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Post by lbedwards on Sept 8, 2018 14:36:56 GMT -6
Hey Coaches,
How does your program execute in-game substitutions? Does your program:
Have the position coach sub in/out his position?
Have the offensive/defensive/special teams coordinator oversee substitutions?
Have one person on offense/defense handle substitutions for each respective unit?
Yell out a name to sub in while out the sub outs name?
Rely on random chaos and let football Darwinism settle it out?
Any other procedure you use?
Also, do you practice subbing in/out during the week in game like conditions?
Thank you for any and all responses.
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Post by agap on Sept 9, 2018 19:40:55 GMT -6
We communicate on the headsets about substitutions. HC has the final decision, then DC, and then position coaches.
The only time we practice subbing players in and out like a game is on Thursdays for the most part. I don't really understand what you mean by that though.
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 9, 2018 21:35:38 GMT -6
Position coaches control subs for their people.
OC subs players to bring in the play.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 10, 2018 5:58:55 GMT -6
Positional coaches handle positional subs, coordinators handle personnel subs. I handle special teams subs and I’m fanatical. I mark out a little territory on the sideline as the special teams box and so help you god if you step foot in there if you’re not on the unit currently on alert, or if you’re not there and you should be.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Sept 10, 2018 6:07:35 GMT -6
Position coach controls the subs for his group.
Coordinator or HC can veto at any time
I've usually tried to have a working depth chart for different situations and go off of that. Like, if we are running well or throwing well, how good their defense is, what the lead is, and various other things. That has helped me a lot.
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Post by lbedwards on Sept 10, 2018 6:09:21 GMT -6
agapIn simulating game like conditions at practice: For example, during team period (11-on-11) instead of having back-ups behind the offense/defense place them on the sideline to have a game-like feel. That way they are learning to run on/off the field instead of walking a few feet from behind the line. Also, have the OC/DC (or whoever calls plays) on the sideline as well to work on the communication aspect, while still having a coach behind their respective units. My thought process is this: I want to simulate every possible aspect of a game in practice. We have had trouble with our substitution patterns through the first couple of weeks. Each of the coaches has a different philosophy on how that should be executed. (We should have discussed this as a staff but it just didn't happen.) We have improved but still need more improvement. And we need improvement because we haven't practiced that aspect of the game as much as I'd like. I want us to be better in situational football. chi5hiThe procedure you use is the one I lean toward.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 10, 2018 7:51:54 GMT -6
Hey Coaches, How does your program execute in-game substitutions? Does your program: Have the position coach sub in/out his position? Have the offensive/defensive/special teams coordinator oversee substitutions? Have one person on offense/defense handle substitutions for each respective unit? Yell out a name to sub in while out the sub outs name? Rely on random chaos and let football Darwinism settle it out? Any other procedure you use? Also, do you practice subbing in/out during the week in game like conditions? Thank you for any and all responses. We utilize a series chart with 4 series on it and 1-2 “control” or JV groups. We will basically rotate the series chronologically unless it’s a sudden change situation inside the 50. Then, Series 1 always comes in
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Post by canesfan on Sept 10, 2018 8:14:32 GMT -6
Position coaches sub for us. OC subs personnel. At any time I may say get someone out, especially on defense. 3 tech runs up field and doesn’t play technique? He’s out, get someone else in. DB blows a coverage, out.
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Post by coachtua on Sept 10, 2018 11:55:58 GMT -6
Offensively I handle substitutions as the OC.
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Post by agap on Sept 10, 2018 13:46:24 GMT -6
We do not have backups on the sideline during Team Defense because most of them are playing on scout offense. We only have a few left over after we get 11 on Team D and 11 on Scout O.
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Post by coachscdub on Sept 10, 2018 22:02:12 GMT -6
Perfect Scenario on Offense. Position Coaches make subs throughout the game. Players understand when to sub themselves in (Usually after the player in their spot brakes off a big gain) OC (Me) Only subs in players when i want a specific kid to run a specific play.
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Post by stilltryin on Sept 11, 2018 7:29:06 GMT -6
Don't want to turn this into a "kids aren't as tough as they used to be" thread, but we try to have as many starters as possible on kickoff, for all the obvious reasons. So we opened up Friday night, took the ball to start the game, and scored six or seven plays later ... and had starters already asking out of kickoff. One kid, who's a good player and a good kid, told one of our assistants he wanted to "save my energy for later in the game." Anybody else seeing that kind of mind-set?
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2018 8:07:22 GMT -6
Don't want to turn this into a "kids aren't as tough as they used to be" thread, but we try to have as many starters as possible on kickoff, for all the obvious reasons. So we opened up Friday night, took the ball to start the game, and scored six or seven plays later ... and had starters already asking out of kickoff. One kid, who's a good player and a good kid, told one of our assistants he wanted to "save my energy for later in the game." Anybody else seeing that kind of mind-set? I don't think that this new. I just think that coaches notice it more. When I played my last game, a semi-pro game in 1977, I learned the value of being short. It wasn't the most organized crew ever so they chose special teams at the end of Thursday's practice. They asked for volunteers, then went around again asking, "How about you?". At 5'9" I was able to hide. The point is that I don't think that guys were ever all that crazy about playing ST's. Maybe they're just more willing to say so.
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Post by agap on Sept 11, 2018 10:21:22 GMT -6
Why do most OCs sub players themselves but position coaches sub plays on defense? The personnel on defense determines what we call just as much as it does on offense.
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Post by gccwolverine on Sept 11, 2018 11:03:18 GMT -6
Why do most OCs sub players themselves but position coaches sub plays on defense? The personnel on defense determines what we call just as much as it does on offense. I'm the DC.... I Sub my DBs both corners are major O players so the 3rd corner is basically a starter for us rotating between which guy he's giving a break too. I sub our LB's as our LB guy is in the box on the set with me, we do it through communication. Our long time DL coach has always "subbed" his DL and when I say that its been basically put his first 4 out there and then forget about them until they are dead. At the beginning of the year when I took over as DC we sat down and had a conversation that we need 6-8 guys rolling at the DL position and that the personnel that was in the game was going to have a major impact in what type of calls I feel we can make and play especially early on. We chat before and between every series about who I want out there and he now does a much better job of keeping them rolling in and out during series. I create a call sheet each which with our defensive calls, our "depth chart by position" - guys that matter and will factor in to the game when it is still a game, and note and reminders for me and for our kids in our pregame meeting. Coordinators should handle and approve all subs - position coaches once they have an understanding of what the coordinator wants and expects should then be able to take it over and communicate who is rolling in and out.
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Post by agap on Sept 11, 2018 13:27:42 GMT -6
Why do most OCs sub players themselves but position coaches sub plays on defense? The personnel on defense determines what we call just as much as it does on offense. I'm the DC.... I Sub my DBs both corners are major O players so the 3rd corner is basically a starter for us rotating between which guy he's giving a break too. I sub our LB's as our LB guy is in the box on the set with me, we do it through communication. Our long time DL coach has always "subbed" his DL and when I say that its been basically put his first 4 out there and then forget about them until they are dead. At the beginning of the year when I took over as DC we sat down and had a conversation that we need 6-8 guys rolling at the DL position and that the personnel that was in the game was going to have a major impact in what type of calls I feel we can make and play especially early on. We chat before and between every series about who I want out there and he now does a much better job of keeping them rolling in and out during series. I create a call sheet each which with our defensive calls, our "depth chart by position" - guys that matter and will factor in to the game when it is still a game, and note and reminders for me and for our kids in our pregame meeting. Coordinators should handle and approve all subs - position coaches once they have an understanding of what the coordinator wants and expects should then be able to take it over and communicate who is rolling in and out. I agree with that. DBs don't matter as much when substituting players, at least for us, but the other positions matter. We may not stunt as much with certain DL or we may not blitz as much with certain LB/S that are in. Once we get to our next LB or our 2nd or 3rd DL, our calls will be very different.
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