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Post by fshamrock on Oct 23, 2018 9:02:36 GMT -6
stop doing it
you're making us all look bad and it's insulting to the band kids, the only people who like this are dumb people/self righteous band parents/and AD's looking for twitter fodder
dumb people - "ooh look at that there, those boys out supportin' the band same as the band supports them errrrr'
false: The football players are coerced into going, which is insulting to the band kids and the hard work that they put in, as if they needed justification of their value by having the mighty football team show up, also, at a friday night football game the band is not there to support the team, they are part of the experience, if they weren't performing at the game, odds are good that none of them would bother to go
self righteous band parents: "we are going to make sure that our kids feel special too"
false: as I said before, this is incredibly insulting to your kids, "hey sally, me and a bunch of the other moms raised a big stink publicly and now they are making the football team come to your band competition...does that make you feel good?"...."no?".."well it definitely makes me feel good because I get to feel like I took those cocky football people down a peg!"
twitter fodder AD's - you guys are all going to put on a jersey and take a picture of us at the band competition so that I can tweet about it and promote myself for when I go 3-7 next year or start looking for another job, also I am a believer, husband, father, uncle, 3rd cousin, leader of men, platoon commander of the bulldogs #squad up, #GATA
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I"m not saying that something like this isn't a cool thing to do...it is if it happened organically...if a bunch of football kids said "hey man the band is awesome and they are fun to listen to and they are our friends....let's go to their competition!"...that would be really cool and probably great for both sets of kids
forcing your football kids to do it so you can placate some angry parents or make yourself look good has nothing to do with kids and is dumb please stop
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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2018 9:35:21 GMT -6
What are you talking about?
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Post by pistola on Oct 23, 2018 10:10:56 GMT -6
Ive never really thought of a public show of support as dumb or insulting.. I also never felt like the people who do this make me look bad. Apparently you've taken it personally this time.
Also I would hate to promote community in the school.. would be a real shame
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 23, 2018 10:18:52 GMT -6
What are you talking about? maybe it's not happening everywhere...sorry....but the latest "twitter coach" trend is to send your football team in their jerseys to the band competition and tweet about |
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 23, 2018 10:25:49 GMT -6
Ive never really thought of a public show of support as dumb or insulting.. I also never felt like the people who do this make me look bad. Apparently you've taken it personally this time. Also I would hate to promote community in the school.. would be a real shame I'm not against the practice itself, just the motivation behind it, I don't like coaches using their influence over kids as props for their own ego stroke, coaches who choose not to do this (like me and other cool dudes like me) are now taking heat from parents like "why don't we support the band like coach _______ over at _________ high school" to which we would like to respond with "ma'am coach ___________ over there at that high school is a complete psychopath that probably irons his socks and cranks off to guns n ammo magazine" and I stand by my statement that it's insulting to the band kids, to think that they need the football team to show up to validate them somehow, band kids love being and band and could really give a rats ass if they are supported by the football team or not the most vivid example of how dumb the practice is, is that every twitter warrior coach that is sending out these photos of their team at the band competition has the team wearing their jerseys.....it's not about supporting the band, it's about visibly supporting the band so everybody knows you are doing it hence the ego stroke hence I don't like it if ya'll are good with it then please ignore and continue rowing the boat and coming up with acronyms |
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Oct 23, 2018 10:35:21 GMT -6
We sent our kids to a volleyball game, not sure if they had their jerseys on or not, and they had an absolute blast. Not sure they’d give the same reaction at a band competition, but I don’t think there’s any harm in it at all.
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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2018 10:35:31 GMT -6
What are you talking about? maybe it's not happening everywhere...sorry....but the latest "twitter coach" trend is to send your football team in their jerseys to the band competition and tweet about . No, this isn't a thing here. Telling our guys to give up some of the little free time that they have isn't something that I'd support. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Oct 23, 2018 10:41:32 GMT -6
If band kids weren't performing only a handful would go to the games - those are kids that actually like football or the social atmosphere around it. If not forced, only a couple (if any) football kids would go to the band performance. I think forcing kids to show what great guys they are is stupid. When I coached middle school way back in the day the cheerleaders would do their halftime routine and then pick up their stuff and leave, sometimes walking across the middle of the field while we were doing the warmup. The middle school AD was also the middle school cheerleading coach and saw nothing wrong with it. She demanded that the football players go to the cheer competition to support the girls. This is the same crazy woman that mistakenly ordered a small bus for an away game and then said that her cheerleaders would board first and any leftover seats could be filled football players. She was the kind of crazy you read about in books but when she walked by in yoga pants your head would explode.
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Post by pistola on Oct 23, 2018 11:44:34 GMT -6
Ive never really thought of a public show of support as dumb or insulting.. I also never felt like the people who do this make me look bad. Apparently you've taken it personally this time. Also I would hate to promote community in the school.. would be a real shame I'm not against the practice itself, just the motivation behind it, I don't like coaches using their influence over kids as props for their own ego stroke, coaches who choose not to do this (like me and other cool dudes like me) are now taking heat from parents like "why don't we support the band like coach _______ over at _________ high school" to which we would like to respond with "ma'am coach ___________ over there at that high school is a complete psychopath that probably irons his socks and cranks off to guns n ammo magazine" and I stand by my statement that it's insulting to the band kids, to think that they need the football team to show up to validate them somehow, band kids love being and band and could really give a rats ass if they are supported by the football team or not the most vivid example of how dumb the practice is, is that every twitter warrior coach that is sending out these photos of their team at the band competition has the team wearing their jerseys.....it's not about supporting the band, it's about visibly supporting the band so everybody knows you are doing it hence the ego stroke hence I don't like it if ya'll are good with it then please ignore and continue rowing the boat and coming up with acronyms ok so what it comes down to is that whatever coach posted it wherever you are at.. you don't like anyways (you're fine with the practice itself, just not the coach who tweeted it).. so it made you upset then when a parent questioned it... it just fed into it. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 23, 2018 13:36:36 GMT -6
What are you talking about? There is a social media post floating around that is asking coaches to send players to band concerts and competitions to support their peers. They are seeing it as reciprocation for the band playing at their games. I'm all about pressing the kids to support other sports programs as much as possible and show some pride in school athletics. However, the individual who came up with this social media post is missing one key element; those kids playing in the band are doing so because they are graded for it. Pep band has never been an extracurricular/volunteer activity at any school I have been at; it's an extension of the regular band class and kids are required to attend. |
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Post by spartan on Oct 23, 2018 21:09:55 GMT -6
Meth is a powerful drug
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Post by lws55 on Oct 24, 2018 3:14:18 GMT -6
We sent our kids to a volleyball game, not sure if they had their jerseys on or not, and they had an absolute blast. Not sure they’d give the same reaction at a band competition, but I don’t think there’s any harm in it at all. Maybe if the good looking band girls performed in volleyball shorts more players would go! |
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Post by CS on Oct 24, 2018 3:54:55 GMT -6
We sent our kids to a volleyball game, not sure if they had their jerseys on or not, and they had an absolute blast. Not sure they’d give the same reaction at a band competition, but I don’t think there’s any harm in it at all. Band chicks don’t look like volleyball chicks and don’t wear spandex shorts |
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Post by CS on Oct 24, 2018 4:03:15 GMT -6
What are you talking about? There is a social media post floating around that is asking coaches to send players to band concerts and competitions to support their peers. They are seeing it as reciprocation for the band playing at their games. I'm all about pressing the kids to support other sports programs as much as possible and show some pride in school athletics. However, the individual who came up with this social media post is missing one key element; those kids playing in the band are doing so because they are graded for it. Pep band has never been an extracurricular/volunteer activity at any school I have been at; it's an extension of the regular band class and kids are required to attend. They are also missing the point that the band gets to perform at football games. They are PART of the entertainment of the night. I really don’t see it as “support” in the traditional sense of the word. Band parents from what I can tell have always complained about the band not getting the respect for their hard work like the football team. They did it when I was in high school as well. Also, why does every other sport complain about the football team? Maybe it’s just where I have been |
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Post by lws55 on Oct 24, 2018 4:03:40 GMT -6
We sent our kids to a volleyball game, not sure if they had their jerseys on or not, and they had an absolute blast. Not sure they’d give the same reaction at a band competition, but I don’t think there’s any harm in it at all. Band chicks don’t look like volleyball chicks and don’t wear spandex shorts But if they did... |
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Post by CS on Oct 24, 2018 4:15:29 GMT -6
Band chicks don’t look like volleyball chicks and don’t wear spandex shorts But if they did... Lol. Nah |
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Post by canesfan on Oct 24, 2018 7:37:17 GMT -6
I like to have our kids at other events. Never thought about a band competition but wouldn’t be opposed to it. It’s not about me, I don’t want/need that pat on the back. I’m not going anywhere of my own free will. I could generally care less what people think other than my family, players, employer/employees and coaches. It’s about our school. As the HC and a proud alumni, I love our school. I want all kids in our school to love our school. I want all kids to want to support each other. It’s about them. Their experiences. Our community is small and poor, but it’s full of great people. I want our kids to be proud of where their from not because I’ll get a pat on the back, but because I believe in our school and community.
If a coach doesn’t want to do that cool. But the kids at our school love football, it is the least that our kids could do to at least try and show love to the rest of the school.
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Post by fantom on Oct 24, 2018 7:44:08 GMT -6
What doesn't set well with me is the idea of "sending" the kids. We demand a lot out of them as it is. Making them do even more doesn't seem right. I'd mention it and suggest that they show up and show the colors for a while but I certainly won't enforce it. I don't see where coaches would find time to do that.
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Post by CoachSP on Oct 24, 2018 9:02:04 GMT -6
I don't like the "twitter coaches" either. "Believer, husband, father, coach, etc."
It's cool if that is your personality, but I don't think anyone likes a show off.
Also, We ask a lot of the kids already. Unnecessary obligations don't seem right to me. At our school, the football players support most of the other sports because they have friends in those sports. If they have friends in band then it would make sense, but doing it for attention is stupid.
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Post by dubber on Oct 25, 2018 5:49:55 GMT -6
There could be a whole thread about this sort of thing.....I’m going to start one
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Post by tigerpride on Oct 25, 2018 6:54:51 GMT -6
I struggle with this as well - our band is at the games and part of the entertainment, but not there for us. They want the audience. Our school administration (thank God we have new principal) in the past was very supportive of the band. They got use of the field, they got uniforms, etc, etc....... the band director has his kids all day long in the classroom, etc......etc. (That is another topic lol - as i am teaching algebra all day).
With that said, I smother them with kindness and have bought football/drum-line hoodies for the drum line and have them form a tunnel for our kids to walk thru at home games. Our players like it, and the drum line has been appreciative.
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 25, 2018 7:35:40 GMT -6
I'm not against the practice itself, just the motivation behind it, I don't like coaches using their influence over kids as props for their own ego stroke, coaches who choose not to do this (like me and other cool dudes like me) are now taking heat from parents like "why don't we support the band like coach _______ over at _________ high school" to which we would like to respond with "ma'am coach ___________ over there at that high school is a complete psychopath that probably irons his socks and cranks off to guns n ammo magazine" and I stand by my statement that it's insulting to the band kids, to think that they need the football team to show up to validate them somehow, band kids love being and band and could really give a rats ass if they are supported by the football team or not the most vivid example of how dumb the practice is, is that every twitter warrior coach that is sending out these photos of their team at the band competition has the team wearing their jerseys.....it's not about supporting the band, it's about visibly supporting the band so everybody knows you are doing it hence the ego stroke hence I don't like it if ya'll are good with it then please ignore and continue rowing the boat and coming up with acronyms ok so what it comes down to is that whatever coach posted it wherever you are at.. you don't like anyways (you're fine with the practice itself, just not the coach who tweeted it).. so it made you upset then when a parent questioned it... it just fed into it. yes that's exactly what happened |
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Post by Coach Vint on Oct 25, 2018 10:18:04 GMT -6
I can't believe I just wasted five minutes reading this. I try not to criticize coaches for what they do with their kids when it doesn't affect whether I feed my family. If it doesn't effect our program do whatever you want. I don't care. Photo bomb it. Tweet it. Snap chat it. I have much more to worry about-- like winning a district championship and playing in Arlington in December. I'm going to get back to building a culture while we row the boat while chopping wood carrying water. Whatever it takes.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Oct 25, 2018 10:42:57 GMT -6
Also, why does every other sport complain about the football team? Maybe it’s just where I have been Jealousy, especially if you're in a football community. They get green with how much attention the sport and players get in school compared to their sport or activity. Whether it be Pep Rallies around big games, attendance differences, football money spending (them ignoring difference in team sizes), etc.
As far as forced participation, it's alright as a one off. I've also seen suggesting to captains and the team following their team leaders work for events more entertaining than band competition.
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