at the kids mind you, but in general speak. I took my son to his 1st NFL game this year and fans were F-bombing all over the place & I told him sorry for the some of the environment and he said, I know dad, that's just football. I very quickly told him that it's an intense game & sometimes that happens but it's not ok just b/c it's football. Oh well, ultimately I kept my mouth shut and told my kid to do his very best to execute what his coaches were teaching him. he may or may not play in my program next year. Not going to pressure him either way. Would love it to happen, but also understand it wasn't a great experience for him.
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