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Post by fshamrock on Oct 3, 2018 9:08:02 GMT -6
As if Waco U needed any more negative stuff....program was 0-40 going into this season, got their first win earlier in the year but now this mess
as for my opinion on the video, clearly the kids who beat the hell out of the dude should be punished, but you gotta wonder what this kid said/did to warrant that reaction
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Post by Defcord on Oct 3, 2018 9:25:10 GMT -6
That's pretty bizarre. By no means am I justifying the actions of the kid in white, they are 100% despicable. I do wonder if the kid in black had not kicked him if it would have escalated. In any event the kid in white did act far beyond the line of acceptability. I have no clue how I would intervene if I were in a position of authority at that school. What action would you guys take if you were in charge? State rules would have the kid sitting out for at least one game given the nature of the penalty. As a staff, we have the ability to suspend a kid for as many games as we want and I seriously doubt he'd still be on the team. The kid's actions leading up to getting kicked in the a$$ would be enough for us to consider booting him. The coaching staff needs to be fired if they were encouraging kids to target. Period. Would you boot him forever? or Would you allow him to come back in future years? I have no problem with firing any coach that encourages kids to do harm to other kids.
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Post by CS on Oct 3, 2018 9:56:29 GMT -6
Ok now that I have gotten to watch and listen to the entire video...WACO team and its coaches should have their season suspended. That kid was absolutely targeted not just on one play but on several plays by several players..that doesn't happen without coaches direction not on a freshmen level. Disgusted. False
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Post by CS on Oct 3, 2018 9:57:57 GMT -6
Man aren’t we quick to blame the coaches on a website full of coaches
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2018 10:29:29 GMT -6
State rules would have the kid sitting out for at least one game given the nature of the penalty. As a staff, we have the ability to suspend a kid for as many games as we want and I seriously doubt he'd still be on the team. The kid's actions leading up to getting kicked in the a$$ would be enough for us to consider booting him. The coaching staff needs to be fired if they were encouraging kids to target. Period. Would you boot him forever? or Would you allow him to come back in future years? I have no problem with firing any coach that encourages kids to do harm to other kids. If it were my call, he'd be done for the season with the option of coming back next year. A few years ago, we suspended a DE for one game kicking another player on the ground. The officials didn't catch it but we saw it on film. It wasn't enough of a consequence for the kid.. He was getting held by an opposing OT a few games later and decided to not only throw punches at the kid's ribs but to also swear at the official when they flagged him. We had their offense pinned in a 3rd and long situation but those two penalties put them on our 3 yard line and they scored two plays later. That score won the game for them. We should've known better than to play the kid at all as he had a temper in practice that went too far on several occasions. A kid that won't control themselves and play within the integrity of the game is a detriment to everyone involved.
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Post by Coach Vint on Oct 3, 2018 10:56:53 GMT -6
At the 44 second mark you see #76 slam the kids head to the turf and throw at least one punch. There is no place for it. That isn't "toughness." We have had kids talk crap on social media and call out our kids during the week. We will see you Friday night. You can't hide. But everything will within the rules of the game. This isn't. It hurts our game. Period. I am not going to criticize the coaches from either school because I don't know what they said or did before, during, or after. But what happened on the video is not something to condone or justify, and definitely should not be celebrated.
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Post by bigshel on Oct 3, 2018 11:18:57 GMT -6
At the 44 second mark you see #76 slam the kids head to the turf and throw at least one punch. There is no place for it. That isn't "toughness." We have had kids talk crap on social media and call out our kids during the week. We will see you Friday night. You can't hide. But everything will within the rules of the game. This isn't. It hurts our game. Period. I am not going to criticize the coaches from either school because I don't know what they said or did before, during, or after. But what happened on the video is not something to condone or justify, and definitely should not be celebrated. Thank you! What part of the game is that, where you're on top of a player punching him and (much worse, imo) bouncing his dome off the turf? As a youngster, I was involved in my share of fights; but in light of the game already being under fire, bouncing a kid's head off the turf? Are we really trying to justify that?
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2018 11:56:53 GMT -6
At the 44 second mark you see #76 slam the kids head to the turf and throw at least one punch. There is no place for it. That isn't "toughness." We have had kids talk crap on social media and call out our kids during the week. We will see you Friday night. You can't hide. But everything will within the rules of the game. This isn't. It hurts our game. Period. I am not going to criticize the coaches from either school because I don't know what they said or did before, during, or after. But what happened on the video is not something to condone or justify, and definitely should not be celebrated. Thank you! What part of the game is that, where you're on top of a player punching him and (much worse, imo) bouncing his dome off the turf? As a youngster, I was involved in my share of fights; but in light of the game already being under fire, bouncing a kid's head off the turf? Are we really trying to justify that? I've coached with my fair share of guys who've let things kinds of brawls go on during practice because they say it shows the kids being "tough" or "aggressive".
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Post by CS on Oct 3, 2018 12:24:39 GMT -6
At the 44 second mark you see #76 slam the kids head to the turf and throw at least one punch. There is no place for it. That isn't "toughness." We have had kids talk crap on social media and call out our kids during the week. We will see you Friday night. You can't hide. But everything will within the rules of the game. This isn't. It hurts our game. Period. I am not going to criticize the coaches from either school because I don't know what they said or did before, during, or after. But what happened on the video is not something to condone or justify, and definitely should not be celebrated. Thank you! What part of the game is that, where you're on top of a player punching him and (much worse, imo) bouncing his dome off the turf? As a youngster, I was involved in my share of fights; but in light of the game already being under fire, bouncing a kid's head off the turf? Are we really trying to justify that? I don't think anyone is trying to justify anything. Pretty much everyone on here has said that there isn't anything good about what happened. I'm saying that we shouldn't blame or accuse the coaches of sending the players after this one kid until something happens to come out that they did. And also saying that kids do stupid $hit all of the time. Maybe this kid had been talking the whole game or before it had started and the kids had made a decision to go after him. When the little one kicked the other kid the other kid retaliated simple as that. Was it a stupid thing to do...absolutely. But, we all know that kids are stupid
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Post by coacht65 on Oct 3, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -6
All in all, the kid that was "attacked" didn't suffer any injuries. no harm, no foul. Chalk it up to poor sportsmanship. Any background as to why junior Kyle Turley gave 110% effort? What if one of his mongo coaches tried to motivate him by making up a story about #17? Here's to hoping sub-par players who get owned on the field start a #MeToo movement about being bullied between the whistle. You sir, are an idiot of the highest qualification. I can only pray for you and your team that this post is some type of elaborate hoax on the rest of us coaches to make us doubt you as a human being so you can later say “just kidding” and make us all laugh.
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Post by bigshel on Oct 3, 2018 14:06:18 GMT -6
Thank you! What part of the game is that, where you're on top of a player punching him and (much worse, imo) bouncing his dome off the turf? As a youngster, I was involved in my share of fights; but in light of the game already being under fire, bouncing a kid's head off the turf? Are we really trying to justify that? I don't think anyone is trying to justify anything. Pretty much everyone on here has said that there isn't anything good about what happened. I'm saying that we shouldn't blame or accuse the coaches of sending the players after this one kid until something happens to come out that they did. And also saying that kids do stupid $hit all of the time. Maybe this kid had been talking the whole game or before it had started and the kids had made a decision to go after him. When the little one kicked the other kid the other kid retaliated simple as that. Was it a stupid thing to do...absolutely. But, we all know that kids are stupid It seems that at least a couple of folks were attempting justification after (kind of) saying that the incident was unacceptable. "Still don't see anything warranting a freshman in HS getting arrested for assault." "I wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that the smaller kid had been talking $hit on social media all week or during the game if they were after him like that." "All in all, the kid that was "attacked" didn't suffer any injuries. no harm, no foul. Chalk it up to poor sportsmanship." Yes kids are stupid and do stupid things. Getting on top of another player and bouncing his head off the turf is beyond that for me.
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Post by CS on Oct 3, 2018 17:11:25 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is trying to justify anything. Pretty much everyone on here has said that there isn't anything good about what happened. I'm saying that we shouldn't blame or accuse the coaches of sending the players after this one kid until something happens to come out that they did. And also saying that kids do stupid $hit all of the time. Maybe this kid had been talking the whole game or before it had started and the kids had made a decision to go after him. When the little one kicked the other kid the other kid retaliated simple as that. Was it a stupid thing to do...absolutely. But, we all know that kids are stupid It seems that at least a couple of folks were attempting justification after (kind of) saying that the incident was unacceptable. "Still don't see anything warranting a freshman in HS getting arrested for assault." "I wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that the smaller kid had been talking $hit on social media all week or during the game if they were after him like that." "All in all, the kid that was "attacked" didn't suffer any injuries. no harm, no foul. Chalk it up to poor sportsmanship." Yes kids are stupid and do stupid things. Getting on top of another player and bouncing his head off the turf is beyond that for me. So someone who doesn’t think a 9th grade kid getting into a fight should be brought up on assault charges is justifying his actions? Me who thinks there is probably more to the story than the coaches telling his players to target some kid is justifying his actions? The fact that 2 kids in full pads got in a fight, which is something I have seen a dozen times, and he says no harm no foul(while I feel this is a very nonchalant way of viewing the situation) is justifying what he did? I broke up a fight in the lunch room last week that was way more violent than this and they got 3 days of oss and you want this kid burned at the stake. Get real
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Post by canesfan on Oct 3, 2018 17:20:45 GMT -6
We seriously had something like this happen in a JV game. Our kid and the other kid got tossed. I couldn’t believe it. It was the 2nd play the kid had been in the game. Opening play of 2nd half.
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Post by bigshel on Oct 3, 2018 17:54:10 GMT -6
It seems that at least a couple of folks were attempting justification after (kind of) saying that the incident was unacceptable. "Still don't see anything warranting a freshman in HS getting arrested for assault." "I wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that the smaller kid had been talking $hit on social media all week or during the game if they were after him like that." "All in all, the kid that was "attacked" didn't suffer any injuries. no harm, no foul. Chalk it up to poor sportsmanship." Yes kids are stupid and do stupid things. Getting on top of another player and bouncing his head off the turf is beyond that for me. So someone who doesn’t think a 9th grade kid getting into a fight should be brought up on assault charges is justifying his actions? Me who thinks there is probably more to the story than the coaches telling his players to target some kid is justifying his actions? The fact that 2 kids in full pads got in a fight, which is something I have seen a dozen times, and he says no harm no foul(while I feel this is a very nonchalant way of viewing the situation) is justifying what he did? I broke up a fight in the lunch room last week that was way more violent than this and they got 3 days of oss and you want this kid burned at the stake. Get real He was literally bouncing that kid's head off the turf. Your fight in the lunchroom involved one kid bouncing another kid's head off the floor? You know what they call it when one kid socks another kid and the kid falls as a result of that punch, hits his head on the floor and dies? Manslaughter. Grabbing a kid by the front of the pads and whipping his head into the turf (more than once at that) is assault. Period. You need to get real.
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Post by CS on Oct 3, 2018 18:16:20 GMT -6
So someone who doesn’t think a 9th grade kid getting into a fight should be brought up on assault charges is justifying his actions? Me who thinks there is probably more to the story than the coaches telling his players to target some kid is justifying his actions? The fact that 2 kids in full pads got in a fight, which is something I have seen a dozen times, and he says no harm no foul(while I feel this is a very nonchalant way of viewing the situation) is justifying what he did? I broke up a fight in the lunch room last week that was way more violent than this and they got 3 days of oss and you want this kid burned at the stake. Get real He was literally bouncing that kid's head off the turf. Your fight in the lunchroom involved one kid bouncing another kid's head off the floor? You know what they call it when one kid socks another kid and the kid falls as a result of that punch, hits his head on the floor and dies? Manslaughter. Grabbing a kid by the front of the pads and whipping his head into the turf (more than once at that) is assault. Period. You need to get real. He punched him in the helmet(stupid) and slammed him once. After the kid tried to kick him in the balls. Good luck with that assault charge And the kids in the lunch room were beating the hell out of each other like it was Rocky 4. Broke up a brawl at a school one time that was way worse than this.
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Post by bigshel on Oct 3, 2018 18:32:33 GMT -6
He was literally bouncing that kid's head off the turf. Your fight in the lunchroom involved one kid bouncing another kid's head off the floor? You know what they call it when one kid socks another kid and the kid falls as a result of that punch, hits his head on the floor and dies? Manslaughter. Grabbing a kid by the front of the pads and whipping his head into the turf (more than once at that) is assault. Period. You need to get real. He punched him in the helmet(stupid) and slammed him once. After the kid tried to kick him in the balls. Good luck with that assault charge And the kids in the lunch room were beating the hell out of each other like it was Rocky 4. Broke up a brawl at a school one time that was way worse than this. I don't know what film you watched. I saw him bounce that kid's head three times. Once from a seated position to the turf. Once while sitting on his chest (followed by a punch). One last time as he was getting up. Of course the kid is concussed. That's great for the sport. Kids disagree and throw hands... discipline him how you see fit. UIL has rules for that, and his coach should too. Bouncing some kid's dome off the turf is some next level $h!t. That's assault.
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Post by CS on Oct 4, 2018 3:22:29 GMT -6
He punched him in the helmet(stupid) and slammed him once. After the kid tried to kick him in the balls. Good luck with that assault charge And the kids in the lunch room were beating the hell out of each other like it was Rocky 4. Broke up a brawl at a school one time that was way worse than this. I don't know what film you watched. I saw him bounce that kid's head three times. Once from a seated position to the turf. Once while sitting on his chest (followed by a punch). One last time as he was getting up. Of course the kid is concussed. That's great for the sport. Kids disagree and throw hands... discipline him how you see fit. UIL has rules for that, and his coach should too. Bouncing some kid's dome off the turf is some next level $h!t. That's assault. Agree to disagree. The kid deserves punishment absolutely, but assault is way over the top for what that was.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 4, 2018 5:49:18 GMT -6
76s actions were too far and WAY out of line. If he wants to light the kid up so be it, its football but the rest is a fight. I suspend 76 for the rest of the season and he has to earn his way back on next year. NO WAY he needs to be brought up on assault charges imo.
I'm willing to bet this wasn't some random attack or that the other kid was targeted for no reason. Probably running his mouth on social media or in game.
I hope a coach didn't encourage that.
At the small rural school I went to I was in and saw worse fights in 9th grade.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 4, 2018 7:03:23 GMT -6
Is there any news source that will give an update on what comes of this?
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Post by Coach Vint on Oct 4, 2018 11:46:55 GMT -6
Here is an update. www.burlesonstar.net/news-local-news-texas-news-sports-elks/district-executive-committee-rules-football-incidentSounds like the kid is suspended until several conditions are met. This should not be condoned or justified, but I don't think assault charges are necessary. Where would we draw the line? Every time targeting got called, or someone took a crack back block we would be in court. It sounds like Waco is taking the steps they seem necessary. I don't like when people outside our program criticize how we handle things inside our program, so I won't criticize them.
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Post by klaby on Oct 4, 2018 14:30:05 GMT -6
I dont like comments like "call the cops, swear out a warrant". Last thing we need is COPS policing football games. I say this as a COP. This should be handled by the governing board of the sport for the state. I can tell you that the kid in the black has suffered a concussion as a result of this game, not sure if it is this play. This crap happens for 2 reasons. 1. Bad coaching, 2. bad officials. The refs should have taken charge of this game. Games get out of control when officials dont police the game. Clearly something was going on because of the way the coaches ran onto the field.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 4, 2018 18:12:18 GMT -6
The kid who got choked...he has a concussion, no? Was it determined that the concussion was caused by #76?
If the concussion was caused as a result of #76 attacking the other kid, I think stronger consequences are appropriate. At the very least, #76 needs some anger management or counseling.
Or, go old-school and do what my parents did when I was a kid and did something to hurt someone...drive him over to the other kid's house and make him apologize face-to-face!
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Post by 19delta on Oct 4, 2018 18:13:14 GMT -6
I dont like comments like "call the cops, swear out a warrant". Last thing we need is COPS policing football games. I say this as a COP. This should be handled by the governing board of the sport for the state. I can tell you that the kid in the black has suffered a concussion as a result of this game, not sure if it is this play. This crap happens for 2 reasons. 1. Bad coaching, 2. bad officials. The refs should have taken charge of this game. Games get out of control when officials dont police the game. Clearly something was going on because of the way the coaches ran onto the field. Agreed. Calling the cops in situations like this is never good for anyone involved.
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Post by dubber on Oct 4, 2018 18:25:30 GMT -6
Is this thread useful?
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Post by CS on Oct 5, 2018 3:39:29 GMT -6
Lmao! I don’t know why but this struck me as funny
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