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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 6:55:00 GMT -6
Depends on whether or not I feel I can pick up the 1st
If theyre owning the LOS all night I may consider taking that penalty
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2018 8:16:59 GMT -6
Depends on whether or not I feel I can pick up the 1st If theyre owning the LOS all night I may consider taking that penalty But you still have to pick up the first? Did you mean pick up the 1st by running the ball? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 12:34:56 GMT -6
Depends on whether or not I feel I can pick up the 1st If theyre owning the LOS all night I may consider taking that penalty But you still have to pick up the first? Did you mean pick up the 1st by running the ball? Yes, I did sorry shouldve clarified 3rd and 4 I may consider a slant if theyre stout against the run |
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Post by gccwolverine on Nov 18, 2018 22:06:37 GMT -6
If youre acceptimg the penalty you better be going pass pass if you take it and run it on 3rd down you should be fired. seriously? pass for 2 consecutive plays, im debating firing myself with that thinking. if you cant get 2 yards running the ball on both plays, then you should be fired. run the ball on 3rd, and with some success, run it again, stuffed at the line, play action pass. but no chance in hell im calling back to back best passes. and I like to throw the ball!!!!! all honesty, im taking my 4th down chance on under a yard, best player the ball in his hands, somehow. toss sweep, jet sweep, power, counter, zone read, triple option, dart, buck sweep, counter criss cross, power read, something with the best in our program with the ball, get me my 1 yard. run where they aint! Its math guy. 1 play at 18 inches or 2 plays at 4 yards. You need to run the ball for 2 yards a play in option 2 and only need to run it for 1.5 feet a play in option 1. If you back it up you have to throw the ball based purely on math otherwise just keep it where it was and run the ball. |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 18, 2018 22:44:09 GMT -6
seriously? pass for 2 consecutive plays, im debating firing myself with that thinking. if you cant get 2 yards running the ball on both plays, then you should be fired. run the ball on 3rd, and with some success, run it again, stuffed at the line, play action pass. but no chance in hell im calling back to back best passes. and I like to throw the ball!!!!! all honesty, im taking my 4th down chance on under a yard, best player the ball in his hands, somehow. toss sweep, jet sweep, power, counter, zone read, triple option, dart, buck sweep, counter criss cross, power read, something with the best in our program with the ball, get me my 1 yard. run where they aint! Its math guy. 1 play at 18 inches or 2 plays at 4 yards. You need to run the ball for 2 yards a play in option 2 and only need to run it for 1.5 feet a play in option 1. If you back it up you have to throw the ball based purely on math otherwise just keep it where it was and run the ball. Huh? I get the math but why does it dictate a pass definitely? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2018 6:46:52 GMT -6
Its math guy. 1 play at 18 inches or 2 plays at 4 yards. You need to run the ball for 2 yards a play in option 2 and only need to run it for 1.5 feet a play in option 1. If you back it up you have to throw the ball based purely on math otherwise just keep it where it was and run the ball. Huh? I get the math but why does it dictate a pass definitely? I think the idea is that everyone would agree it is easier to run the ball for 18 inches than it is to run for 4 yards. So if you are choosing a run as your play call, why would you want to have to tote it 4 yards as opposed to 18 inches. If you have tiled floor in your home, take a look. 1 and a 1/2 squares (common 12" tile) vs 12 full squares. As someone mentioned earlier, if you choose to take the penalty, and you don't gain at least 3 and a 1/2 yards on 3rd down, you "made a mistake" |
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Post by Victor on Nov 19, 2018 9:07:26 GMT -6
This scenario happened in the state semi-final tonight. I want to get your take on it. -Down 23-15, under 3:00 to play 4th quarter. -You're near midfield. -You pick up all but the final 18" needed for a first down, but there is also a penalty. -If you accept the penalty it leaves you 3rd down and 4. -If you decline the penalty it leaves your 4th and 18". -You have not exactly owned the LOS in the game so there is doubt you could pick up the foot and a half in one play. A QB sneak is not a no-brainer call here. What do you do? Take one crack at 18" or two cracks at 4-yards? Accept the penalty. The first play you could use going the snap on first sound or hard count to get the defense off balance |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2018 9:17:46 GMT -6
This scenario happened in the state semi-final tonight. I want to get your take on it. -Down 23-15, under 3:00 to play 4th quarter. -You're near midfield. -You pick up all but the final 18" needed for a first down, but there is also a penalty. -If you accept the penalty it leaves you 3rd down and 4. -If you decline the penalty it leaves your 4th and 18". -You have not exactly owned the LOS in the game so there is doubt you could pick up the foot and a half in one play. A QB sneak is not a no-brainer call here. What do you do? Take one crack at 18" or two cracks at 4-yards? Accept the penalty. The first play you could use going the snap on first sound or hard count to get the defense off balance And if they don't? Couldn't you do the exact same thing (hard count) on 4th and 18 inches? |
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Post by Victor on Nov 19, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -6
Accept the penalty. The first play you could use going the snap on first sound or hard count to get the defense off balance And if they don't? Couldn't you do the exact same thing (hard count) on 4th and 18 inches? I swear it was 18 YARDS hahahah |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2018 9:25:33 GMT -6
And if they don't? Couldn't you do the exact same thing (hard count) on 4th and 18 inches? I swear it was 18 YARDS hahahah Yeah, 3rd and 4 or 4th and 18 inches is a much different problem. There is no question what to do between 3rd and 4 or 4th and 18 yards..LOL. |
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Nov 19, 2018 12:58:09 GMT -6
3rd and 4. Unless your averaging 3 yards or less a rush it better to take the extra down. Time doesn't matter much in one score game at midfield with 3 minutes left. As far as, the what about a "bad play" view it actually supports two plays, because a bad play on 4th is the ball game, a bad play on 3rd gives me another shot.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2018 13:58:10 GMT -6
3rd and 4. Unless your averaging 3 yards or less a rush it better to take the extra down. Time doesn't matter much in one score game at midfield with 3 minutes left. As far as, the what about a "bad play" view it actually supports two plays, because a bad play on 4th is the ball game, a bad play on 3rd gives me another shot. But why would you choose to put yourself in a worse situation to run the ball, and then run the ball? I can absolutely see someone taking the penalty and choosing 3rd and 4. I just can't see why one would do that, and then run the ball (hoping to gain about 8 times the yardage necessary in the 4th down situation) |
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Nov 20, 2018 11:59:14 GMT -6
3rd and 4. Unless your averaging 3 yards or less a rush it better to take the extra down. Time doesn't matter much in one score game at midfield with 3 minutes left. As far as, the what about a "bad play" view it actually supports two plays, because a bad play on 4th is the ball game, a bad play on 3rd gives me another shot. But why would you choose to put yourself in a worse situation to run the ball, and then run the ball? I can absolutely see someone taking the penalty and choosing 3rd and 4. I just can't see why one would do that, and then run the ball (hoping to gain about 8 times the yardage necessary in the 4th down situation) Again, I think it comes down to averages, not to mention game theory. How are you defending 3rd and 4 when you know your opponent has two downs versus how your defending 4th and a half? I'm not saying I would necessarily run it on 3rd, but it would be an option. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 22, 2018 8:36:31 GMT -6
I am spread but 4th and inches.
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