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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 14:37:00 GMT -6
It seems like just about every game in our area is decided well before kick off happens. Only handful of games across 6 classifications are competitive each week (defined as within 3 TDs) and many have a running clock to start the second half, simply due to massive talent disparities. I'd say that about half the games here are blowouts with a 30+ point differentials. The same teams are at the top of the conferences each year and the same ones make up the bottom, too, with maybe 10% moving from one group into the other from year to year. Is it like that everywhere?
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Post by silkyice on Oct 26, 2018 14:57:01 GMT -6
It seems like just about every game in our area is decided well before kick off happens. Only handful of games across 6 classifications are competitive each week (defined as within 3 TDs) and many have a running clock to start the second half, simply due to massive talent disparities. I'd say that about half the games here are blowouts with a 30+ point differentials. The same teams are at the top of the conferences each year and the same ones make up the bottom, too, with maybe 10% moving from one group into the other from year to year. Is it like that everywhere? This year, we have had 4 games that literally were decided in the last 30 seconds.
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Post by dubber on Oct 26, 2018 14:59:29 GMT -6
No.
We had a couple undefeated seasons in 2015-2016.
In the 2015 year, only one team was within a score.
In 2016, we had 2-3 games like that.
In 2017, we went 5-5.
This season we are 8-2 with 5 of those wins not being decided until the 4th quarter......we are a talented young team that will return 20 starters next season, so 2019 we expect less close games.
There are some teams that seem destined for the cellar, but the top half of our conference is scratching and clawing every year
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Post by dubber on Oct 26, 2018 15:00:04 GMT -6
It seems like just about every game in our area is decided well before kick off happens. Only handful of games across 6 classifications are competitive each week (defined as within 3 TDs) and many have a running clock to start the second half, simply due to massive talent disparities. I'd say that about half the games here are blowouts with a 30+ point differentials. The same teams are at the top of the conferences each year and the same ones make up the bottom, too, with maybe 10% moving from one group into the other from year to year. Is it like that everywhere? This year, we have had 4 games that literally were decided in the last 30 seconds. That chit’ll kill you
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Post by agap on Oct 26, 2018 15:48:56 GMT -6
For the most part, yes.
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Post by CS on Oct 26, 2018 15:53:16 GMT -6
We are in a 4 way tie for second right now
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Post by bleefb on Oct 26, 2018 16:53:59 GMT -6
I would say that over half the games in the Sacramento, Ca area are 40 point blow-outs every week.
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Post by CS on Oct 26, 2018 21:56:10 GMT -6
We are in a 4 way tie for second right now Still in a 4 way tie for second
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 26, 2018 22:02:20 GMT -6
Tons of games end up 50-7ish every week around here. There are maybe 10 games a week that are actual contests and the rest are over before the season ever starts.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 26, 2018 22:25:21 GMT -6
State quarter finals 40+ to 0 40+ to 12 40+ to 6 and a 28-21 game so yep some blow outs and this is palyoffs----what really sucks is we were a 6 tonight- turn in gear on Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 6:54:02 GMT -6
State quarter finals 40+ to 0 40+ to 12 40+ to 6 and a 28-21 game so yep some blow outs and this is palyoffs----what really sucks is we were a 6 tonight- turn in gear on Monday. Regular season just ended here and playoffs start next week. Our playoff system is kind of weird (36 publics and 10 privates made it with losing records, including an 0-9 team), so those bad teams usually get matched up against 9 and 10 win powerhouses, then the good teams get a conference rematch in the 2nd round. It usually takes about 2-3 rounds to weed those games and get competitive. In the smallest classification, there's a team who won their conference and will have had 3 weeks off before their next game after their week 10 opponent forfeited the end of their season due to attrition and their would-be 1-9 first round opponent from a 4 team conference (everyone in that one gets an automatic bid) was banned from the post-season after forfeiting a playoff game 2 years ago. So they played 9 games... then get to rest for 3 weeks before a likely rematch with the #3 team from their own conference in the second round. Ironically, the reason that their would-be playoff opponent is banned from the post-season is because 2 years ago that team was also 1-9 and their players all quit rather than play this team in the first round, forcing a forfeit in the playoffs.
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Post by morris on Oct 27, 2018 6:54:26 GMT -6
We see it in the early rounds of the playoffs. There are always a good number of them in the season. The top teams in our state have started to play more and more out of state teams.
We went to 6 classes a little over 10 years ago. I feel like if we went back to 4 we would have a little less of it. I know that doesn’t make a ton of since but that’s the way it feels. We are in the 5th largest classification but in the bottom third as far as enrollment numbers. If we went to 4 classes would be paired up with much more compriable teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 7:15:51 GMT -6
We see it in the early rounds of the playoffs. There are always a good number of them in the season. The top teams in our state have started to play more and more out of state teams. We went to 6 classes a little over 10 years ago. I feel like if we went back to 4 we would have a little less of it. I know that doesn’t make a ton of since but that’s the way it feels. We are in the 5th largest classification but in the bottom third as far as enrollment numbers. If we went to 4 classes would be paired up with much more compriable teams. That's kind of how it is here. We have 6 classifications for publics and 3 for privates. Each public school conference is divided into 8 conferences, where the top 4 teams qualify. The thing is, there are some small conferences out there where you don't even need to win a game or you just have to beat 1-2 terrible teams to make it. The privates are different, but almost all of them qualify since we have few privates with football teams in our state. This is actually better than what we had before. For a while we had a goofy system with 3 classes for the regular season that was split into 6 for playoffs, so you'd have schools of 2200 playing schools of 1100 or schools of 400 playing schools of 200 in the same class and just annihilating them every week, then a super complex point system our association couldn't even keep straight to determine playoff qualifiers and playoff seeding. That was done to save on travel. After complaining about that, we scrapped that for a 5+"Super 32" class system where the largest 32 schools were pulled out and put into one class together where they all got automatic playoff bids (even if it meant they went 0-10, drove 3 hours for each conference game, and then had to drive 4.5 hours and put their kids in a hotel room halfway across the state just to get blown out in the first round). The other 5 classes had automatic qualifiers if you finished in the top 4. That was also a giant mess. I heard that one school in our area had to pay thousands to go get their teeth kicked in when it was all said and done.
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Post by morris on Oct 27, 2018 7:29:04 GMT -6
We don’t have enough privates to put them in their own class and honestly it would be pretty unfair to them. We reclassify every 4 years I believe. Next year our district will add two of the top 6A teams to our 5 A district. When I say top I mean they are in the top 5 in the state. The third and fourth place teams in our district will play for the privilege to play one of the top current 5A teams. So next year we will end up playing three of the top 5 or so teams in the whole state. That’s some rough sledding. If we were in 4 classes it would be a little different. We would be a pretty decent 4A team in our current classification but 5A is pretty tough for us.
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -6
There is marked difference between the "Haves" and "Have nots" within conferences in my area, which leads to a lot of blowouts every week.
As far as playoffs we have eight 11-man divisions. All teams with six or more wins get in plus as many five-win teams with highest playoff points averages as necessary to fill 32 teams per division (256 total or 47% of schools).
Nevertheless there are many games that are decided by three or more scores. For example, out of 111 first-round (Pre-District) contests played last night, the margin of victory was 20 points or more in 53.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Oct 27, 2018 8:24:25 GMT -6
In Missouri, everyone gets to make the playoffs. The 8-team seeded district tournaments we use to kick off the postseason are just bloodbaths. There were 2-3 forfeits, and at least 5 games that surpassed the 80-0 mark. We were a #2 seed playing a #7 seed, and had one of the “closer” games as we beat them 56-7 (scored one on our JV at the end). We played a pretty horrible game, too.
This is why the playoffs should be earned IMO.
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Post by CS on Oct 27, 2018 8:34:50 GMT -6
In Missouri, everyone gets to make the playoffs. The 8-team seeded district tournaments we use to kick off the postseason are just bloodbaths. There were 2-3 forfeits, and at least 5 games that surpassed the 80-0 mark. We were a #2 seed playing a #7 seed, and had one of the “closer” games as we beat them 56-7 (scored one on our JV at the end). We played a pretty horrible game, too. This is why the playoffs should be earned IMO. That is crazy
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 27, 2018 8:59:50 GMT -6
In a similar vein, How much variety do you see regarding teams and deep playoff runs. For Example, Pre "select/non select split" (basically public/private split) Louisiana had 5 Classes in the playoffs (20 Semi final opportunities) I bet over a 10 year span, the vast majority of those 200 opportunities were filled by a small number of teams. Essentially, in a 60 team classification, it is basically the same group of 15 teams or so with any chance to make noise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 9:19:27 GMT -6
In a similar vein, How much variety do you see regarding teams and deep playoff runs. For Example, Pre "select/non select split" (basically public/private split) Louisiana had 5 Classes in the playoffs (20 Semi final opportunities) I bet over a 10 year span, the vast majority of those 200 opportunities were filled by a small number of teams. Essentially, in a 60 team classification, it is basically the same group of 15 teams or so with any chance to make noise. This is a good point. In my area, we're NE of Knoxville. The Knoxville, Nashville, and Memphis metros are the top producers of talent in our state and some of their suburban schools really commit to being good at football, so they dominate the scene. By the third round, everyone has usually been slaughtered on both ends of the state by one of the same few powerhouse schools from each area, who always fight it out for the gold ball.
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Post by carookie on Oct 27, 2018 9:39:34 GMT -6
In Missouri, everyone gets to make the playoffs. The 8-team seeded district tournaments we use to kick off the postseason are just bloodbaths. There were 2-3 forfeits, and at least 5 games that surpassed the 80-0 mark. We were a #2 seed playing a #7 seed, and had one of the “closer” games as we beat them 56-7 (scored one on our JV at the end). We played a pretty horrible game, too. This is why the playoffs should be earned IMO. In Southern California we practice 'Competitive Equity' which is a fancy way of saying punishing success and rewarding failure. Individual leagues matter nothing in regards to what division you are in for the playoffs- there are 13 divisions for the playoffs as there are 385 schools with teams. All that matters is how good of a team you were the past 2 years (sample size they look at for ranking). For example there is a league out here with one school who is in D1 (the top playoff division) and multiple other schools in D13 (the lowest). You get wild swings of realignment every year for schools as well. I was at school that was a d9 school and made it to the title game, next year moved up to d5 except that they lost all their good players who made the title run possible and had no business being in D5, so they got crushed. They are all the way back in D12 now and will probably run the table. Additionally, you get small schools matching up with schools that are larger than they are and creating a safety issue. I have seen small schools of 200 (18 man roster) draw schools of 2,500+ (60+ man roster). This punishes the small school for succeeding relative to their school size while rewards the large school with an unfair draw despite the fact that due to their school size they should be in a higher division. This is done, they say, to try to ensure there are different teams making it to the playoffs, and winning, every year- we want to reward the uniforms and not the kids (sorry son, you guys are winning a lot your Senior year, but since you did good your Soph & Jr years we want to move you up to a division where despite your school size you wont win anymore). But really it is done for money, and to try to keep big schools in the playoffs longer. Still get plenty of playoff blowouts though
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Post by fantom on Oct 27, 2018 10:12:43 GMT -6
Here are the scores from last night's games. A lot of games were postponed because of weather.
Friday Night High School Football Scores
Landstown 25 at Tallwood 21 - FINAL Oscar Smith 38 at Western Branch 0 - FINAL Jamestown 7 vs Warhill 35 - FINAL Tabb 30 at Bruton 0 - FINAL Cox 22 at Salem 24 - FINAL Green Run 0 at First Colonial 24 - FINAL Bayside 30 at Kellam 8 - FINAL
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Post by wingtol on Oct 27, 2018 10:55:26 GMT -6
It seems like just about every game in our area is decided well before kick off happens. Only handful of games across 6 classifications are competitive each week (defined as within 3 TDs) and many have a running clock to start the second half, simply due to massive talent disparities. I'd say that about half the games here are blowouts with a 30+ point differentials. The same teams are at the top of the conferences each year and the same ones make up the bottom, too, with maybe 10% moving from one group into the other from year to year. Is it like that everywhere? Sounds like our district this year. Our wonderful district committee re-did the regions(leagues) this year, we had a 4 team region but had to play crossover games with the other 4 team region in our class. Was a blood bath as the other teams are heads and shoulders above our region. So come playoff time 3 teams opted out because we had already been smashed by the teams we would have matched up in the first round. Had some nice balanced regions but they changed it last minute to our current format. Three classes have basically had the first round of playoffs washed out because teams opted out, so district is losing revenue from no first round playoff games. Serves them right.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 27, 2018 11:52:55 GMT -6
We see a lot of top heavy and bottom heavy regions. 2 or 3 really really good teams. 2 or 3 really really bad teams. We happen to be a mid pack team with a brutal schedule. We are 3-6 against maybe the toughest schedule in our class. We aren’t that bad. And one region over either way we are probably 7-3.
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Post by mrjvi on Oct 27, 2018 12:10:36 GMT -6
realdawg-We are the same and in an almost identical situation. 5 Teams in our classification have won or been to the state title game in the last 6 or so years while some have never won more than 1-2 games.
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Post by dubber on Oct 29, 2018 3:15:52 GMT -6
I mean, talent disparity is the greatest at the high school level, and there are always certain teams at either the top or the bottom, but I couldn’t imagine going through a nine game season knowing our record before game one.
There is always 2-3 games every season that could be either way (this year, there have been 8)......those games are the kind that help build your program
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 29, 2018 6:17:03 GMT -6
In our six team division there were 24 games played amongst ourselves. One team was 8-0 and demolished everyone, they’re on a 31-1 run. One team was 0-8 and couldn’t be classified as a “football team” per se. So those 14 games were a waste of time. Of what’s left half are blowouts and the rest are competitive-ish, either in score or at least you went in thinking it might be close.
It happens a lot that a game features two even teams but one team takes a lead and slowly runs away with it. So games that seemed like they’d be competitive don’t finish that way.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 29, 2018 8:02:58 GMT -6
It happens a lot that a game features two even teams but one team takes a lead and slowly runs away with it. So games that seemed like they’d be competitive don’t finish that way. Just talking semantics here, but couldn't that still be classified as a "competitive" game? Competitive doesn't have to mean close. Competitive to me means that even the better team has to work to win and have a few breaks to blowout. We all have seen and played in games that we won or lost by 21, but think we could win if just a few things or plays change.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 29, 2018 8:43:18 GMT -6
Yes, I’d say they were “competitive” because we went in not knowing who would win. But it’s not a 7-point game that became 21 because of a couple breaks, it’s a shellacking from the opening kickoff, you just don’t know which team is going to show up to play.
I don’t know why, this is the only league I’ve really seen that, but it’s been two seasons where I’ve noticed that a certain team will just not show up to the game and get blown out by 40 despite the teams being evenly matched.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 29, 2018 8:47:13 GMT -6
It depends on the division within our classification. Our division is pretty competitive with most games being decided by 2 scores of less. The other divisions tend to have one-two tough that blow everyone out and then compete against each other, a few middle-tier teams that fight it out for the third and fourth seed in the playoffs and then a few low-tier teams that everyone wails on.
The the first round of the play-offs are generally lopsided games, the quarterfinals are only slightly more competitive and then the semis are a dog-fight. But, that is because we have three perennial powerhouses in our classification and two of them are in the same division.
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Post by joelee on Oct 29, 2018 8:52:30 GMT -6
In our state i've seen 2 things happening. When a school is a "have not" kids just decide they aren't going to bother playing for that team and they become even more "have not". In a similar vein many teams here lack mental toughness and either decide before the game who is going to win or at the first sign of adversity the scores begin to snowball. Its been a trend here at least over the last 5 years.
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