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Post by 42falcon on Nov 28, 2018 8:27:23 GMT -6
As I get older I am noticing this more not sure if it is because I am maturing or getting soft or it just didn't bother me before or if the expectations of kids and parents are changing as generations change. 10 years ago no one ever complained about playing time, we started our best 12 on O and D we played our best kids on specials and intermixed the 2's into specials. As the game wore on in once it was essentially decided we started to roll other kids in.
Not much has changed we try to get every kid in it is not equal in any way shape or form there are games where we are competitive and a kid gets in there for a series or two in a game, maybe a few reps on specials. I have had a few comments from parents that their kid didn't play enough, that has extended to a few kids quitting because they don't play enough.
For whatever reason this is really bugging me and I don't know if it is because I am older with my own kids now or if it is a sign that something is rotten in what we are doing and we need to make a course change correction.
What's the experience of the rest of the guys on here? We are talking SR HS football not youth ball.
-Do all your kids play in every game?
-Is playing time equal?
-How do you ensure all your kids play (do you have a game day process or rotation to ensure this happens)?
Thanks.
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Post by fantom on Nov 28, 2018 8:33:31 GMT -6
1. No 2. No 3. We don't.
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Post by PSS on Nov 28, 2018 8:36:51 GMT -6
Sub Varsity, everyone plays. Work them in either on offense or defense.
Varsity, the only ones that don't play are seniors that can't contribute. Seniors can't play on JV. Everyone else is on varsity for a reason. They contribute on offense or defense. If an underclassman is not getting much playing time we keep them on JV to get the playing experience.
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Post by gpcoach on Nov 28, 2018 8:37:34 GMT -6
we started our best 12 on O and D Now THAT is how you out-scheme your opponent...
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Post by bigmoot on Nov 28, 2018 8:46:02 GMT -6
IDK...i think parents being disgruntled as always been around, but i think people are alot faster to speak out (social media) nowadays. I had a 9th grade OL parents complain their kid was not getting any playing time on VARSITY. The kid didnt even start on the JV/9th grade team. Some people are never gonna be happy no matter what you do.
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Post by blb on Nov 28, 2018 8:47:02 GMT -6
we started our best 12 on O and D Now THAT is how you out-scheme your opponent...
OP coaches in Canada.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 28, 2018 8:54:17 GMT -6
We try to get every kid on at least one special team. Best kid plays on varsity and JV kids get meaningful minutes.
We all know football is hard, especially when there's only one game per week unlike hockey, lacrosse, baseball, etc. where once preseason is done, it's a day or two of practice and then a game, repeat. When one considers how much practice time goes into one event for football and an athlete knows they don't have a shot of playing unless their team is up or down big, I can't say that I necessarily blame them for not coming out.
When I was growing up, there'd be 15 kids on a team who knew that they were "teammates" in the truest sense, essentially helping the starters/players get better each week through scout contributions. Maybe it was the compliance culture of yesteryear (do what coach says, don't ask why, play because everyone else does, never quit because your parents wouldn't tolerate it, don't complain, etc.) but teammates would be in it for the long haul.
I feel this is contributing the rise of the "individual" sport (XC, track, golf, cycling, etc.)...every kid gets the opportunity to compete towards a team effort even if they finish last.
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Post by 42falcon on Nov 28, 2018 9:27:01 GMT -6
we started our best 12 on O and D Now THAT is how you out-scheme your opponent... Sorry we start our best 12 kids on D and then the best 12 O kids on O. That is not saying we start 12 kids only.... we normally have 20-24 kids that are playing all the time on O & D the 2 way guys are often OL/DL kids. Thank you for answering the question yourself!
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Post by MICoach on Nov 28, 2018 9:58:19 GMT -6
Freshmen and JV level everybody plays - maybe not equal, but as close as we can make it while still somewhat trying to win the game.
Varsity is entirely a meritocracy. The best five OL are gonna play with maybe a sixth "utility" type guy spelling two way players if we have somebody who can do that. If two guys are equal I usually err toward the underclassmen which people probably don't like but its just what I do...
We usually start the year giving senior #2's the benefit of the doubt on special teams - if they screw up we're not hesitant to play younger guys for program development. By the end of the year the HC has usually "fired" a few seniors from special teams in favor of sophomores/juniors.
If we're up 3+ scores I might begin to sub in the #2's I am most confident with by series. If we're rolling somebody then I just make my way through the depth chart with a goal of getting seniors in over underclassmen.
I've had some challenges with this the last two years as we've had some seniors who are great guys but just awful football players. I always try to give them a shot in practice, especially if we need an injury replacement - sometimes they outperform my expectations, usually they just confirm my expectations.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Nov 28, 2018 10:05:14 GMT -6
If a guy isn't going to directly hurt the outcome, I'll gladly put him in for a series. Even if it's a close game, if I know I can hide a kid, I'm fine getting him in.
I like getting as many different players involved in special teams as possible.
But, I wouldn't lose sleep if a kid who is buried on the depth chart didn't get in every game.
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Post by gpcoach on Nov 28, 2018 11:04:53 GMT -6
Now THAT is how you out-scheme your opponent...
OP coaches in Canada.
Haha, ah. Well, still funny for us silly Americans...
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Post by newhope on Nov 28, 2018 12:16:07 GMT -6
As I get older I am noticing this more not sure if it is because I am maturing or getting soft or it just didn't bother me before or if the expectations of kids and parents are changing as generations change. 10 years ago no one ever complained about playing time, we started our best 12 on O and D we played our best kids on specials and intermixed the 2's into specials. As the game wore on in once it was essentially decided we started to roll other kids in. Not much has changed we try to get every kid in it is not equal in any way shape or form there are games where we are competitive and a kid gets in there for a series or two in a game, maybe a few reps on specials. I have had a few comments from parents that their kid didn't play enough, that has extended to a few kids quitting because they don't play enough. For whatever reason this is really bugging me and I don't know if it is because I am older with my own kids now or if it is a sign that something is rotten in what we are doing and we need to make a course change correction. What's the experience of the rest of the guys on here? We are talking SR HS football not youth ball. -Do all your kids play in every game? -Is playing time equal? -How do you ensure all your kids play (do you have a game day process or rotation to ensure this happens)? Thanks. While I'd love for all of them to play every game, they don't. This ain't rec league. Earn your playing time. Don't worry, if you make them all happy over playing time, they'll complain about touches. Coach them all, treat them fairly.
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Post by Davs on Nov 28, 2018 22:17:52 GMT -6
Varsity the best play. If it is a blow out we get everyone in. On JV everyone plays. Had a senior this year who was just a great kid. Didn't play his freshman year, but worked his rear off when he did come out. Just not good enough to get real time. If we would get up early he would get carries. Kind of a way to get the hard working kid in who probably won't score in one carry.
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2018 8:13:39 GMT -6
We were going to play everybody as much as possible without hurting our chances to win.
We played the "game deciders" until the game was decided (running clock or one team ahead by three scores in 4th Quarter).
If an older player and a younger player were even, the latter played.
That said, no question kids aren't willing to work so hard just to sit the bench or even earn PT anymore.
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Post by jcamerot on Nov 29, 2018 8:59:22 GMT -6
That's an uplifting view of humanity..................
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 29, 2018 9:15:30 GMT -6
Not all of our kids play in every game and playing time is certainly not equal. At the varsity level the best players play. If it's a blowout we put benchwarmers in but they have to be kids that actually show up to practice and work.
We had a kid new to the program this year (had actually never played any organized sport, anywhere) that was absolutely terrible but he showed up to every lift and every practice. He got a few minutes of playing time in a couple games. We had another kid that played as a freshman, took 2 years off then came back for his senior year. He was not a good football player but the fact that he missed a lot of practices, oftentimes had to leave early, twice forgot his game pants, and often had "injuries" made him even worse. He never saw the field this year. His dad was an absolute turd, accused the HC and the O-line coach of bullying him. Oh yeah, he never paid his participation or spirit pack fees. And now the HC has to stand up in front of everybody this Friday night at the banquet and say something nice about the kid.
I understand the "get everybody in" philosophy but the other side is that a lot of kids are trying to make all-league selections so they want the playing time to get their stats up. If you're on a good team where the game is decided by halftime and the bench is in with a running clock in the second half it puts some kids at a disadvantage. This has happened on teams where I've coached more than once. Like Alabama's Tua Tagovailoa, he gets half a game and then sits out. I've heard more than one say, "He hasn't even played a whole game, how can he win a Heisman?" I realize a Heisman vs high school is night and day but not to some of these kids that are knocking at the door trying to go to the next level.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 29, 2018 9:24:13 GMT -6
Sub-varsity level: we find ways to get the kids that are working hard in practice as much time as possible. We have multiple strategies in place that allow us to plug in hard working, less-athletic players quite a bit while still remaining competitive. With that being said: the playing time is absolutely earned through hard-work in practice and demonstration of their ability to execute.
Varsity: the best 11 are on the field for the majority of the time until the game is decided. We start subbing in half-way through the third or in the fourth quarter of games that are getting out of hand. We will get kids that aren't necessarily our best out there to get the starters a breather when they need it. This is assuming that the kid can get the job done at the varsity level and isn't a liability.
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Nov 29, 2018 18:10:57 GMT -6
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 29, 2018 21:06:52 GMT -6
That story is insane. I guess it makes it easier to get all your kids in, though.
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Post by canesfan on Nov 29, 2018 21:14:25 GMT -6
Varsity we play who deserves to play and who will help us win. If that means we play 20 kids that’s what it means. If someone has a problem with how much they don’t play they need to earn varsity time in practice or in their limited game reps. I’m not playing any kid because I want them all to get in as far as varsity goes. JV everyone we take will play.
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