els36
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Post by els36 on Jan 2, 2019 0:20:35 GMT -6
Looking to see how other small schools conduct 2 a days. Currently we go a long day (O, D, Sp Teams) followed by a short day (either O/D, and SP Teams). We lift on short days aa well. Curious to see how other small schools handle "2 a days."
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jan 2, 2019 1:52:09 GMT -6
We don't do 2-a-days and I haven't been involved in a program that does for a long time. When I asked why (I'm old school and always did them) I was told that it's not good for the kids to have an intense workout, a break, and then an intense workout. I'm not the chief, I'm just an indian so I didn't question it. Our total summer practice time is 3.5 hours - this includes a lift, offense, and defense. Our total in-school practice time is 3 hours and includes the above but we add in special teams.
I'm not taking a shot at 2-a-day guys, just sharing my experience. For stuff like this I stay in my lane.
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Post by CS on Jan 2, 2019 4:18:11 GMT -6
Don’t do 2 a days. 3.5 hours is a really long time. Do y’all not have summer practices?
Or is that counting a lift before practice as well?
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Post by coachnichols on Jan 2, 2019 7:42:19 GMT -6
Kansas got rid of two-a-days. Of course basketball can still do two practices a day...but not for football.
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Post by coachfrigo on Jan 2, 2019 8:18:27 GMT -6
Don't do 2 a days. Feel like it's tradition getting in the way of progress. And no, it doesn't build toughness.
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Post by coachjm on Jan 2, 2019 8:24:07 GMT -6
We don't do two-a-days anymore either, we stopped in 2009. We have one 3 hour practice including the warm-up, conditioning, and cool down activities. We typically do a 1 hour film session prior as well.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 2, 2019 9:19:16 GMT -6
I think it was Mike Leach when he was at Texas Tech, said... I'd rather have one good practice, then two crappy practices a day.
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 2, 2019 9:24:45 GMT -6
One long practice around 3 hours with a 20 minute break in the middle, plus film or lifting before.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 2, 2019 9:31:44 GMT -6
We don't do 2-a-days. We have two 90-minute sessions with a 45-60- minute break in between. Part of that break is dedicated to our character development program. We also lift afterward.
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els36
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Post by els36 on Jan 2, 2019 9:33:00 GMT -6
I like the 3.5 hour idea. 30 minutes would be lifting and if non lifting day it would be practice film review /meetings
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Post by coachfrigo on Jan 2, 2019 9:37:32 GMT -6
Don't do 2 a days. Feel like it's tradition getting in the way of progress. And no, it doesn't build toughness.
Is that a data-driven assessment?
Well, it's simply not physiologically optimal. Same reason we don't condition after every practice or punish kids with up downs. I mean, I admire the old school way of thinking that I played in, where everything was about building toughness. I just think that there are better ways to do it.
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Post by Victor on Jan 2, 2019 9:50:48 GMT -6
I think it was Mike Leach when he was at Texas Tech, said... I'd rather have one good practice, then two crappy practices a day.
But what if you only have one practice, and it's bad?
The problem is the recovery! You can do it but needs to be prepared the whole schedule to avoid injuries and be useful for the physical development aspect
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jan 2, 2019 10:49:04 GMT -6
Don’t do 2 a days. 3.5 hours is a really long time. Do y’all not have summer practices? Or is that counting a lift before practice as well?
If that question was to me - 3.5 is our summer practice time which includes lift and everything else.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Jan 2, 2019 11:04:35 GMT -6
No spring football and no summer "practices" allowed Hell week- report at 7:00am- done at 5:30pm- Day 1- gear hand out/locker assignment/photos--- lift- lunch- meetings- practice #1- shower- meet Day 2- practice #2 physically demanding practice- meetings- lunch- dance contest- practice #3- mental practice(helmets only)- go jump in the River/Lake Day 3- practice #4 (physically demanding)-meetings- lunch- community service- practice #5- mental practice (helmets only)- go jump in the River/Lake Day 4- full pads- tackling day- done by 10:30- shower and lunch with community sponsor.
4 days of the following 2 a day week- Morning practice 7:00-9:00am(Individual/skills) lift 9:00 to 10:00 and then practice from 7:00-8:30PM(team concepts) Day 5 Morning practice and kids get helmet stickers and meet with coaches to confirm team/depth chart etc..
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 2, 2019 20:40:50 GMT -6
I think it was Mike Leach when he was at Texas Tech, said... I'd rather have one good practice, then two crappy practices a day.
But what if you only have one practice, and it's bad?
I guess spend the 2-3 hours you would have been practicing, figuring out what you gotta do to make tomorrows practice better. I heard Don Markham at a clinic say... I hear all these guys talking about two a days, and their "order of installation" for two weeks. Hell, give me two hours and I'll have my boys ready to play a ballgame...
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Post by jml on Jan 2, 2019 21:43:25 GMT -6
No 2-a-days... first two weeks of practice we are 30 meetings, 30 min weight room and 2 hours on the field.
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Post by CoachSP on Jan 4, 2019 12:57:48 GMT -6
I think it was Mike Leach when he was at Texas Tech, said... I'd rather have one good practice, then two crappy practices a day.
But what if you only have one practice, and it's bad?
If that's the case, then I'm not sure having a second practice in the same day will make anything better. To each his own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 13:13:58 GMT -6
The only time in my life I've ever done 2-a-days was as a player, when we'd go for 1.5-2 hours in the morning (around 9-11), take a 1-2 hour break for lunch and lifting (11-1), then do 1.5 hours again as a late session (1-2:30). That was part of teams that had from 30-40 on them.
The longer, early period would be special teams with either offense or defense, then the later session would be the other side of the ball. We would alternate which side had the early period based on which one we wanted to emphasize that day.
Our state currently has rules in place that discourage, but don't explicitly outlaw, 2-a-days with contact. Personally, I find them to be unnecessary if you're efficient with the time you have. After about 2 hours, the law of diminishing returns sets in and kids start checking out, especially if it's hot.
If I were going to do 2-a-days, I'd go no longer than a couple of 90 minute sessions with one of those in shirts and helmets without contact. The 1-2 hour rest period, as opposed to calling them back much later in the day (I've heard of teams start at 7 AM and then come back at 5 PM), is also a lot more efficient and allows players to recharge without a lot of weird logistical issues involving travel.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 4, 2019 16:18:19 GMT -6
Two a days were still around when I started coaching. I thought they were worse as a coach than player.
By the end of the week both as a player and a coach I was ready for it to be over. I never liked that feeling. I prefer it to be the opposite when at the end of the day everyone is ready to come back the next day and want to be there.
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Post by hawk18 on Jan 7, 2019 8:26:22 GMT -6
The last time we did 2 a days was 7 years ago.
Day 1: Practice #1 (2 hours), then a 3 hour mandatory recover/cool down period, Practice #2 (1 Hour Walk Thru) Day 2: Practice #3 (2.5 hours), lift prior to practice Day 3: Repeat Day 1 Day 4: Repeat Day 2
This went for two weeks
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Post by humble on Jan 7, 2019 9:44:55 GMT -6
We lift and do special teams in the morning. Then in the afternoon we meet for 20 mins with groups then practice 24 periods.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 7, 2019 10:26:48 GMT -6
What's the gain of 2 a days? The law of diminishing return and the actual science behind building up to practice lengths says it's detrimental and will lead to injuries/fatigue.
30 min lift, 15 min break, 100 min practice.
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Post by QBCoachDurham on Jan 7, 2019 11:03:28 GMT -6
We are a school of ~550 students. We do a week of two-a-days. We practice for 90 minutes, take a 45 minute break, and then go for another 90 minutes. We do all offense one practice, then do all defense the other. In SC, we are limited to 3 hours per day for the first week, but we only did 90 minute practices before that.
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Post by fantom on Jan 7, 2019 11:14:30 GMT -6
It's hard to say how to run 2-a-days without knowing the situation.
If you're in a state where you're allowed full, mandatory practices during the summer, before the start of the actual season there's probably no need for 2-a-days.
If you fully platoon there's probably less of a reason for 2-a-days. You may need a few days with second sessions to work on special teams.
We're not in either situation so we think that we need 2-a-days. We feel that there just isn't enough time to get everything done without them.
As for the practice schedule that also depends on your situation. For us, transportation isn't an issue so we let them go from 7-9 AM on defense. We let them go home then come back and do offense from 5-7:30. If transportation is an issue that might have to change.
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Post by fantom on Jan 7, 2019 12:06:54 GMT -6
Also the remaining ~80 minutes were not all full contact. Far from it. Even before state changed rules regarding "collision" practices.
That was the same for us. The new rules changed nothing for us.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 7, 2019 12:43:21 GMT -6
I would work on split days with O on day 1 with a little time just setting up our D as "scout" via cards. D is on day 2 with our offense on cards as scout
It gives you 3 full days of O and 3 full days of D in the first week but you're always running your O vs your D so every day gets your defensive techniques in a 1on1 for WR/DB and it's your pass skel vs your O on an offensive pass skelly day. etc etc. Got us out in less than 2 hours on the field.
I felt in the heat even going at 8am can be brutal and we all need massive recovery time.
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