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Post by jg78 on Sept 8, 2018 14:32:19 GMT -6
How many of you are HC / OC / DC and how difficult do you think it is to do all three of those roles vs. HC / OC or HC / DC?
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Post by freezeoption on Sept 8, 2018 16:19:39 GMT -6
Depends if you got guys that know what they are doing or you trust them. If you don't, then you better do it yourself, I have a couple of times.
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Post by coachscdub on Sept 8, 2018 16:32:37 GMT -6
I think you cant do all three. When i call the plays (im an OC not a HC) when we are on defense i need to talk to my guys and see what's going on, ask them what is and isnt there, etc. You cant do that when you have to call the defense too. And vice versa if i was calling the D, i would need to talk to my guys while we're on O.
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Post by carookie on Sept 8, 2018 20:07:06 GMT -6
I do it, but I am at a super small school (8 man) with just two volunteer coaches who aren't there all of the time and are good with what they do. It is difficult, and I wouldn't recommend it nor would I try it at a higher level; but sometimes situations dictate what we do.
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Post by doitforthekids on Sept 8, 2018 22:16:06 GMT -6
I think you cant do all three. When i call the plays (im an OC not a HC) when we are on defense i need to talk to my guys and see what's going on, ask them what is and isnt there, etc. You cant do that when you have to call the defense too. And vice versa if i was calling the D, i would need to talk to my guys while we're on O. I know the feeling of wanting to talk to my guys, but often times our guys play both ways the majority of the game. Might only have 2 guys on the entire unit who aren’t on everything. Coached for a guy who did everything as the HC, but he had coordinators helping on both sides, he just had final say and called the plays. So the coordinators would communicate with kids on the sideline if need be, and/or be the eyes from the box, whatever was needed for that side of the ball. |
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Post by byuwolverine on Sept 9, 2018 0:57:43 GMT -6
At most it is HC + OC/ Special Teams or HC + DC/Special Teams. If you try to do both Offense and Defense, like others have said, you do not have the opportunity to talk to your guys as much.
The previous HC I worked for called all three as the Head Coach. This was in the 1970's. When he delegated to his assistants and developed a system and framework, he kept basically the same staff and system for 20-30+ years. 13 State Championships later, sounds like a reasonable decision to delegate and support as needed.
He called the offense, and had a special teams and defensive coordinator that stayed with him and gave up HC opportunities because of the work environment he created. If you feel the need to call all 3, I would take a second look as to whether you would be happy as an assistant in your program. If not, what can you do to support and retain quality coaches?
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Post by jml on Sept 9, 2018 1:05:56 GMT -6
How many of you are HC / OC / DC and how difficult do you think it is to do all three of those roles vs. HC / OC or HC / DC? I do it... it is do able, but hard... I'd glad delegate if some assistants step up... |
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Post by agap on Sept 9, 2018 19:34:25 GMT -6
I've been DC for a few years and also HC/DC for a few years. It was difficult enough to call the defense while also being HC; I'm assuming it'd be even harder being all three. Even with two-way players, a coordinator still needs time to think about adjustments and talk to the couple players that aren't playing both ways.
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Post by flacoach10 on Sept 9, 2018 23:53:19 GMT -6
I was doing O & D at the beginning of this season but have had an assistant who is a quick study slowly take more defensive responsibility week by week. It's worked well as I installed everything in camp, he learned it all and now we brainstorm the game plan weekly and he calls it in-game. The hardest part early on wasn't game day but doing both in team practice situations. I'd be calling an offensive play and then trying to signal in a defensive play and coverage almost simultaneously. Luckily I've got a good special teams coach so haven't had to worry about that. It really is tough to do everything. I think if you have assistants with at least some knowledge and potential it's good to give them a good basic structure to teach from and then slowly give them more responsibility as the weeks go by.
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