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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 22:32:40 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school?
Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them?
Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 2, 2018 7:02:13 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school? Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them? Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter. The 2018 NFL procedure policy manual states that head coaches should check their twitter feed before reporting to work each day.
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Post by fantom on Nov 2, 2018 7:04:15 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school? Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them? Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter. The 2018 NFL procedure policy manual states that head coaches should check their twitter feed before reporting to work each day. Imagine how bad it must be in basketball and hockey.
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Post by olcoach53 on Nov 2, 2018 7:10:04 GMT -6
I would imagine the owner calls them in the office, explains to them that they are moving in a different direction, allows them to clean out their personal belongings and then changes the locks on all the doors.
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Post by WTR on Nov 2, 2018 7:19:24 GMT -6
I imagine all cases are different, especially in college. USC fired Lane Kiffin in the airport terminal after a game. NFL probably has more of a procedure that must be followed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 7:22:45 GMT -6
The 2018 NFL procedure policy manual states that head coaches should check their twitter feed before reporting to work each day. Wait, the NFL does that, too? I thought that was just our school district.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 7:25:08 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school? Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them? Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter. With the massive buyouts the major college guys get when they're fired, I would imagine they go through the coach's attorney and/or agent first. It's not like HS where they can just tell you to go kick rocks at any time and that's the end of it. Not sure about the NFL, because you never hear about NFL coaches having multi-million dollar buyouts that make them difficult to justify firing.
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 2, 2018 7:56:24 GMT -6
I imagine all cases are different, especially in college. USC fired Lane Kiffin in the airport terminal after a game. NFL probably has more of a procedure that must be followed. I just recently heard the story about how Kiffin got into coaching, it's worth looking up but I'll paraphrase so kiffen is a 5th year senior qb at fresno but it's clear that david carr is going to become the starter going into the season, so one afternoon they gear up for a full pads practice and lane comes out in shorts and t-shirt, so the qb coach asks him what the hell he thinks he's doing and he says "why should I go full pads when our just going to give David all my reps anyway?" so he gets kicked out of practice........apparently his dad (longtime NFL coach Monte Kiffen) calls up to the university to get the whole thing sorted out. Next practice Kiffen has a clipboard and is the assistant wide receivers coach
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Nov 2, 2018 8:35:34 GMT -6
I always like the Bobby Knight line, when the NBA fires the head coach and hires his assistant to replace him...
"What's management saying??? this guy has all the answers, but was to afraid to speak up?"
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 2, 2018 9:29:05 GMT -6
I imagine all cases are different, especially in college. USC fired Lane Kiffin in the airport terminal after a game. NFL probably has more of a procedure that must be followed. I doubt the league cares how their clubs handle it.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 2, 2018 10:00:33 GMT -6
It's like being fired in any other private company -- there's the soft element (meeting to say going in a different direction) and the technical one (mostly whatever the employment agreement says about notice of termination). They can make it smooth or hardline depending on the club culture and the anticipated reaction. Even if they aren't happy these guys all want to get hired again, so hard to imagine an NFL head coach having to be physically removed from the building.
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Post by dubber on Nov 2, 2018 11:08:31 GMT -6
I've always thought the only thing better than being the head coach of a power 5/NFL would be becoming a FIRED HC of a power 5/NFL.
"Yeah, sorry to hear about the 16 hour days......anyway I gotta get back to the tiki bar...…"
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Post by 33coach on Nov 2, 2018 11:33:52 GMT -6
The 2018 NFL procedure policy manual states that head coaches should check their twitter feed before reporting to work each day. Imagine how bad it must be in basketball and hockey. at this point in hockey. the average fan on twitter gets to decide if a coach is fired or not, or if a player gets fined or suspended.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 2, 2018 11:40:33 GMT -6
At most companies they message "please bring your computer and keys up stairs" and you know it before you know it.
At FAU I think Coach Partridge said something similar, like security stood outside his office and walked him out, gave him one hour and the laptop and phone had to be handed over to security. "Here's your box, you have one hour"
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Post by silkyice on Nov 2, 2018 11:44:39 GMT -6
I've always thought the only thing better than being the head coach of a power 5/NFL would be becoming a FIRED HC of a power 5/NFL. "Yeah, sorry to hear about the 16 hour days......anyway I gotta get back to the tiki bar...…" YES. Please throw me in that briar patch!
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Post by klaby on Nov 2, 2018 11:55:44 GMT -6
You know in Hard Knocks they always showed the guy getting cut. When the Rams were on the Amazon Prime series and fired Jeff Fisher there was no footage. Except Fisher at the compound seeing the team bus off for a game....so i would figure its pretty professional and non-confrontational...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 13:05:18 GMT -6
I've always thought the only thing better than being the head coach of a power 5/NFL would be becoming a FIRED HC of a power 5/NFL. "Yeah, sorry to hear about the 16 hour days......anyway I gotta get back to the tiki bar...…" I wonder if this, like some bizarro football version of "The Producers," was Jackson's plan all along. Probably got the idea from Lane Kiffin.
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Post by fantom on Nov 2, 2018 16:24:06 GMT -6
You know in Hard Knocks they always showed the guy getting cut. When the Rams were on the Amazon Prime series and fired Jeff Fisher there was no footage. Except Fisher at the compound seeing the team bus off for a game....so i would figure its pretty professional and non-confrontational... I think most guys have an idea that it's coming.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 2, 2018 17:53:41 GMT -6
From what I've seen, unless it's somehow acrimonious or there's cause involved, they'll call the guy in, deliver the news, he has a little time to sort out his office, and they make a press statement. Asking for his gear back would look weirdly petty, Al Davis-esque. It's not like he's likely to wear it around, and it would be really weird asking him to rummage through his closet to find an outstanding polo. Both parties have a desire to move on.
Contracts being contracts the team will have to pay him out for the duration usually. In college there's sometimes complicated buyouts because there's more risk of guys getting poached so both parties try to write in some protective clauses. In the NFL you can't poach another team's HC so that's not a concern.
There's not a lot of IP that he could steal that's of any value, it's pretty much all in his head already anyway. If he wants to sell off his knowledge of the team's system he doesn't need to take anything with him. There's not usually a need to have him be walked out, and it's typically timed so that it all happens off-peak hours.
The actual firing is a pretty uneventful meeting with HR, the owner/GM, and maybe "Tessio."
Of course, if he's being fired for cause this becomes a whole different thing. HR may box his stuff for him and walk him directly from the meeting to the parking lot.
Everyone's on electronic keys nowadays so they'd email Bob at security to cancel his card.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 2, 2018 18:46:03 GMT -6
From what I've seen, unless it's somehow acrimonious or there's cause involved, they'll call the guy in, deliver the news, he has a little time to sort out his office, and they make a press statement. Asking for his gear back would look weirdly petty, Al Davis-esque. It's not like he's likely to wear it around, and it would be really weird asking him to rummage through his closet to find an outstanding polo. Both parties have a desire to move on. Contracts being contracts the team will have to pay him out for the duration usually. In college there's sometimes complicated buyouts because there's more risk of guys getting poached so both parties try to write in some protective clauses. In the NFL you can't poach another team's HC so that's not a concern. There's not a lot of IP that he could steal that's of any value, it's pretty much all in his head already anyway. If he wants to sell off his knowledge of the team's system he doesn't need to take anything with him. There's not usually a need to have him be walked out, and it's typically timed so that it all happens off-peak hours. The actual firing is a pretty uneventful meeting with HR, the owner/GM, and maybe "Tessio." Of course, if he's being fired for cause this becomes a whole different thing. HR may box his stuff for him and walk him directly from the meeting to the parking lot. Everyone's on electronic keys nowadays so they'd email Bob at security to cancel his card. I was joking about giving the gear back.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 3, 2018 21:04:13 GMT -6
Well, I guess now you know for sure.
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Post by Yash on Nov 3, 2018 21:50:58 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school? Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them? Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter. Also, do they hire people mid season to replace the duties of the guys who are promoted on interim basis??? Or do guys now have to do double duty? In browns case are they coaching 2 guys short rest of season?
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Nov 4, 2018 7:23:42 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school? Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them? Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter. Also, do they hire people mid season to replace the duties of the guys who are promoted on interim basis??? Or do guys now have to do double duty? In browns case are they coaching 2 guys short rest of season? Browns promotes their RB coach as OC, then hired someone to be the RBs coach. Not sure if he was in the organization before or not.
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Post by Yash on Nov 4, 2018 10:29:19 GMT -6
Tough spot to be, learn everything system and team wide mid season and try to have success.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 4, 2018 13:53:56 GMT -6
They've got enough assistant position coaches and quality control people (which is a weird misnomer but hey) that you can just domino the promotions until the missing spot isn't really critical, and if you do replace him mid season it's not going to have a huge impact.
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