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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 22, 2018 8:42:22 GMT -6
Game theory is pretty clear on this. You don’t give them the film. It would actually be mutually beneficial to not give them the film AND explain why. “We aren’t giving film because you didnt give film to us. However, if you need film next year, feel free to ask and we will be glad to provide, provided y’all are also willing to reciprocate when we ask.” We use game theory in my International relations class...kids love it because we have them watch whichever real crime show they want and test prisoner's dilemma.
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Post by CS on Oct 22, 2018 10:25:35 GMT -6
I’m more working through this as an in the future scenario for when I have to make the call. I can scapegoat because of the HC’s decision but I truly wouldn’t want to send it anyway. If he would have said that it was my call I would not have sent it. Like @coach5085 said, they don’t need it they just want it. I actually needed it and got the film I wanted from another team but went to them first. so you are just looking to justify a pre determined outcome? Jmo, but that is silly. No. I'm looking for others opinions on the matter. I do have an opinion that I would be willing to look at if someone could give me a reason other than "you never know." The fact is I didn't need them to get the film. I got the film through other channels but it would have made my life easier if they had played ball. If they really want our film on them they can talk to the teams that played their opponent week 3or4. But, the god's honest truth is I couldn't care less what you think is silly.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 22, 2018 12:45:52 GMT -6
Game theory is pretty clear on this. You don’t give them the film. It would actually be mutually beneficial to not give them the film AND explain why. “We aren’t giving film because you didnt give film to us. However, if you need film next year, feel free to ask and we will be glad to provide, provided y’all are also willing to reciprocate when we ask.” spreadattackChris ClementThere is actually a branch of game theory that deals with one’s willingness to show that you won’t be f*cked with, and the ramifications of such moves.
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Post by agap on Oct 22, 2018 13:26:00 GMT -6
What's game theory?
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Post by coachcb on Oct 22, 2018 14:25:10 GMT -6
It's a system of mathematical models that are applied to decisions made social sciences and economics. It can be applied in a number of ways to the OP's situation but I'd call it a "non-cooperative" game theory. There's an internally binding, non-enforced contract between the OP and the coach he was requesting film from (i.e. it's their choice whether or not to trade film). Game theory states that, logically, the OP gains nothing from sharing film with the other coach while the other coach gets exactly what he wants. So, from a game theory standpoint, sharing any film unless the other coach has reciprocated wouldn't be logical.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 22, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -6
Game theory is pretty clear on this. You don’t give them the film. It would actually be mutually beneficial to not give them the film AND explain why. “We aren’t giving film because you didnt give film to us. However, if you need film next year, feel free to ask and we will be glad to provide, provided y’all are also willing to reciprocate when we ask.” spreadattack Chris Clement There is actually a branch of game theory that deals with one’s willingness to show that you won’t be f*cked with, and the ramifications of such moves. Gotta love credible threats.
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Post by klaby on Oct 23, 2018 9:08:35 GMT -6
So your buddy may knock off a conference opponent of yours and you dont want to help him knock off this opponent? any time a conference team can loose helps me.
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Post by CS on Jan 27, 2019 10:27:00 GMT -6
So your buddy may knock off a conference opponent of yours and you dont want to help him knock off this opponent? any time a conference team can loose helps me. They weren’t in our conference. They are a pre season opponent for us and a conference opponent of the team I was trying to get film from at the time. So giving us film would have been more beneficial to them ultimately, but they didn’t.
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Post by CoachPut on Jan 27, 2019 11:01:23 GMT -6
Seems petty. If you give him this film they will be more inclined to help you out next time you need it. Football coaches can't be big ego guys. I get rivalries but if you are in different conferences and don't play each other than help each other out. Football is under attack from outsiders enough. We don't need to attack each other ourselves.
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Post by CS on Jan 27, 2019 13:26:49 GMT -6
Seems petty. If you give him this film they will be more inclined to help you out next time you need it. Football coaches can't be big ego guys. I get rivalries but if you are in different conferences and don't play each other than help each other out. Football is under attack from outsiders enough. We don't need to attack each other ourselves. I just don’t see how it’s petty I guess. Team A asks for film with the promise to Team B that they will get their film of the same team. Team B declines the deal but weeks later after putting themselves in a place where they needed to beat that team wants to get Team A’s film. I see it as they had forfeited their right to receive the film.
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Post by PSS on Jan 27, 2019 13:50:59 GMT -6
Our district has a rule that we trade at least 3 films in district play, wide and tight. Non-district we trade as many as the opposing HC will trade. Hadn't seen many if any that would not trade. You might as well trade because someone will give it to them. In fact many times we'll call around for an endzone copy. Not that difficult to get film.
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