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Dec 24, 2018 17:39:01 GMT -6
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Post by coachirish on Dec 24, 2018 17:39:01 GMT -6
How do you regulate it, what are your procedures?
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Post by carookie on Dec 24, 2018 17:50:24 GMT -6
Please clarify, do you mean player attendance at practice or players attendance in school (ie if we have a kid who is ditching class what do we as the team do)?
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Dec 24, 2018 17:52:51 GMT -6
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Post by coachirish on Dec 24, 2018 17:52:51 GMT -6
Player attendance at football practice, in and off season.
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Post by canesfan on Dec 24, 2018 18:24:19 GMT -6
In season is easy. You miss we don’t play you. Not a punishment but you’re not ready to play if you miss. If it’s one day and kids still dress. As long as it’s not chronic we may spot play them or play them on special teams.
Out of season I think you focus on the kids you have and let them put pressure on the kids who aren’t there. If a kid isn’t working in the offseason they’ll likely get passed up.
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Dec 24, 2018 21:47:45 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 21:47:45 GMT -6
How do you regulate it, what are your procedures? Foreshadowing?
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Dec 24, 2018 21:59:48 GMT -6
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Post by coachirish on Dec 24, 2018 21:59:48 GMT -6
How do you regulate it, what are your procedures? Foreshadowing? Lol I hope so
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Dec 24, 2018 22:02:55 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 22:02:55 GMT -6
Haha. Good deal! Great opportunity for sure. Hope it works out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 22:21:44 GMT -6
During the times of the year where we can’t make workouts mandatory per state I use peer pressure. Right or wrong I make the team leaders find them the next day and ask where they were. I do the same when they come to the next workout. I try not to be too big of a butthole but if they miss constantly they won’t make it anyway.
During the summer we have done different things whether they were allowed to miss a certain number in case families didn’t make vacation plans during dead period or had to make a “magic number” of the workouts like 17 of the 21. Some years we just said if you miss you make them up and you weren’t allowed any free misses. Our make ups are Hot Stoves. Every 10 yards from back of end zone to back of end zone they belly flop. 1600 yards. We also have the team leaders call the kids that miss each day to ask where they were and especially to encourage the younger kids. I think that’s helped also.
During season if you miss you don’t play. We don’t have many kids miss practice now but when I first got here it was hard to enforce this but I’m glad I did. We have morning weights and morning film as well. If they miss those or are late to anything they roll. They hate rolling.
We don’t have many problems with missing or being late anymore but I’ll say that’s more because the kids actually care now. We both had similar situations at times I’m sure where you were and I am now. My first two years here they didn’t care.
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Post by agap on Dec 24, 2018 22:38:28 GMT -6
If a player misses a practice, they don't start. If that is the first practice a player as missed, they'll probably only sit a series or a little more than that.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 25, 2018 4:46:27 GMT -6
I get that if a kid misses practice you are gonna sit him. But what if its a kid that is gonna sit anyway??? Then what do you do? I've never had a great answer for that. As far as off season we have our kids in wt. training class during the school day. Once school kids out we reward the kids that show up, and if its a kid we are counting on and they havent been there for a couple days we call or go to their house and check it out.
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Post by blb on Dec 25, 2018 7:25:15 GMT -6
1st Unexcused absence = They got PIE (Personal Improvement Exercises) or MEDs (Memory Enhancement Drills)
2nd Unexcused absence - Above plus sat out one game
3rd Unexcused absence = dropped from team
"Three strikes and you're out!"
One big thing HS football should teach kids is how to make and carry out a commitment. Practice attendance is pretty basic but important part of that.
If a kid missed three practices what I heard him saying was "Coach, I don't want to play football for our school this year," and we would accommodate him by collecting his gear.
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Dec 25, 2018 11:04:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 11:04:33 GMT -6
Offseason can’t be mandatory in our state, but playing time isn’t mandatory, either. Remind them of that.
I’ve been part of staffs that did different things. It worked best when we had a weights class during school. At one stop, our HC was over 60 years old and we could get just about any player into the weights class easily if they wanted to be there. He didn’t want to bother with after school weights for kids who didn’t care enough to take the class, so we didn’t do any. The ones who lifted took the class and were subject to normal school attendance policy. Worked pretty well, honestly—especially with multi-sport athletes.
At other places, we weren’t so lucky and after school weights was what we had to rely on.
We would encourage attendance by keeping workouts organized and brief, posting top performers and most improved with regular max testing, and by taking attendance and giving kids who were there the most their first pick of gear (regardless of class) in the fall. Want the cool new stuff? Show up and work for it.
For athletes playing other sports, ideally they can come in and get core lifts in a short session before school. If their other coaches are jerks about it, we just excused them from weights to save that headache. It was what it was.
Peer pressure is huge. Your kids will be the best recruiters. Also, if you can call kids’ homes when they miss, that can help, too.
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Dec 25, 2018 11:17:01 GMT -6
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Post by CS on Dec 25, 2018 11:17:01 GMT -6
During the times of the year where we can’t make workouts mandatory per state I use peer pressure. Right or wrong I make the team leaders find them the next day and ask where they were. I do the same when they come to the next workout. I try not to be too big of a butthole but if they miss constantly they won’t make it anyway. During the summer we have done different things whether they were allowed to miss a certain number in case families didn’t make vacation plans during dead period or had to make a “magic number” of the workouts like 17 of the 21. Some years we just said if you miss you make them up and you weren’t allowed any free misses. Our make ups are Hot Stoves. Every 10 yards from back of end zone to back of end zone they belly flop. 1600 yards. We also have the team leaders call the kids that miss each day to ask where they were and especially to encourage the younger kids. I think that’s helped also. During season if you miss you don’t play. We don’t have many kids miss practice now but when I first got here it was hard to enforce this but I’m glad I did. We have morning weights and morning film as well. If they miss those or are late to anything they roll. They hate rolling. We don’t have many problems with missing or being late anymore but I’ll say that’s more because the kids actually care now. We both had similar situations at times I’m sure where you were and I am now. My first two years here they didn’t care. Roles are the greatest punishment I have ever seen. It looks so easy but it kills most kids. We just have them make up the workout. I handle make ups for the team and I choose some form of running or loaded carries. It’s not a punishment but the way I explain it is that they are cramming all the conditioning they would have gotten in practice into a 10-15 min session. It sucks bad enough that they don’t want to do it much so if they miss it’s because they had to.
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Dec 25, 2018 11:28:58 GMT -6
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Dec 25, 2018 11:28:58 GMT -6
What Are your “rolls”? I’ve seen different things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 11:42:54 GMT -6
They lay down and roll across the field. 300 yards if late to film or weights and 500 if absent.
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Post by CS on Dec 26, 2018 10:03:24 GMT -6
What Are your “rolls”? I’ve seen different things. We have two. If one doesn't work the other usually does. Head rolls are just forward rolls every 10 yards. Hot dog rolls are on their side rolls
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Post by fkaboneyard on Dec 26, 2018 17:00:38 GMT -6
What Are your “rolls”? I’ve seen different things. We have two. If one doesn't work the other usually does. Head rolls are just forward rolls every 10 yards. Hot dog rolls are on their side rolls
They are very effective. We had the team bad ass cry then vomit then cry some more when he had to do them. While the team watched and a lot of them laughed. While it was going on I was thinking, "We're gonna swing for this for sure, that kid's parents are going to be at the school calling for the head of every coach." But kid didn't squeal to his parents and he never missed another practice.
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 26, 2018 18:34:58 GMT -6
Yes, I would warn adm on the rolls before you do them. I had opportunity to excel. Every 5 yards alternate 10 push ups then 10 burpees.
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 8, 2019 8:19:46 GMT -6
If they dont show up to off-season workouts, they are going to suck when the season starts. Making it teachable moment is about all we can do, and we make things very clear for them on a daily basis.
In-season, we had to escalate to "no-show, no-play." We used to penalize 1 qtr per day missed, but the kids thought sitting for 12 minutes was worth a free afternoon.
We sucked, and we had a lot of kids not play. Very few of them seemed to care.
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Post by coachlit on Jan 8, 2019 10:20:38 GMT -6
Does anyone use an app to take attendance? We've used the traditional clipboard for years, but it sucks if the coach assigned attendance forgets it or it gets caught in the rain.
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Post by syphrit7 on Jan 9, 2019 8:06:15 GMT -6
Anyone ever have a policy that they players with the highest/best attendance choose their jersey number first?
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Post by stilltryin on Jan 9, 2019 8:34:18 GMT -6
In my first go-round (late 90s), we had hard and fast in-season rules: one unexcused absence, you don't play that week; two unexcused absences, you're done. And other than personal illness or a death in the family, there weren't a lot of "excused" absences.
The problem with those kind of rules, of course, is that once you put them out there, you have to live by them, even when you don't want to.
These days, with parents who are quick to go over your head or "lawyer up." and administrations who cave to every phone call, we have fewer hard-and-fast rules. We're more likely to talk about our "expectations," and then deal with problems like absences on a case-by-case basis. But the first time we send our best athlete home for being late to the first meeting on game day, you can pretty much guarantee everybody else is gonna be on time the rest of the year.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 9, 2019 8:54:06 GMT -6
It varies from program to program but this is what we ran with last year:
1st unexcused absence: you don't play that week. 2nd unexcused absence: you don't play for two weeks. 3rd unexcused absence: you don't come back.
The parents and the kids sign a contracting where we provide examples of an excused absence but we preface it with the "Coaches' Discretion Clause" so that we don't paint ourselves into a corner. This clause has always served us well when we run into grey areas.
For example, one season, we had a kid who came to school but then went home right after school because he had a "cold". We called the first one an excused absence but then he tried to pull it the next day and we told him he one of two options: come to practice or go to the doctor and get us a note saying he couldn't participate. The HC had the kid in class that day and said he was fine. He ditched anyway, didn't show up with a doctor's note and we didn't play him that week. Mom and Dad tried to throw a fit with the administration but the HC texted them when the kid left to let them know all would be forgiven if he had a doctor's note. The chose not to do so, the kids skipped the next practice and we kicked him off of the team.
Another kid showed up on Monday looking like absolute death and asked if he could go home and we told him that was fine. The next day, he showed up looking even worse, tried to dress out and we sent him home. The same thing happened on Wednesday as the kid was in rough shape. But, he bounced back on Thursday, had a quality practice and we played him on Friday night. The parents of the first kid tried to throw this in our faces but we told told pulled out the contract and pointed out the clause.
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Post by bartimus58 on Jan 9, 2019 21:28:44 GMT -6
How do you regulate it, what are your procedures? We use the “Earn It System.” Throughout the offseason we track everything, including both workout and class attendance. Everyone wears a plain white shirt to workouts. They have to earn 500 points before they get to wear team colors at workouts. The top point earners get first pick of jersey number, gear, etc. It has been effective in getting kids motivated in the offseason.
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Post by tland on Jan 9, 2019 21:55:11 GMT -6
Does anyone use an app to take attendance? We've used the traditional clipboard for years, but it sucks if the coach assigned attendance forgets it or it gets caught in the rain. I followed this youtube video using google sheets and forms. Our kids warm-up w/ their position coach, each coach has a google form with the list of their kids, they simply check if they're present and then submit. They fill out a new form each day, same link. All forms talk to the same google sheet, then within that file I have 2 sheets(tabs) one where the data tells me how many practices each kid has made out of the total, and another where it is our season schedule and shows each day the athlete was present. When kids quit or get kicked off I simply black out the box with the highlight feature and leave their data of practice attendance there in case I need it later.
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Post by RunPeopleOver on Jan 9, 2019 22:33:28 GMT -6
Our rule is if you don't practice, you don't play. Sometimes we make exceptions given certain circumstances but I found an idea on Randy Jackson's culture factory blog that I thought was good.
Excused abscence - 250 yards of plate pushes
Unexcused absence - 500 yards of plate pushes.
Late - 5 minutes in the pit of misery.
All of this is based on the fact that even though you miss practice with an excused/unexcused absence you still need to make up the conditioning you missed.
As far as summer lifting goes, we live in a rural area. A lot of players work in the summer and can't make it or don't have transportation so we can't make it mandatory.
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 10, 2019 1:12:26 GMT -6
Hopefully this fits here...but does anyone have a "no drama" policy?
Kids miss for various reasons. If it's legit and communicated you understand. But if it's consistent BS you're chasing do you tell them to pack their bags?
This is reality...not a reality show.
#nodrama
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