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Post by newhope on Oct 29, 2018 12:09:57 GMT -6
I'd say in our area, there is one team above everyone (two time defending state champions), a few teams a couple of touchdowns at least below them, then the majority of the teams in the area who could beat each other on any given night, then a few that aren't too god, and at least one who is not in the least competitive with anyone. A bell curve you might say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 12:56:42 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some of the blowouts and "close games" has to do with the rise of spread offenses in certain areas.
If you're a bad Wing-T team, at least you're running the ball a lot, not turning it over too much, and shortening the game. If you're a bad spread team, you're throwing incompletions and INTs--that can snowball quickly.
Is that how it is in your area?
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Post by coachcb on Oct 29, 2018 14:26:25 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some of the blowouts and "close games" has to do with the rise of spread offenses in certain areas. If you're a bad Wing-T team, at least you're running the ball a lot, not turning it over too much, and shortening the game. If you're a bad spread team, you're throwing incompletions and INTs--that can snowball quickly. Is that how it is in your area? Good point, coach. The fourth seed in our division was destroyed in the first round of the play-offs. They're a pretty tough team so we were shocked. The box score said it all; their QB was like 20-50 for around 150 yards and 5 picks. Couple that with two fumbles by the running back and you're in for a long day.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Oct 29, 2018 23:07:51 GMT -6
Southern California is pretty polarized like that. I’d honestly say any given Friday, 75% of the scores are decided by three TD’s or more.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Oct 31, 2018 14:01:42 GMT -6
Here in Arizona there is a proposal, for football only, to use the Maxpreps rankings, taking a four year average, and establishing five, 40 school conferences (we have 215, 11-man playing football schools). Then every two years you can play your way out of either up or down.
Not sure how it will work, but I think the maxprep rankings are pretty true..
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 31, 2018 14:53:47 GMT -6
That’s not the worst idea out there. It has the benefit of max preps being more-or-less apolitical.
Our league has three classes, and while there’s some relegation and promotion there’s also a lot of politics and a lot of it comes down to upper-division teams not wanting to increase their traveling so certain teams can basically never get promoted. All in all it works ok.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 31, 2018 15:04:02 GMT -6
The largest classification of our state has 3 "regions". In the last 9 years one region has had the same champion 7 times, one has had the same champion 8 times, and one had had the same champion 9 straight times. 9 time champion is also a 9 time state champion in that time frame.
So on a macro level, not very competitive.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2018 17:13:52 GMT -6
What is the reason that the state doesn't set areas/regions and you have to play everyone in your area/region and that determines who makes the playoffs? I don't care how many are in each area/ region or how many make it.
In Alabama, it is around 8 in each region and 4 make it. I don't care if it is 4 in your area and 2 make it. Or 6 and 4 make it or whatever. But from what I am familiar with, it boggles my mind that there aren't areas/regions in some states.
I get there could be some extreme cases of geography in Montana, etc., but other than that what is the reason that a state doesn't do that?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2018 17:29:58 GMT -6
Here in Arizona there is a proposal, for football only, to use the Maxpreps rankings, taking a four year average, and establishing five, 40 school conferences (we have 215, 11-man playing football schools). Then every two years you can play your way out of either up or down. Not sure how it will work, but I think the maxprep rankings are pretty true.. I have always hated the idea of non voluntary promotion up the scale. Why should a school that is doing the right things to improve their program be "punished" by having to play up against schools with larger enrollments? Now, if it is a situation where a smaller class private school in a larger metropolitan area somehow seems to have 7 Division 1 kids signing a year (I am looking at you Evangel Christian and John Curtis in Louisiana) that is one thing. But just good solid success and a run of good kids means that the next group of seniors may have to play up? That doesn't seem to make sense. Or a team that is just getting it done at a top team level, why should they then have to compete in a higher class?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 5:54:35 GMT -6
Here in Arizona there is a proposal, for football only, to use the Maxpreps rankings, taking a four year average, and establishing five, 40 school conferences (we have 215, 11-man playing football schools). Then every two years you can play your way out of either up or down. Not sure how it will work, but I think the maxprep rankings are pretty true.. The idea of legitimizing Maxpreps like that and using it for official districting is pretty crazy. Around here it's seen as more of a joke/parent site than anything else. Years ago I coached at a place where the kids discovered Maxpreps and became obsessed with their stats on there. They really thought they were the #2 sophomore LB in the nation if Maxpreps said they were. They'd come asking me how to get recruited by SEC schools.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Nov 1, 2018 6:11:19 GMT -6
Here in Arizona there is a proposal, for football only, to use the Maxpreps rankings, taking a four year average, and establishing five, 40 school conferences (we have 215, 11-man playing football schools). Then every two years you can play your way out of either up or down. Not sure how it will work, but I think the maxprep rankings are pretty true.. The idea of legitimizing Maxpreps like that and using it for official districting is pretty crazy. Around here it's seen as more of a joke/parent site than anything else. Years ago I coached at a place where the kids discovered Maxpreps and became obsessed with their stats on there. They really thought they were the #2 sophomore LB in the nation if Maxpreps said they were. They'd come asking me how to get recruited by SEC schools. I remember bragging to my friends in HS because maxpreps said I was tied for #10 in the nation for sacks after week one (2 sacks). Maxpreps is turning into a joke around here. Half of the rosters (including ours, sadly) are incomplete, littered players that quit four years ago, and with no height or weight for any player. Stats are almost never listed. Sometimes the schedules are incorrect as well. If someone types in “Midway High School” as an opponent on the schedule, chances are you’re getting Midway, MO (130 kids) and not the one from Waco, TX. This screws with the “strength of schedule” on their rankings. If we were going to rely on any website’s rankings, I’d feel much safer with a source like CalPreps or Massey Ratings. They seem to be more analytical and less prone to error than Maxpreps.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 9:18:20 GMT -6
Maxpreps is turning into a joke around here. Half of the rosters (including ours, sadly) are incomplete, littered players that quit four years ago, and with no height or weight for any player. Stats are almost never listed. Sometimes the schedules are incorrect as well. If someone types in “Midway High School” as an opponent on the schedule, chances are you’re getting Midway, MO (130 kids) and not the one from Waco, TX. This screws with the “strength of schedule” on their rankings. If we were going to rely on any website’s rankings, I’d feel much safer with a source like CalPreps or Massey Ratings. They seem to be more analytical and less prone to error than Maxpreps. You're exactly right. Stats and rosters don't matter to me, but I've noticed a lot of problems with Maxpreps' schedules which would be a big deal if an association was going to base their classification system off it. Sometimes they'll have a JV game listed as varsity, or it's incomplete, or the same opponent is on there 2 times, or they list a scrimmage as an actual game, or they have mixed and matched the wrong schedules from two schools with similar names (we have a Midway High School in TN, too). They'll let anybody sign up to report this stuff. It's just a useless mess.
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