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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 23, 2018 16:50:48 GMT -6
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Post by CS on Nov 23, 2018 17:19:51 GMT -6
We do for a short time. Most injured players are off the field quickly. If it’s a long period of time we get up.
So we show our respect but don’t get tight
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Post by fantom on Nov 23, 2018 17:29:10 GMT -6
I believe that it was explained here a while ago it started in youth leagues, where they don't have trainers and often only a couple of coaches. Having the kids kneel gives the kids something to do while coaches tend to the injured player. I'd never heard of it until a few years ago. Some of our kids do it but we don't tell them to. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 19:52:45 GMT -6
I get yelled at quite often for not taking a knee for injuries. Hell, my admin even got emails from some butthurt parents of injured opponents because we didn't take a knee. The only time we take a knee is if the injury is taking an extended period of time.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 23, 2018 20:25:29 GMT -6
we played a team a couple of weeks ago and the same thing happened..all our kids and their kids took a knee..never saw it before. btw..I am on a new team in a new state so...
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 23, 2018 20:50:54 GMT -6
we played a team a couple of weeks ago and the same thing happened..all our kids and their kids took a knee..never saw it before. btw..I am on a new team in a new state so... Not in VA anymore? Where are you now, coach? |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 23, 2018 21:22:07 GMT -6
Moved back to MA Nauset HS
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 24, 2018 1:49:01 GMT -6
I never understood how this was some kind of way to show respect. We do it but only because we don't want the headaches that come with not doing it.
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 24, 2018 7:47:02 GMT -6
Somebody should merge this with the old thread on the subject.
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Post by morris on Nov 24, 2018 8:19:49 GMT -6
I never understood how this was some kind of way to show respect. We do it but only because we don't want the headaches that come with not doing it. Exactly. The thing is I don’t think coaches give a crap but the fans sure do. Not just the opposing ones but your own often get all worked up about it. |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 24, 2018 8:25:48 GMT -6
What if a kid got hurt during the anthem? Heads would explode trying to figure out what to do.
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Post by morris on Nov 24, 2018 8:35:57 GMT -6
I never understood how this was some kind of way to show respect. We do it but only because we don't want the headaches that come with not doing it. Exactly. The thing is I don’t think coaches give a crap but the fans sure do. Not just the opposing ones but your own often get all worked up about it. |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 24, 2018 8:45:28 GMT -6
It's big around here. I'm to the point of not doing it any more unless it's some major type deal. Hate when a kid who is cramping or something like that is down and everyone is screaming take a knee! It's a cramp!!
Now I can see if it's a major type deal where your not sure whats going on, the kid is ko'ed, or if they need to call in the stretcher. I feel like then it's a show of respect for the kid not to be huddled up with your team making corrections or stuff like that when a kid is seriously injured. But other than that it's getting stupid. Oh my god he got kicked in the nuts! Everyone on a knee!!
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 24, 2018 9:21:04 GMT -6
It's big around here. I'm to the point of not doing it any more unless it's some major type deal. Hate when a kid who is cramping or something like that is down and everyone is screaming take a knee! It's a cramp!! Now I can see if it's a major type deal where your not sure whats going on, the kid is ko'ed, or if they need to call in the stretcher. I feel like then it's a show of respect for the kid not to be huddled up with your team making corrections or stuff like that when a kid is seriously injured. But other than that it's getting stupid. Oh my god he got kicked in the nuts! Everyone on a knee!! Our opponents never seem to care, but occasionally we'll get their fans pretty upset over it. We had people screaming for us to take a knee last night while they were assessing a kid. Whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 11:00:08 GMT -6
Always done that, even when I played in HS over 20 years ago. It's just a sign of respect and sportsmanship for a fallen opponent. I have no idea when it started, but I respect this tradition. I guess part of the thinking is to get kids calmed down so they can get the stretcher out to tend to the man down. When I played, we didn't always have a trainer at our HS games. I've coached at small schools where a trainer's not always there, too. Also, if it is a very serious injury, you don't want to look like a bunch of jackasses over there with kids laughing or goofing off while a kid is laying there and people are worried about him. It's a grim scenario, but all injuries aren't just cramps and you often have no way of knowing what the heck is going on. There was a kid in my area at another school who actually died in a game a few years back. His heart just gave out on him from an undiagnosed defect while he went to make a tackle and he fell. I would not have wanted to be a coach whose team was just going about their normal business during that situation. |
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 24, 2018 14:04:35 GMT -6
Always done that, even when I played in HS over 20 years ago. It's just a sign of respect and sportsmanship for a fallen opponent. I have no idea when it started, but I respect this tradition. I guess part of the thinking is to get kids calmed down so they can get the stretcher out to tend to the man down. When I played, we didn't always have a trainer at our HS games. I've coached at small schools where a trainer's not always there, too. Also, if it is a very serious injury, you don't want to look like a bunch of jackasses over there with kids laughing or goofing off while a kid is laying there and people are worried about him. It's a grim scenario, but all injuries aren't just cramps and you often have no way of knowing what the heck is going on. There was a kid in my area at another school who actually died in a game a few years back. His heart just gave out on him from an undiagnosed defect while he went to make a tackle and he fell. I would not have wanted to be a coach whose team was just going about their normal business during that situation. So, standing at attention would be disrespectful? I was coached that the field is not a place of rest, and thus we did not take a knee on the field for any player. |
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Post by carookie on Nov 24, 2018 14:33:57 GMT -6
Always done that, even when I played in HS over 20 years ago. It's just a sign of respect and sportsmanship for a fallen opponent. I have no idea when it started, but I respect this tradition. I guess part of the thinking is to get kids calmed down so they can get the stretcher out to tend to the man down. When I played, we didn't always have a trainer at our HS games. I've coached at small schools where a trainer's not always there, too. Also, if it is a very serious injury, you don't want to look like a bunch of jackasses over there with kids laughing or goofing off while a kid is laying there and people are worried about him. It's a grim scenario, but all injuries aren't just cramps and you often have no way of knowing what the heck is going on. There was a kid in my area at another school who actually died in a game a few years back. His heart just gave out on him from an undiagnosed defect while he went to make a tackle and he fell. I would not have wanted to be a coach whose team was just going about their normal business during that situation. Coincidentally, your post seems to be aimed at major/catastrophic injuries "stretcher out...", "very serious injury...", "grim scenario..."; these are usually the incidences where teams DON'T take a knee. Usually if the kid is gonna be down for more than a couple minutes both teams gets their players to the sideline to keep loose and ready. We take a knee and pray, get some water, any thing longer than that players stand back up. No disrespect, but kneeling for a few minutes doesn't put us at our best physically. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 14:35:55 GMT -6
Always done that, even when I played in HS over 20 years ago. It's just a sign of respect and sportsmanship for a fallen opponent. I have no idea when it started, but I respect this tradition. I guess part of the thinking is to get kids calmed down so they can get the stretcher out to tend to the man down. When I played, we didn't always have a trainer at our HS games. I've coached at small schools where a trainer's not always there, too. Also, if it is a very serious injury, you don't want to look like a bunch of jackasses over there with kids laughing or goofing off while a kid is laying there and people are worried about him. It's a grim scenario, but all injuries aren't just cramps and you often have no way of knowing what the heck is going on. There was a kid in my area at another school who actually died in a game a few years back. His heart just gave out on him from an undiagnosed defect while he went to make a tackle and he fell. I would not have wanted to be a coach whose team was just going about their normal business during that situation. So, standing at attention would be disrespectful? I was coached that the field is not a place of rest, and thus we did not take a knee on the field for any player. I wouldn't think that standing at attention would necessarily be disrespectful, but by the conventions of the game in our area a lot of people may interpret it as such and be upset. Do teams in your area only have the players on the field take a knee? Where I've coached, it's common (though not universal) for both teams to take knees in their entirety during an injury. That includes the sidelines, too, with only the coaches standing until the player leaves the field of play. The band also doesn't play during this time and the cheerleaders don't do cheers. Everyone claps when the injured player finally leaves the field. It is also normal for the player's HC to go out onto the field to check on a player who is down. Coaches may address the players at that time and actually discuss adjustments and other business during this time, but those players will be on one knee during those conversations. I thought this stuff was what people did everywhere, honestly. Besides it being an issue of respect, I think some coaches may also use it as a way to have their players get a little extra rest while the game is stopped. I used to coach under a very old fashioned HC who was always yelling at his players to get off their feet before warmups so they wouldn't waste any unnecessary energy. |
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Post by Victor on Nov 24, 2018 14:36:35 GMT -6
Here in Brazil it is a big deal, to show respect for the opponent
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Post by fantom on Nov 24, 2018 14:41:45 GMT -6
So, standing at attention would be disrespectful? I was coached that the field is not a place of rest, and thus we did not take a knee on the field for any player. I wouldn't think that standing at attention would necessarily be disrespectful, but by the conventions of the game in our area a lot of people may interpret it as such and be upset. Do teams in your area only have the players on the field take a knee? Where I've coached, it's common (though not universal) for both teams to take knees in their entirety during an injury. That includes the sidelines, too, with only the coaches standing until the player leaves the field of play. The band also doesn't play during this time and the cheerleaders don't do cheers. Everyone claps when the injured player finally leaves the field. It is also normal for the player's HC to go out onto the field to check on a player who is down. Coaches may address the players at that time and actually discuss adjustments and other business during this time, but those players will be on one knee during those conversations. I thought this stuff was what people did everywhere, honestly. Besides it being an issue of respect, I think some coaches may also use it as a way to have their players get a little extra rest while the game is stopped. I used to coach under a very old fashioned HC who was always yelling at his players to get off their feet before warmups so they wouldn't waste any unnecessary energy. Must have been a regional thing. I'd never heard of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 14:43:22 GMT -6
Must have been a regional thing. I'd never heard of it. Must be. Weird. |
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Post by coachphillip on Nov 24, 2018 15:14:01 GMT -6
We don’t do it. We get crap for it. Is what it is. Feel free to get worked up over our guys taking a knee or not. We get our guys to the sideline and get them some water.
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Post by carookie on Nov 24, 2018 17:15:06 GMT -6
Here in Brazil it is a big deal, to show respect for the opponent I don't think anyone is writing that it is wrong to "show respect for the opponent"; rather, we are writing that having your players not take a knee is not a case of being disrespectful. I doubt anyone warms up or gets ready by telling everyone to kneel down and drink water, so why would we choose to do so for a period of time in the middle of the game? |
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Post by carookie on Nov 24, 2018 17:17:49 GMT -6
We don’t do it. We get crap for it. Is what it is. Feel free to get worked up over our guys taking a knee or not. We get our guys to the sideline and get them some water. If a kid goes down hurt I've had refs tell our players they have to remain on the field of play and coaches cannot coach them up. I never thought to question it, but is this even a rule? I'd rather have my players just get to the sidelines and stay loose while we wait. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 24, 2018 17:37:07 GMT -6
We don’t do it. We get crap for it. Is what it is. Feel free to get worked up over our guys taking a knee or not. We get our guys to the sideline and get them some water. If a kid goes down hurt I've had refs tell our players they have to remain on the field of play and coaches cannot coach them up. I never thought to question it, but is this even a rule? I'd rather have my players just get to the sidelines and stay loose while we wait. Good question. Why not ask in the Rules section? I'm curious, too. |
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Post by coachphillip on Nov 24, 2018 19:50:57 GMT -6
If a kid goes down hurt I've had refs tell our players they have to remain on the field of play and coaches cannot coach them up. I never thought to question it, but is this even a rule? I'd rather have my players just get to the sidelines and stay loose while we wait. Good question. Why not ask in the Rules section? I'm curious, too. Players are allowed to be on the numbers and coaches can talk to them so long as they don’t come onto the field. Throw them some water bottles and talk to them from the sideline. |
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Post by carookie on Nov 24, 2018 20:18:13 GMT -6
Good question. Why not ask in the Rules section? I'm curious, too. Players are allowed to be on the numbers and coaches can talk to them so long as they don’t come onto the field. Throw them some water bottles and talk to them from the sideline. So I can't have my players come off the field? This is always a killer when I have a specialist type position get injured; say my starting center gets hurt and my back-up center is my guard. I'd like to have him get a couple practice snaps with the QB. |
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Post by Victor on Nov 25, 2018 6:36:13 GMT -6
Here in Brazil it is a big deal, to show respect for the opponent I don't think anyone is writing that it is wrong to "show respect for the opponent"; rather, we are writing that having your players not take a knee is not a case of being disrespectful. I doubt anyone warms up or gets ready by telling everyone to kneel down and drink water, so why would we choose to do so for a period of time in the middle of the game? I agree with you, actually my last game I think nobody did that because it was the conference championship game. Everybody was so focused in the game, plus the rain, that we just didnt do lol |
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Post by lws55 on Nov 25, 2018 6:41:47 GMT -6
My daughter was an athletic trainer at Mizzou she asked the Head Trainer why the players don’t take a knee during an injury, she had been a student trainer at her high school and they had always taken a knee, the head trainer told her that they didn’t want the players to tighten up so they were told to get water and move around. That was good enough for me. We stopped taking a knee and when parents complained I told them the same story I just told here, we got some flack the first couple of games but after that nobody said anything.
In California we were allowed to bring the players to the sideline and get them water and talk to them, never had any official tell us we had to stay on the sideline and the players had to stay at the numbers. As the HC I would always go out to check on the player that was injured and on the way out or the way back I would always coach up the boys on whatever they needed.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 25, 2018 9:51:22 GMT -6
Players are allowed to be on the numbers and coaches can talk to them so long as they don’t come onto the field. Throw them some water bottles and talk to them from the sideline. So I can't have my players come off the field? This is always a killer when I have a specialist type position get injured; say my starting center gets hurt and my back-up center is my guard. I'd like to have him get a couple practice snaps with the QB. Nah, you're good there. I had my starting QB getting checked out at one point this year, so I had the backup get some snaps with the center while the process bore itself out. |
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