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Post by throwahitch on Sept 4, 2018 9:07:45 GMT -6
If you decline to run the clock, can the refs just run it anyway???
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Post by fantom on Sept 4, 2018 9:16:26 GMT -6
If you decline to run the clock, can the refs just run it anyway??? You mean the mercy rule? I think that, under the right circumstances and under Fed rules, they will. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Sept 4, 2018 10:17:04 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want the clock to run when in that situation? When it's that big of a mismatch, I think getting out of there as quick as possible is in everyone's best interest. If it's the mercy rule being referred to, of course.
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Post by blb on Sept 4, 2018 11:10:53 GMT -6
Having been on both sides of Mercy Rule I am ambivalent about it.
My objection to it is it cuts down game reps you can give your backups.
Been in games where we had 40-50 players and it was impossible to give them number of plays we would have had there been no running clock.
If we were the one getting blown out didn't matter to me. Wasn't other team's fault we had a bad team or they were just much better.
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Post by coachtua on Sept 4, 2018 12:11:26 GMT -6
Are you the team that is down? I believe in California it is automatic if any team is up by more than 35 after the 3rd quarter.
Have coached in games where the refs asked opposing coach if he wanted to run the clock after half, we were up 56-0, the opposing HC said of course. One coach asked after the first quarter, we were up 28-0, and they had lost their starting QB and RB during the game. Our HC told him no, because as stated before, it cut down valuable reps for our backups. We did run it after halftime though. Have coached in a few games where we were on the other end of the stick and just let the rules dictate the clock.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Sept 4, 2018 12:19:51 GMT -6
In Kentucky, if the lead is 36+, the clock runs. Doesn't matter when it happened, doesn't matter if you ask them to not. If the lead goes under 36, it still runs.
It runs until the end of the game.
And having been on both sides of it (more times for the bad, than good) I like it. It's decided, just get out and go home. I've never felt like we could come back or that the other team could, either. Make it an early night, either way.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 5, 2018 9:18:17 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want the clock to run when in that situation? When it's that big of a mismatch, I think getting out of there as quick as possible is in everyone's best interest. If it's the mercy rule being referred to, of course. Ended up in striking distance towards the end, and no, they did not put in their backups because small school ball. |
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 5, 2018 9:20:02 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want the clock to run when in that situation? When it's that big of a mismatch, I think getting out of there as quick as possible is in everyone's best interest. If it's the mercy rule being referred to, of course. Ended up in striking distance towards the end, and no, they did not put in their backups because small school ball. Had the clock not been running at times, I am not saying we would have won, but it would have been interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 10:26:07 GMT -6
Are you the team that is down? I believe in California it is automatic if any team is up by more than 35 after the 3rd quarter. Have coached in games where the refs asked opposing coach if he wanted to run the clock after half, we were up 56-0, the opposing HC said of course. One coach asked after the first quarter, we were up 28-0, and they had lost their starting QB and RB during the game. Our HC told him no, because as stated before, it cut down valuable reps for our backups. We did run it after halftime though. Have coached in a few games where we were on the other end of the stick and just let the rules dictate the clock. Its 35 in general. We played a team last year who hung 35 om us in the first q and we were home by regular end of 3q time. Pretty good team. Only loss was for the state title to a good Folsom team |
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Post by rcole on Sept 5, 2018 10:48:28 GMT -6
Had an unusual experience this past Friday night. We were up on a team pretty early that we probably shouldn't have scheduled in the first place. We agree to run the clock starting in the 2nd quarter. In the second half the refs ask if we can run the clock continuously with no stoppages for any reason. Our HC agrees. We run two plays. There is an injury. The entire 3rd quarter clock runs out during the injury. Both teams combined for 10 total plays in the entire 2nd half. Never seen anything like it.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 5, 2018 11:03:40 GMT -6
Had an unusual experience this past Friday night. We were up on a team pretty early that we probably shouldn't have scheduled in the first place. We agree to run the clock starting in the 2nd quarter. In the second half the refs ask if we can run the clock continuously with no stoppages for any reason. Our HC agrees. We run two plays. There is an injury. The entire 3rd quarter clock runs out during the injury. Both teams combined for 10 total plays in the entire 2nd half. Never seen anything like it. Omg that’s crazy!! |
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Post by joelee on Sept 5, 2018 11:34:02 GMT -6
Unfortunately one year we played a team we shouldn't have scheduled and the HC comes up to The white hat and our HC and asks "is it ok if we start the running clock when it gets to 21?" They all agreed.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Sept 5, 2018 21:31:46 GMT -6
Unfortunately one year we played a team we shouldn't have scheduled and the HC comes up to The white hat and our HC and asks "is it ok if we start the running clock when it gets to 21?" They all agreed. My first year a guy asked if the clock could run at 28. He said "we won't be beatin y'all, but I had 2 kids quit yesterday. If it gets more out of hand, we won't be able to have a team." I felt bad for the guy, but he was right. It happened pretty quick, kind of felt like putting him out of his misery. |
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Post by klaby on Sept 6, 2018 11:19:07 GMT -6
Its auto in my state....you have no choice
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Post by Defcord on Sept 6, 2018 11:27:10 GMT -6
When I was in Florida I think the rule was once it hits 35 it is a running clock. I am not sure because it never happened but I think if it goes back below 35 it goes back to a normal clock.
In all the other states I have been in both coaches have to agree.
When I was in Indiana we beat a team 74-6 and we weren't very good. It was a 3 hour bus ride and we only dressed 30 kids so starters were out at half. The officials asked the other coach if we could go to a running clock and he refused. I had to meet with Principal and Superintendent on Monday and explain how the game got so out of hand.
I know a lot of coaches refuse the running clock because they feel like they are giving up. I think there needs to be an automatic rule in place to help with this. Whatever the rule is is fine with me but then the coach of the losing team doesn't have to go back to his kids and say he agreed to give in. Most rational people understand why the clock is ran but some kids and community members aren't rational.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 6, 2018 13:35:51 GMT -6
Ohio is 30 or more points at any time in the second half. I've been on both sides. I can't think of a time I really wish it didn't happen. Only thing I don't like is it gets limited reps for younger guys but we've done better at working them in earlier if the situation arises.
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Post by blb on Sept 6, 2018 14:28:54 GMT -6
My philosophy was the game was over when one team was ahead by three scores in 4th Quarter or running clock (Mercy Rule).
Then we would sub.
Problem is that philosophy was not shared by some of our opponents.
They would leave their 1s in, keep throwing the ball on offense and blitz on defense when our 2s (or even 3s) were in.
And Onside Kick down four TDs with a minute left (had one of our players get his leg broken in latter situation).
Then come to all-conference meeting with the great stats their QBs-WRs rung up.
Some coaches are just too stupid or egotistical to do what's best for kids and the game.
They need to know when to "surrender," get THEIR back-ups in the game and some experience - also a reason to come back to practice hard the next week knowing they have a chance to play!
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Post by coachddwebb on Sept 6, 2018 17:22:21 GMT -6
In Arizona it is 42. One year we were down by the end of the 1st quarter, 2nd quarter neither team scored. Came out after half scored twice it was under 42, so regular clock rules. By the start of 4th quarter it was even closer end up losing by 20.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 19:09:14 GMT -6
If you decline to run the clock, can the refs just run it anyway??? It depends on your state's rules. In our state, if a team is down by 35 or more in the second half, the clock runs. If the losing team scores to bring it under 35, then the clock stops again. I've never heard of a case where the refs ran the clock after the losing coach refused to consent to it, though, but I also don't know of too many times where a losing coach didn't consent. |
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Post by nstanley on Sept 6, 2018 19:09:20 GMT -6
If you decline to run the clock, can the refs just run it anyway??? In Oregon, it is a decision that varies from league to league I believe. I don't think you have a choice. |
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Post by blb on Sept 7, 2018 6:47:22 GMT -6
In Michigan coaches do not have a choice. Mercy Rule (running clock) begins when one team is ahead by 35+ points.
If the margin falls below 35 points normal timing procedures resume.
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Post by reffla on Sept 7, 2018 13:21:17 GMT -6
In FL, it's 35 points at any point in the second half, including the second half kickoff. Even if the trailing team cuts the margin to less than 35, the clock still runs. It only stops for injuries and time outs.
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