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Post by paulsonj72 on Nov 6, 2018 23:42:48 GMT -6
How many football coaches eventually leave coaching to enter the rough and tough world of elected politics. I ask because a former High School Football assistant coach in Mankato MN was elected governor of Minnesota tonight.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 7, 2018 4:01:58 GMT -6
That's interesting. I actually have pondered it a few times myself when I haven't liked my representation. I also love politics, and could see myself seeking an office at some point down the line.
On a bigger scale, I'm surprised more coaches don't. Do you really think a guy like Saban, or any other major coach that is beloved by his fan base couldn't win something as high as a senate seat?
Note: Not saying they're qualified to do so. I'm sure some are. Just that they'd draw votes.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 7, 2018 6:15:16 GMT -6
I think they're probably like a lot of businessmen and couldn't handle the bs and red tape and inefficiency to get anything done. They're used to diagnosing problems and fixing them, not talking about it and blaming the coaches at the rival school.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 7, 2018 8:14:57 GMT -6
If you do have the interest, there's a group that exists to help first time candidates: runforsomething.net
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Post by fantom on Nov 7, 2018 8:19:44 GMT -6
I can't run for office. Most people have skeletons in the closet. Mine might bad well be sitting on the couch.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 7, 2018 8:35:42 GMT -6
I can't run for office. Most people have skeletons in the closet. Mine might bad well be sitting on the couch. Honestly, same. Not that I have anything drastic that I'm hiding. I just don't know if I'd want to put my entire family through that kind of scrutiny. I have a 4 year old with Down syndrome that I'd rather not make the subject of public attacks and memeing. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 7, 2018 10:18:10 GMT -6
In our state there are 2 coaches, one a former coach and one a current coach serving in the state house. Both were first elected while being an active coach.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 7, 2018 12:19:33 GMT -6
My HS coach was a state rep for years.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 7, 2018 12:51:13 GMT -6
That's interesting. I actually have pondered it a few times myself when I haven't liked my representation. I also love politics, and could see myself seeking an office at some point down the line. On a bigger scale, I'm surprised more coaches don't. Do you really think a guy like Saban, or any other major coach that is beloved by his fan base couldn't win something as high as a senate seat? Note: Not saying they're qualified to do so. I'm sure some are. Just that they'd draw votes. Tom Osborne. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 7, 2018 14:14:29 GMT -6
That's interesting. I actually have pondered it a few times myself when I haven't liked my representation. I also love politics, and could see myself seeking an office at some point down the line. On a bigger scale, I'm surprised more coaches don't. Do you really think a guy like Saban, or any other major coach that is beloved by his fan base couldn't win something as high as a senate seat? Note: Not saying they're qualified to do so. I'm sure some are. Just that they'd draw votes. . Although the pay and perks in the Senate are good they're not as good as what Saban gets now. |
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Post by paulsonj72 on Nov 7, 2018 16:31:35 GMT -6
I should mention that the newly elected Minnesota Governor had left coaching about a decade ago and had served in Congress for the last 12 years before running for(and winning) the governor;s race this year. BUT while he was coaching he was part of a state championship team in 1999 in Minnesota
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Post by planck on Nov 7, 2018 16:40:16 GMT -6
I think they're probably like a lot of businessmen and couldn't handle the bs and red tape and inefficiency to get anything done. They're used to diagnosing problems and fixing them, not talking about it and blaming the coaches at the rival school. Isn't that basically just a description of working in education too? Seems like a lot of coaches would be used to it. |
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Post by throwahitch on Nov 7, 2018 18:40:27 GMT -6
That's interesting. I actually have pondered it a few times myself when I haven't liked my representation. I also love politics, and could see myself seeking an office at some point down the line. On a bigger scale, I'm surprised more coaches don't. Do you really think a guy like Saban, or any other major coach that is beloved by his fan base couldn't win something as high as a senate seat? Note: Not saying they're qualified to do so. I'm sure some are. Just that they'd draw votes. I think Michael Jordan would win the presidency in a landslide. No matter policy party or against who. Honestly. |
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 8, 2018 8:28:37 GMT -6
It's like a lot of folks with politics, which is that I think (many, not all) coaches would make for faithful public servants, but (1) partisan politics/attack ads/rhetoric and all that stuff is probably both a turn off and a gating item and (2) one reason you see retired business people/lawyers/etc is that they are independently wealthy so they can take time to focus on running for (and spending to run for) office, whereas most coaches I know are trying to make a living and feed their families.
There's also the question about how much coaches know about policy issues (whether national or local, like fixing potholes), though query whether policy knowledge is really a job requirement these days (or has ever been).
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2018 9:36:12 GMT -6
That's interesting. I actually have pondered it a few times myself when I haven't liked my representation. I also love politics, and could see myself seeking an office at some point down the line. On a bigger scale, I'm surprised more coaches don't. Do you really think a guy like Saban, or any other major coach that is beloved by his fan base couldn't win something as high as a senate seat? Note: Not saying they're qualified to do so. I'm sure some are. Just that they'd draw votes. I think Michael Jordan would win the presidency in a landslide. No matter policy party or against who. Honestly. Really? And I am a HUGE Jordan fan. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 8, 2018 11:16:06 GMT -6
Just thinking about some guys that I think would be fun to have in office - Mike Ditka, Mike Leach, Bobby Knight, Jim Mora and, of course, Jerry Burns. Pressers would be awesome.
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Post by paulsonj72 on Nov 8, 2018 18:08:23 GMT -6
Just thinking about some guys that I think would be fun to have in office - Mike Ditka, Mike Leach, Bobby Knight, Jim Mora and, of course, Jerry Burns. Pressers would be awesome. You mean like this gem from 1989 from Jerry Burns. WARNING VERY VERY NSFW to edit as 1st post had an expletive visible) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 16:02:51 GMT -6
I can't run for office. Most people have skeletons in the closet. Mine might bad well be sitting on the couch. I used to think that, too, but then we elected our current President. Whatever you think of him politically (or even personally), you have to admit that dude had a lot of skeletons. Bankruptcies, divorces, well-known tabloid fodder, etc. Didn't hold him back, though. Heck, 2 guys currently indicted for fraud and several dead men won their elections the other day. I guess it just depends on how comfortable you are with the possibility those skeletons might be discovered more than it does the sheer fact that they exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 16:16:25 GMT -6
one reason you see retired business people/lawyers/etc is that they are independently wealthy so they can take time to focus on running for (and spending to run for) office, whereas most coaches I know are trying to make a living and feed their families. This is big. Teaching and coaching is already political as hell. If you run for any political office, you're just inviting a lot of meddling into your career there whether you win or lose. If you lose, or even if you win (local offices and most state rep. jobs don't pay jack), you're going to still need that gig and you would likely get canned for political reasons. This isn't a big deal if you're self employed or have the kind of money that a Saban or other big-time P5 coach would have, but if you're relying on a monthly paycheck, you have to consider your breadwinning gig and family's future at each turn. I once worked for a non-coach who had ran for a House seat as a Democrat. If you think coaches aren't supported in most places, try being the Democratic candidate in a red state. About all he had to show for his campaign efforts was $250 in fundraising, some credit card debt related to campaign expenses, 30lbs of weight gain from hustling for votes at county fairs. Meanwhile, his opponent sat at home and didn't hold a single event or run one ad, but still took 75% of the vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 7:26:38 GMT -6
Just thinking about some guys that I think would be fun to have in office - Mike Ditka, Mike Leach, Bobby Knight, Jim Mora and, of course, Jerry Burns. Pressers would be awesome. Ditka, a die hard Republican, almost ran against Obama for Senator from Illinois back in 2004. He says he still regrets not running and preventing the Obama Presidency. He feels that if he'd ran, he probably would have won and killed Obama's career. Leach would be funny to see on the Sunday morning talk shows and as a guest on Fox News, that's for sure. |
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Post by planck on Nov 11, 2018 9:39:54 GMT -6
Just thinking about some guys that I think would be fun to have in office - Mike Ditka, Mike Leach, Bobby Knight, Jim Mora and, of course, Jerry Burns. Pressers would be awesome. Ditka, a die hard Republican, almost ran against Obama for Senator from Illinois back in 2004. He says he still regrets not running and preventing the Obama Presidency. He feels that if he'd ran, he probably would have won and killed Obama's career. Leach would be funny to see on the Sunday morning talk shows and as a guest on Fox News, that's for sure. Ditka thinking he could derail Obama is just an indicator of how battered Ditka's brain is. The guy has always been more bluster than anything else. Hell, "his" bears teams were really a product of Buddy Ryan (another blowhard, but a guy who knew football).
Don't believe me? I'll trade you all of my draftpicks for Ricky Williams.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 11, 2018 10:10:16 GMT -6
How many football coaches eventually leave coaching to enter the rough and tough world of elected politics. I ask because a former High School Football assistant coach in Mankato MN was elected governor of Minnesota tonight. It probably isn't terribly uncommon for a teacher/coach to retire and run for a school board seat. Key word retire. As spreadattack points out local level politics isn't necessarily a full time/bread winning/mortgage paying gig. I don't know too many HS teachers who leave teaching pre retirement to run for office. I also think there is a world of difference between local level, state level, and national level politics which needs to be considered in any discussion. |
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