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Post by morris on Dec 1, 2018 18:27:22 GMT -6
Does anyone have a rule in your state that makes taking a knee a dead play on the frosh/JV/varsity level?
I’ve never heard of any state having an provision that states you have to lay off if the other team is taking a knee to run out the clock.
We had a state title game end tonight with the defense playing the play to force a turnover (it was a 2pt game). There were some debate afterwards that in some states on the frosh level they don’t allow the defense to play the play.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Dec 3, 2018 2:42:57 GMT -6
From my understanding there is only protection if the score is more than 8 points and the time left and timeouts works out right...
Another option is if the other team concedes and allows you to kneel...
if not, it is a live play
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 3, 2018 7:23:30 GMT -6
Officially, no. But if it's a big enough gap, frequently the officials will stand almost beside the QB and step in pretty quick.
I'd support a rule change with the play.
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Post by kcbazooka on Dec 3, 2018 11:35:17 GMT -6
Most crews in our state (Missouri) will tell the defense not to play if the offense says they’re taking a knee. I always felt this was wrong. We played a team that had an 8 point lead that had previously fumble two snaps. They told the refs they were going to take a knee but I had told our line to rush. We got penalized and I lost the ensuing argument that it wasn’t fair to stop our defense from playing.
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Post by mkuempel on Dec 4, 2018 12:44:06 GMT -6
I don't believe there is a specific rule on the books about it, but in my opinion, the easiest fix for the officials is to just whistle it dead very quickly. If the offense tells them they are kneeling, just blow a quick whistle, but it still allows for the OL/DL to be physical and possibly force a fumbled snap. Now if the defense does something crazy like send LBs over the OL or something of that nature, then flag the D for unnecessary roughness, but until the game ends, let them play and determine the outcome.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Dec 4, 2018 13:40:03 GMT -6
I've heard of the 8 point rule here in Arizona
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Dec 4, 2018 13:40:24 GMT -6
I've heard of the 8 point rule here in Arizona
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Post by carookie on Dec 4, 2018 15:00:24 GMT -6
Was beating a team by 20 last year with about 10 seconds left and we had just punted the ball to them (they had no timeouts). They decide to have their QB do a fake kneel down and then try to run it (they pulled cheap stuff like that all day). Sure enough our guys assume he took the knee, and he busts out into the open field; except the refs blew the whistle on his fake kneel down already-calling the play dead.
Their coach blows his stack and starts yelling how the refs screwed them all game (it was quite the opposite but thats another story).
I bet the NFL and possibly D1 make it a dead play with a 2 second play length attached with a few years.
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 4, 2018 18:32:50 GMT -6
Varsity, no
But I’ve seen refs do it in 9th and JV games
Not an official rule but it’s happened
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Post by morris on Dec 4, 2018 19:21:15 GMT -6
I’ve never really seen it be an issue. If the game is more than a 1 possession game most teams accept the fact. 1 possession game and I expect the team to try something. I asked the question due to some people thinking there was a rule. It is one of those things the general public has a misconception about.
Now the faking a knee thing will get blown dead and flagged for sure if they say they are taking a knee. It falls into the same category as the “wrong ball” play.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 4, 2018 23:30:51 GMT -6
they generally tell the defense to not do anything if the offense/coach tell them they are taking a knee
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Post by coacht5150 on Jan 9, 2019 12:37:47 GMT -6
We got stopped inside the 10 yard line with a minute to go down by 6 one time. The other team gets the ball and tries to kneel and we swipe the ball from the center. First and goal. We still didn't score.
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Post by stilltryin on Jan 9, 2019 13:19:20 GMT -6
I don't believe there is a specific rule on the books about it, but in my opinion, the easiest fix for the officials is to just whistle it dead very quickly. If the offense tells them they are kneeling, just blow a quick whistle, but it still allows for the OL/DL to be physical and possibly force a fumbled snap. Now if the defense does something crazy like send LBs over the OL or something of that nature, then flag the D for unnecessary roughness, but until the game ends, let them play and determine the outcome. This. The rules do say it's a 48-minute game, not "47-and-change if the team that's ahead decides to take a knee." So you should still have to line up, complete a snap from center, and take a knee ... maybe even do it two or three times. But like mkuempel says, if everybody including the officials just uses a little common sense, no problem. 'Course, you still have to deal with that guy, the one who wants to show how he's "playing to win" by having his mike linebacker blow up the center or dive over the line into the quarterback. That's where you need that guy's AD to show his common sense by sitting the coach's butt the next week or two. |
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Post by coachfrigo on Jan 9, 2019 16:06:05 GMT -6
I don't believe there is a specific rule on the books about it, but in my opinion, the easiest fix for the officials is to just whistle it dead very quickly. If the offense tells them they are kneeling, just blow a quick whistle, but it still allows for the OL/DL to be physical and possibly force a fumbled snap. Now if the defense does something crazy like send LBs over the OL or something of that nature, then flag the D for unnecessary roughness, but until the game ends, let them play and determine the outcome. This. The rules do say it's a 48-minute game, not "47-and-change if the team that's ahead decides to take a knee." So you should still have to line up, complete a snap from center, and take a knee ... maybe even do it two or three times. But like mkuempel says, if everybody including the officials just uses a little common sense, no problem. 'Course, you still have to deal with that guy, the one who wants to show how he's "playing to win" by having his mike linebacker blow up the center or dive over the line into the quarterback. That's where you need that guy's AD to show his common sense by sitting the coach's butt the next week or two. If it's a winnable game, I don't see the problem with jumping over or blowing up the center. When I was in high school, we won a game by blowing up the center, making the quarterback fumble the exchange. |
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Post by coachrj on Jan 10, 2019 10:58:51 GMT -6
Maybe I'm a jerk, but I have my O-line come off the ball from a 4 point stance (not cut, just come off first 3 steps). Used to just allow them to stand there until some "hero" defensive lineman hurt one of my players during a knee. Now we come off and drive every time until the refs make both sides stop.
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Post by somecoach on Jan 10, 2019 15:22:55 GMT -6
In our league most officials will announce it and treat it as a dead play at all levels
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