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Post by coachscdub on Sept 15, 2018 15:28:19 GMT -6
If you're a run-heavy team and you're beating up on a team (40-0 for example) is it rubbing it in to start passing the ball. Even if you know that if you keep running the ball you would score even more points.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 15, 2018 16:01:06 GMT -6
I think that would be unnecessary. In my state, a 40-0 score would be a running clock in the 2nd half. The game is essentially over at that point. Put your subs in, keep running the ball, get that clock to 0:00 and go home.
But, there are always caveats. For example, years ago, I was a coaching in a game in which we were up something like 47-0 a few series into the 3rd qt. We had a running clock so we started subbing liberally. We had backups in everywhere and even some sophomores. The team we were beating left their starters in and completely sold out on the run. 11 dudes screaming downhill and just whaling on on backups and sophs. And then these guys and their coaches start whooping and hollering and talking $hit after every play.
So, the next time we had the ball, we called Power Pass (we were dub wing). The wingback was wide open on the post corner. No one within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball. He walked into the endzone.
Next series, we called a halfback option pass. Same result. Final score was 61-0 or something. The other HC says to me after the game, "Hey Coach...that was bush league, you throwing the ball and runnimng trick plays on us like that." I told him that we had subs in and were more than willing to run the clock out with power, trap, counter, and wedge but I wasn't going to let him tee off on my guys with his starters. He gave me one of those, "We will remember that, coach" and walked off without shaking my hand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 17:28:33 GMT -6
If you're a run-heavy team and you're beating up on a team (40-0 for example) is it rubbing it in to start passing the ball. Even if you know that if you keep running the ball you would score even more points. "The defenses job is to stop the offense" Part of creating a relentless culture is never pulling off. Put subs in..but id keep at it. They need reps to. One day those sophomores will be your seniors. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 15, 2018 18:37:38 GMT -6
I think that would be unnecessary. In my state, a 40-0 score would be a running clock in the 2nd half. The game is essentially over at that point. Put your subs in, keep running the ball, get that clock to 0:00 and go home. But, there are always caveats. For example, years ago, I was a coaching in a game in which we were up something like 47-0 a few series into the 3rd qt. We had a running clock so we started subbing liberally. We had backups in everywhere and even some sophomores. The team we were beating left their starters in and completely sold out on the run. 11 dudes screaming downhill and just whaling on on backups and sophs. And then these guys and their coaches start whooping and hollering and talking $hit after every play. So, the next time we had the ball, we called Power Pass (we were dub wing). The wingback was wide open on the post corner. No one within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball. He walked into the endzone. Next series, we called a halfback option pass. Same result. Final score was 61-0 or something. The other HC says to me after the game, "Hey Coach...that was bush league, you throwing the ball and runnimng trick plays on us like that." I told him that we had subs in and were more than willing to run the clock out with power, trap, counter, and wedge but I wasn't going to let him tee off on my guys with his starters. He gave me one of those, "We will remember that, coach" and walked off without shaking my hand. This isn't an uncommon event. I am sure there is a high correlation between the quality of coach that does what your opponent did, AND the frequency at which such mercy rule type games apply to them. |
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Sept 15, 2018 18:42:52 GMT -6
You could always take a knee but wait that's rubbing it in as well or hurting someone else's feelings. My opinion, do your thing, put your back-ups in and coach your arse off as if they are in a tight game and leave the hurt feelings to someone else to worry about.
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Post by CS on Sept 16, 2018 6:21:02 GMT -6
I was at a school several years back and we played a REALLY good DTDW team who was beating our a$$e$ handily.
When they started throwing the ball: a) they weren’t good at it, b) I said to myself “thank god they’re done running.”
If that helps any
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Sept 16, 2018 8:01:24 GMT -6
Had a guy tell our HC this week he didn’t appreciate us passing the ball while up 2-3 scores. We were down to our 3rd RB who was cramping up.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 16, 2018 8:08:25 GMT -6
Put your back ups in and call the game as you would with starters. They need the work and deserve to play the game....
Which even means that if you’re a team that throws, then throw. Your 3rd string QBs and WRs dont practice in a throwing offense every day just to go in the 4th qtr running zone every play.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 16, 2018 8:09:58 GMT -6
Had a guy tell our HC this week he didn’t appreciate us passing the ball while up 2-3 scores. We were down to our 3rd RB who was cramping up. 2-3 scores? People are idiots. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 17, 2018 9:10:01 GMT -6
Your first responsibility is to your own team. So put backups in and do your thing to prepare them to eventually play. If the backups are still smashing them it's on them. We played a team whose HC used to be on our staff. At halftime it was 49-0 and the discussion in our locker was what to do to not score again. They were so bad that we couildn't help scoring and ended up 84-0. The other HC was very gracious and said it was on him to make his kids better.
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Post by canesfan on Sept 17, 2018 10:49:01 GMT -6
Had a guy tell our HC this week he didn’t appreciate us passing the ball while up 2-3 scores. We were down to our 3rd RB who was cramping up. 2-3 scores? People are idiots. It’s true. Last score we had was with 9 minutes to go. It put us up by 4 scores. We then started clearing the bench. The TDs that put us up 3 scores and 4 scores were by our backup QB we subbed into the game BTW. Same opposing coach left his starters in to score 50 on two overmatched teams the weeks before. We scored 35 points in the game in question. |
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 17, 2018 11:14:47 GMT -6
Up 4 scores is when I think about subs and mostly on offense until it gets worse. Up 3 scores in my early coaching years almost got me beat playing conservatively.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 17, 2018 11:33:28 GMT -6
Soft people will always find something to complain about.
When I was an assistant we were getting waxed week-to-week. It never bothered me...the score at least...because my expectation is the kids fight to the end no matter what. We had some complainers on staff- I guess they felt that way to take the sting out of the a$$ whooping. I don't look at it like that. I think it's more embarrassing for someone to come out and take a knee with 5mins left in a game.
Now, over the past 3 yrs we have been the ones dishing out the whoopings. And wouldn't you know- the teams that used to beat us 42-0, 56-6 etc are now getting there butts stomped by us and they are the first to complain. I don't listen to them (or anyone outside of our team meetings for that matter). People will love you or hate you...but that's their issue not ours.
Here are some examples I've dealt with:
-We're up 36-0 in the 4th quarter. We are steady running the ball...4min offense. The defense is blitzing 8 guys consistently, and our JV RB is getting hammered. We run Naked boot for a 1st down. The coach freaks out...calls me classless for "throwing on them" when up by so much. I reiterated that I will not throw if you are not blitzing. F him
-Homecoming game- we're up 24-13 going into the 4th. We rattle off 2 scores to make it 38-13 still no running clock. They still have 1's in (obviously). We go 4min offense. Haven't thrown the ball since the start of the 4th. We get to a point where they have burnt all their timeouts, and if we get a first down we can kneel. We call split zone- RB breaks 5 tackles and goes 27yds. "You guys are classless...F you" no hand shake. Again...F them
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 17, 2018 13:24:05 GMT -6
Soft people will always find something to complain about. When I was an assistant we were getting waxed week-to-week. It never bothered me...the score at least...because my expectation is the kids fight to the end no matter what. We had some complainers on staff- I guess they felt that way to take the sting out of the a$$ whooping. I don't look at it like that. I think it's more embarrassing for someone to come out and take a knee with 5mins left in a game. Now, over the past 3 yrs we have been the ones dishing out the whoopings. And wouldn't you know- the teams that used to beat us 42-0, 56-6 etc are now getting there butts stomped by us and they are the first to complain. I don't listen to them (or anyone outside of our team meetings for that matter). People will love you or hate you...but that's their issue not ours. Here are some examples I've dealt with: -We're up 36-0 in the 4th quarter. We are steady running the ball...4min offense. The defense is blitzing 8 guys consistently, and our JV RB is getting hammered. We run Naked boot for a 1st down. The coach freaks out...calls me classless for "throwing on them" when up by so much. I reiterated that I will not throw if you are not blitzing. F him -Homecoming game- we're up 24-13 going into the 4th. We rattle off 2 scores to make it 38-13 still no running clock. They still have 1's in (obviously). We go 4min offense. Haven't thrown the ball since the start of the 4th. We get to a point where they have burnt all their timeouts, and if we get a first down we can kneel. We call split zone- RB breaks 5 tackles and goes 27yds. "You guys are classless...F you" no hand shake. Again...F them
I love this part.
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Post by planck on Sept 17, 2018 13:51:28 GMT -6
I think that would be unnecessary. In my state, a 40-0 score would be a running clock in the 2nd half. The game is essentially over at that point. Put your subs in, keep running the ball, get that clock to 0:00 and go home. But, there are always caveats. For example, years ago, I was a coaching in a game in which we were up something like 47-0 a few series into the 3rd qt. We had a running clock so we started subbing liberally. We had backups in everywhere and even some sophomores. The team we were beating left their starters in and completely sold out on the run. 11 dudes screaming downhill and just whaling on on backups and sophs. And then these guys and their coaches start whooping and hollering and talking $hit after every play. So, the next time we had the ball, we called Power Pass (we were dub wing). The wingback was wide open on the post corner. No one within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball. He walked into the endzone. Next series, we called a halfback option pass. Same result. Final score was 61-0 or something. The other HC says to me after the game, "Hey Coach...that was bush league, you throwing the ball and runnimng trick plays on us like that." I told him that we had subs in and were more than willing to run the clock out with power, trap, counter, and wedge but I wasn't going to let him tee off on my guys with his starters. He gave me one of those, "We will remember that, coach" and walked off without shaking my hand. Yep. Once played a team that put 11 in the box and didn't cover our receivers after we took a big lead. We didn't even run routes, just lobbed to him like a lazy bubble screen. Their coach went ballistic, but {censored} him. I'm not going to run my kids into 11 guys and get hurt because they feel bad and can't stop us. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 17, 2018 13:56:14 GMT -6
I think that would be unnecessary. In my state, a 40-0 score would be a running clock in the 2nd half. The game is essentially over at that point. Put your subs in, keep running the ball, get that clock to 0:00 and go home. But, there are always caveats. For example, years ago, I was a coaching in a game in which we were up something like 47-0 a few series into the 3rd qt. We had a running clock so we started subbing liberally. We had backups in everywhere and even some sophomores. The team we were beating left their starters in and completely sold out on the run. 11 dudes screaming downhill and just whaling on on backups and sophs. And then these guys and their coaches start whooping and hollering and talking $hit after every play. So, the next time we had the ball, we called Power Pass (we were dub wing). The wingback was wide open on the post corner. No one within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball. He walked into the endzone. Next series, we called a halfback option pass. Same result. Final score was 61-0 or something. The other HC says to me after the game, "Hey Coach...that was bush league, you throwing the ball and runnimng trick plays on us like that." I told him that we had subs in and were more than willing to run the clock out with power, trap, counter, and wedge but I wasn't going to let him tee off on my guys with his starters. He gave me one of those, "We will remember that, coach" and walked off without shaking my hand. We had the same thing happen twice to us several years ago. We were beating a team 35-0 at half, had a running clock and started putting in our younger players. They left their starters in and started bringing 7-8 guys on blitzes. So, we ran a screen to our chubby little third string FB and watched him waddle 80+ yards for a score. He decided it would be a good time to put in his depth..The opposing HC got in my face after and I told him exactly what you did. He told me "we'll be seeing you in the play-offs and we'll remember this bullchit!". I walked away. Three weeks later, we're up on them 42-0 in the half and he pulls the same crap. So, we called a two PA passes, one for a 30 yard gain and the other for a score. His assistants had to drag him off during the handshake as he was ready to throw punches. One of his assistants tried to get chippy with me and I smiled and walked away. I have no issue with a team running their full offense or defense at us if it's basically turned into a JV game in the second half. But, we're not going to pump the breaks on offense or defense if you leave your starters in while we have our 2s in. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 17, 2018 13:56:19 GMT -6
Soft people will always find something to complain about. When I was an assistant we were getting waxed week-to-week. It never bothered me...the score at least...because my expectation is the kids fight to the end no matter what. We had some complainers on staff- I guess they felt that way to take the sting out of the a$$ whooping. I don't look at it like that. I think it's more embarrassing for someone to come out and take a knee with 5mins left in a game. Now, over the past 3 yrs we have been the ones dishing out the whoopings. And wouldn't you know- the teams that used to beat us 42-0, 56-6 etc are now getting there butts stomped by us and they are the first to complain. I don't listen to them (or anyone outside of our team meetings for that matter). People will love you or hate you...but that's their issue not ours. Here are some examples I've dealt with: -We're up 36-0 in the 4th quarter. We are steady running the ball...4min offense. The defense is blitzing 8 guys consistently, and our JV RB is getting hammered. We run Naked boot for a 1st down. The coach freaks out...calls me classless for "throwing on them" when up by so much. I reiterated that I will not throw if you are not blitzing. F him -Homecoming game- we're up 24-13 going into the 4th. We rattle off 2 scores to make it 38-13 still no running clock. They still have 1's in (obviously). We go 4min offense. Haven't thrown the ball since the start of the 4th. We get to a point where they have burnt all their timeouts, and if we get a first down we can kneel. We call split zone- RB breaks 5 tackles and goes 27yds. "You guys are classless...F you" no hand shake. Again...F them . I coached an 0-10 team once. Everyone loved us. |
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Post by blb on Sept 17, 2018 14:36:32 GMT -6
Some coaches just don't get it when the game is over and know when to "surrender" for the good of both.
If you are getting blown out - before the next year, coach better, make your players better, or change the schedule.
Those are your choices.
Not blaming it on other coach or team.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 17, 2018 15:04:29 GMT -6
Some coaches just don't get it when the game is over and know when to "surrender" for the good of both. If you are getting blown out - before the next year, coach better, make your players better, or change the schedule. Those are your choices. Not blaming it on other coach or team. IMO, it's nothing more than ego and I've been on both sides. I coached under an HC that would keep chucking it down the field with the starters and depth when down big but without a running clock (35-6, 42-10, etc..). Incomplete (clock stops).. Incomplete (clock stops..).. Incomplete (CLOCK STOPS..).. PUNT. We weren't going to come back and the HC/OC was just trying to punch it in to save face. Run the ball, take time off of the clock and get us the hell off of the field. |
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Post by blb on Sept 17, 2018 15:26:06 GMT -6
Our JV team once played a "Spread" team that was going to throw it virtually every down.
Because that's just what they did apparently.
Our JVs were ahead something like 51-0 at half time, in part because of two "Pick Sixes" and punt block for TD (wasn't called, our force guy on return just came in unblocked - guess they didn't practice kicking any more than defense.)
Running clock second half, we played our backups and did not pass once, wound up 63-0 because other team kept throwing every down and we got another "Pick Six."
Whose fault is that?
And if you're the losing coach, how do you look your kids in the eyes on Monday and get them fired up to practice-prepare for the next game?
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Post by carookie on Sept 17, 2018 16:02:56 GMT -6
I think that would be unnecessary. In my state, a 40-0 score would be a running clock in the 2nd half. The game is essentially over at that point. Put your subs in, keep running the ball, get that clock to 0:00 and go home. But, there are always caveats. For example, years ago, I was a coaching in a game in which we were up something like 47-0 a few series into the 3rd qt. We had a running clock so we started subbing liberally. We had backups in everywhere and even some sophomores. The team we were beating left their starters in and completely sold out on the run. 11 dudes screaming downhill and just whaling on on backups and sophs. And then these guys and their coaches start whooping and hollering and talking $hit after every play. So, the next time we had the ball, we called Power Pass (we were dub wing). The wingback was wide open on the post corner. No one within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball. He walked into the endzone. Next series, we called a halfback option pass. Same result. Final score was 61-0 or something. The other HC says to me after the game, "Hey Coach...that was bush league, you throwing the ball and runnimng trick plays on us like that." I told him that we had subs in and were more than willing to run the clock out with power, trap, counter, and wedge but I wasn't going to let him tee off on my guys with his starters. He gave me one of those, "We will remember that, coach" and walked off without shaking my hand. Yep. Once played a team that put 11 in the box and didn't cover our receivers after we took a big lead. We didn't even run routes, just lobbed to him like a lazy bubble screen. Their coach went ballistic, but {censored} him. I'm not going to run my kids into 11 guys and get hurt because they feel bad and can't stop us. This is a big one for me. You either play a legit defense or don't complain. Now I am not advocating for double reverse pass or Hook-&-Ladder; but I will not run my kid into a meat grinder. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 18, 2018 7:28:06 GMT -6
Our JV team once played a "Spread" team that was going to throw it virtually every down.
Because that's just what they did apparently.
Our JVs were ahead something like 51-0 at half time, in part because of two "Pick Sixes" and punt block for TD (wasn't called, our force guy on return just came in unblocked - guess they didn't practice kicking any more than defense.)
Running clock second half, we played our backups and did not pass once, wound up 63-0 because other team kept throwing every down and we got another "Pick Six."
Whose fault is that?
And if you're the losing coach, how do you look your kids in the eyes on Monday and get them fired up to practice-prepare for the next game?
A few weeks ago, we had an ugly game against the #3 ranked team in the state. It was only a two score game at half time but it got out of hand quickly (42-8) in the third due to a few bad snaps. Now, last year, we would've been putting it up again and again, thrown INTs and probably would've lost by 50+. This year, our new OC ran the ball, threw bubble screens and bled the clock as there was no way we were coming back from that big of a deficit. We ended up losing 42-6. |
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Post by SconnieOC on Sept 18, 2018 7:59:48 GMT -6
When I was a junior in college we were playing a conference bottom feeder.. we were up like 50-6 or something in the 4th quarter. Our 3's and 4's are in and we were a triple option team. Our 4th string fullback busted a veer give for a 50 yd TD because they were blitzing everyone.. Their HC goes nuts, almost fights our header in the handshake.. as a player, it was a wild scene.
Fast forward a few years, they've improved quite a bit, and our program had taken a couple steps back... they get up big in the 2nd half, and he puts in the guys who ran the scout team triple all week to try and score on us with our own system. They end up punching one in with a PA pass on the last play of the game. He walks out to shake hands, and gives our HC the box score from that game a few years ago, with the last TD highlighted and says "Karma's a bish".
2 years later he's fired for gross recruiting violations.. so I guess Karma is brutal..
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Post by silkyice on Sept 18, 2018 8:33:39 GMT -6
When I was a junior in college we were playing a conference bottom feeder.. we were up like 50-6 or something in the 4th quarter. Our 3's and 4's are in and we were a triple option team. Our 4th string fullback busted a veer give for a 50 yd TD because they were blitzing everyone.. Their HC goes nuts, almost fights our header in the handshake.. as a player, it was a wild scene. Fast forward a few years, they've improved quite a bit, and our program had taken a couple steps back... they get up big in the 2nd half, and he puts in the guys who ran the scout team triple all week to try and score on us with our own system. They end up punching one in with a PA pass on the last play of the game. He walks out to shake hands, and gives our HC the box score from that game a few years ago, with the last TD highlighted and says "Karma's a bish". 2 years later he's fired for gross recruiting violations.. so I guess Karma is brutal.. This was in college? Wow!! |
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Post by fantom on Sept 18, 2018 8:45:45 GMT -6
If you're a run-heavy team and you're beating up on a team (40-0 for example) is it rubbing it in to start passing the ball. Even if you know that if you keep running the ball you would score even more points. I agree with what most have said: put in backups and run your offense. As silly as it is, if you start throwing, it looks more like running it up. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 18, 2018 8:50:54 GMT -6
2 years later he's fired for gross recruiting violations.. so I guess Karma is brutal.. Yes it is. A team was up on us by four scores in the fourth several years ago and the HC left the starters in and kept chucking it up. We subbed our 2s in and left them in as we didn't want to risk an injury. To make it worse, he would run route packages that put their All-State WR on our slower-than-snot CB. We aligned our this CB away from him and they'd motion him over and run something deep. I was furious after the game but kept my trap shut. Several weeks later, he pulled the same thing with another team and ended up getting that stud WR injured as well as their starting TB/Mike. Both of them were out for the first round of the play-offs and they got stomped. |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 18, 2018 9:09:21 GMT -6
2 years later he's fired for gross recruiting violations.. so I guess Karma is brutal.. Yes it is. A team was up on us by four scores in the fourth several years ago and the HC left the starters in and kept chucking it up. We subbed our 2s in and left them in as we didn't want to risk an injury. To make it worse, he would run route packages that put their All-State WR on our slower-than-snot CB. We aligned our this CB away from him and they'd motion him over and run something deep. I was furious after the game but kept my trap shut. Several weeks later, he pulled the same thing with another team and ended up getting that stud WR injured as well as their starting TB/Mike. Both of them were out for the first round of the play-offs and they got stomped. It's called Karma. And it is pronounced haha screw you. Thought that was hilarious when I read that online. Of course, another word before you was used online. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 18, 2018 10:27:02 GMT -6
Yes it is. A team was up on us by four scores in the fourth several years ago and the HC left the starters in and kept chucking it up. We subbed our 2s in and left them in as we didn't want to risk an injury. To make it worse, he would run route packages that put their All-State WR on our slower-than-snot CB. We aligned our this CB away from him and they'd motion him over and run something deep. I was furious after the game but kept my trap shut. Several weeks later, he pulled the same thing with another team and ended up getting that stud WR injured as well as their starting TB/Mike. Both of them were out for the first round of the play-offs and they got stomped. It's called Karma. And it is pronounced haha screw you. Thought that was hilarious when I read that online. Of course, another word before you was used online. Lol.. Yup, the guy was a moron that ended up fired that year. We got emails from their AD and administration, apologizing for the guy's crap. He'd pulled the same thing on us the year before I got there. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 18, 2018 11:11:58 GMT -6
Yep. Once played a team that put 11 in the box and didn't cover our receivers after we took a big lead. We didn't even run routes, just lobbed to him like a lazy bubble screen. Their coach went ballistic, but {censored} him. I'm not going to run my kids into 11 guys and get hurt because they feel bad and can't stop us. This is a big one for me. You either play a legit defense or don't complain. Now I am not advocating for double reverse pass or Hook-&-Ladder; but I will not run my kid into a meat grinder. I agree with this. I don't mind your starters being in but if you are sending the house and putting us at risk don't expect us to play along. |
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Post by newhope on Sept 20, 2018 11:46:30 GMT -6
Back in 1990, we played a much inferior team that was our so-called "rival". We actually played them twice that year. The first game was 54-0 with a running clock. The second game we're up 38 in the second quarter and are playing everybody we have (we're a small school). They score a couple of times before the half to make it 38-14. No big deal. As we leave the field, they are dog cussing us (along with their coaches). Got my blood up a little, but that was the way they were. They kick off to us to start the second half, our returner breaks down the sideline. They dump the gatorade cooler on him as he runs by--he's so good he still scores. That sent me threw the roof. Starters back in, beat the dog snot out of them. Pulled the starters in the 4th at 75-14. Seemed reasonable to me, they deserved it. Not just the coaches--the kids did. But here's my advice: don't do it. The opposing coached moaned to everyone who would listen, a newspaper picked it up, then the AP got in on it. AP calls the school on Monday, I'm out of town at an AD meeting. They talk to an assistant with no tact whatsoever. He says "their job to stop us". Of course, that's what got spread over the AP wire nationally. Next thing I know I'm getting hate mail from all over the country. So again, my advice, don't do it.
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