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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 13, 2018 21:58:34 GMT -6
Does anyone know of or conduct a program where there is a vertical alignment of systems? I know of a one, but they are rivals and don't share much information. I was curious to how the successful programs implement a program from the top, down to the grass roots levels.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 13, 2018 22:25:15 GMT -6
Most of the school around here are more or less vertically alligned from the 7th grade through high school.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 13, 2018 22:45:51 GMT -6
Most of the school around here are more or less vertically alligned from the 7th grade through high school. Thanks Coach. I am interested in how the initial process took place. (My OP should have been more specific). Was it an expectation that the younger programs run the same stuff? Did the HC have to come in and ask the youth guys to run his stuff? Did the HC win in a manner that made everyone just get on board? If you were there from the early stages, or even if you were not but aware of the process, how did it all take shape?
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Post by TheDudeAbides09 on Dec 14, 2018 12:21:49 GMT -6
Our youth teams run the same system as we do. From my understanding (before my time), our HC met with the youth coaches and gave an informal clinic on our system. He sold it well, focusing on the long term investment and that this would make their kids more successful in MS and HS. With our MS, it is essentially an extension of our HS. The coaches help out some on Fridays. We go to all MS games. It is total involvement in the program. We believe the kids enter our program at 6 and leave at 18.
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Post by PSS on Dec 14, 2018 13:18:09 GMT -6
One of the most important things that needs to happen is for the HS coaches teach the lower lever (JH, Fresh, etc) what and how they want the O, D, ST taught. Next is for the HS coaches to actively coach the younger kids. Here our coordinators work with the JH teams everyday. They help with practice and games (coordinators travel with JH teams). Second, the HS coaches run the JH off-season program.
It allows for the JH Coaches to learn from the HS coordinators and coaches.
All varsity coaches coach the freshmen team. We have 3 freshmen coaches. As varsity coaches we assists in running individual, group, and team.
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 14, 2018 14:31:57 GMT -6
One of the most important things that needs to happen is for the HS coaches teach the lower lever (JH, Fresh, etc) what and how they want the O, D, ST taught. Next is for the HS coaches to actively coach the younger kids. Here our coordinators work with the JH teams everyday. They help with practice and games (coordinators travel with JH teams). Second, the HS coaches run the JH off-season program. It allows for the JH Coaches to learn from the HS coordinators and coaches. All varsity coaches coach the freshmen team. We have 3 freshmen coaches. As varsity coaches we assists in running individual, group, and team. Interesting How does that work time wise with practice if varsity coordinators coach varsity JV and JH? Are the high school and JH practices staggered times? does this “stunt growth” of the JH coaches not getting that experience coordinating?
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Post by PSS on Dec 14, 2018 15:39:28 GMT -6
One of the most important things that needs to happen is for the HS coaches teach the lower lever (JH, Fresh, etc) what and how they want the O, D, ST taught. Next is for the HS coaches to actively coach the younger kids. Here our coordinators work with the JH teams everyday. They help with practice and games (coordinators travel with JH teams). Second, the HS coaches run the JH off-season program. It allows for the JH Coaches to learn from the HS coordinators and coaches. All varsity coaches coach the freshmen team. We have 3 freshmen coaches. As varsity coaches we assists in running individual, group, and team. Interesting How does that work time wise with practice if varsity coordinators coach varsity JV and JH? Are the high school and JH practices staggered times? does this “stunt growth” of the JH coaches not getting that experience coordinating? Unlike other states, Texas has athletic periods. 8th grade practice starts before school and runs through 1st period. Coordinators have 1st period off. 7th grade practice last period and goes about 15 minutes after school. Coordinators have last period off. Freshmen, JV, and Varsity practice after school. JV & Varsity practice together, offense for 12 periods, defense for 12 periods. Freshmen practice on the other end of the field. When Varsity/JV offense is working, the defensive coaches go help with the Freshmen. When Varsity/JV defense is working the offensive coaches go help the Freshmen. As far as stunting the growth of the JH coaches, the HS coordinators don't call anything. They assist the JH coaches. The Varsity coaches give the sub-varsity a mini clinic at the beginning of year. During "2-a-days" the JH coaches assist the varsity coaches, learning the drills and techniques that they will teach.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 14, 2018 17:59:04 GMT -6
Interesting How does that work time wise with practice if varsity coordinators coach varsity JV and JH? Are the high school and JH practices staggered times? does this “stunt growth” of the JH coaches not getting that experience coordinating? Unlike other states, Texas has athletic periods. 8th grade practice starts before school and runs through 1st period. Coordinators have 1st period off. 7th grade practice last period and goes about 15 minutes after school. Coordinators have last period off. Freshmen, JV, and Varsity practice after school. JV & Varsity practice together, offense for 12 periods, defense for 12 periods. Freshmen practice on the other end of the field. When Varsity/JV offense is working, the defensive coaches go help with the Freshmen. When Varsity/JV defense is working the offensive coaches go help the Freshmen. As far as stunting the growth of the JH coaches, the HS coordinators don't call anything. They assist the JH coaches. The Varsity coaches give the sub-varsity a mini clinic at the beginning of year. During "2-a-days" the JH coaches assist the varsity coaches, learning the drills and techniques that they will teach. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. Feel free to share any other bits of info. This is good stuff.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 14, 2018 22:57:06 GMT -6
Where I experienced it it was because the HS basically owned the youth program and largely staffed the league, usually a HS coach and two senior players as assistants for each youth team in the league. It also helped that the HS has regional hegemony, there’s no other program anywhere near that level of population, resources, facilities, organization.
More importantly, there was care taken never to look down on coaches who coaches younger players. That was a big part of keeping things going where some other programs failed.
Younger levels were never referred to as “lower level.” There was a common playbook but there was a lot of latitude, it was more like guidelines. “This is our word for IZ, this is how we install it, but if you prefer to run trap, this is how we do it.” The JV HC was given his team to run and the varsity HC took care to separate his duties as varsity HC and program CEO. If your team ran smoothly he wasn’t going to interfere.
Allowing ideas to flow up. The grade 7 team came up with a more intuitive way of naming and signaling our base formations and varsity adopted it. It made people feel more invested rather than being peons of a distant king.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 15, 2018 5:46:30 GMT -6
Just from 7th grade up.
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Post by war79 on Dec 15, 2018 6:32:34 GMT -6
I might be in the minority but I always thought the "total" program in which the youth programs ran the same offense, defense, terminology was over rated. I want my Youth (6th grade on down) focusing on blocking, tackling, stances, etc. We get them in the "Program" in Middle School starting in 7th grade.
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Post by coachjm on Dec 15, 2018 7:35:15 GMT -6
We have had this in place for the last 7 years....
Youth level, we requested the youth program, to install the same blocking and tackling philosophies and a few other basic philosophies specifically drills that tie to these two things as well as general cultural things (not spending the entire practice running laps, screaming/swearing at kids ect.) all of this was welcomed and encouraged without much hesitation by the youth program, when we did our clinics with regards to blocking and tackling the director asked to run our schemes as well. I don't think this is necessary and really it matters very little if our youth programs run our schemes or not but I do see benefit if we are running the same system long enough in which some former players become coaches which we are a couple years from now.
MS/HS The expectation from day one is all are instructing the same material at all levels with the same methodology. If a Coach isn't willing to do this they are not retained on the staff. MS coaches attend all of our professional development and we do coach with our MS coaches at camps to model what we are looking for.
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Post by bobgoodman on Dec 15, 2018 13:04:35 GMT -6
Does anyone know of or conduct a program where there is a vertical alignment of systems? I know of a one, but they are rivals and don't share much information. I was curious to how the successful programs implement a program from the top, down to the grass roots levels. That's true in the organiz'n where I've coached the past 2 seasons, & said to be so of the other programs in the league (Morris Co.) as well. I hate that kind of orientation, and would've preferred to coach in the club next door (different league) where the teams do their own thing, but there've been no openings for coaches there lately!
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 16, 2018 17:18:35 GMT -6
3 years ago we went through the process of going system wide grades 3-12.
It would be misleading to say that every step is a master piece but some phases have really helped coaches who have bought in and some phases have required we part ways with coaches/board directors and even boosters on occasion.
It has been a huge process and we are still evolving.
How do you measure success? 1. player retention 2. coach retention 3. parent support-- feed back-- if mom loves the program you are winning! And no you are not going to make everyone happy 4. community support-
Football Focus- Grades 3-4= Block/Tackle/have fun!--- one formation- 6 run plays 2 pass plays--5-3 defense-coaches discretion Grades 5-6= Block/Tackle/pursue to the ball/have fun- must be in 21 personnel- 10 run plays 6 pass plays- 5-3 coaches discretion Grades 7-8= Block/Tackle/pursue to the ball/have fun winning- Each coach has access to the full HS play-book and then is advised to choose 2 blocking schemes Grade 9= moved to practice with the varsity this past season...lumps and the bubble grade (for what ever reason one class in every four has a huge dip in numbers)
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