klaby
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Post by klaby on Aug 17, 2018 12:13:15 GMT -6
I see a lot of posts about, "he didn't put the work in, he needs to put the work in, missed the summer work outs". If he is a stud and has multiple D1 offers i am pretty sure he is putting his time in working somewhere....just saying....because he isn't working with you, or he is starting late you all think he just laid on the couch all summer....remember what assume stands for....if he is D1 in multiple sports, the kid is working with someone....
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 17, 2018 19:14:26 GMT -6
I see a lot of posts about, "he didn't put the work in, he needs to put the work in, missed the summer work outs". If he is a stud and has multiple D1 offers i am pretty sure he is putting his time in working somewhere....just saying....because he isn't working with you, or he is starting late you all think he just laid on the couch all summer....remember what assume stands for....if he is D1 in multiple sports, the kid is working with someone.... And yet, the kid who didn't put in the work didn't follow through with it. Keep in mind, this wasn't a situation where a kid who had been on the football team his entire HS career but was more talented and performed better in other sports was missing off season work outs while participating in those other sports. This was a kid who had quit football his Frosh year, and was talking about joining the football team 7 practices into the actual season his senior year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2018 7:50:15 GMT -6
If he were missing seven practices because of another sport, REAL family obligation (funeral or wedding of a close family member), or something where he absolutely had to be gone, then we'd just make sure he made up the conditioning. But, in this circumstance, he would miss the first game, PERIOD. As has been pointed out, it's a slippery slope. Kids will start skipping August football because they know that they only need to do some conditioning to make up for it. That pales in comparison to the time the rest of the kids have put in; meetings, warm-up, indy time, inside run, skelly, team, condo, etc..etc.. Our guys put in a solid 7-8 hours per day of football once practice starts so it's not fair to them to allow a kid that's skipped to do what basically amounts to an extra hour of conditioning. 8 hour days? I am assuming you still have doubles or something similar. Down here (south eastern Louisiana) in some districts, the kids return to school a day or two after the first practice day (and obviously teacher coaches are back to work a few days before that) , so gone are the days of grueling double sessions or camp environments during preseason practice.
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Post by 53 on Aug 18, 2018 9:36:12 GMT -6
I love football but I’m not doing 8 hour days of it.
Personally I don’t see them being productive either
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Post by agap on Aug 18, 2018 9:51:18 GMT -6
It's not hard to spend 7-8 hours per day on football depending on the rules in your state. We need to have at least a two hour recovery period in between practices. Once you add up practice, the recovery period, meetings, weight lifting, and whatever else, you get close to 7-8 hours per day. It would be a lot less without the recovery period, but that's what we have to do now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2018 9:59:30 GMT -6
It's not hard to spend 7-8 hours per day on football depending on the rules in your state. We need to have at least a two hour recovery period in between practices. Once you add up practice, the recovery period, meetings, weight lifting, and whatever else, you get close to 7-8 hours per day. It would be a lot less without the recovery period, but that's what we have to do now. Or not have doubles. That said I do realize not all programs are in a position to make that choice.
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Post by fantom on Aug 18, 2018 10:29:22 GMT -6
It's not hard to spend 7-8 hours per day on football depending on the rules in your state. We need to have at least a two hour recovery period in between practices. Once you add up practice, the recovery period, meetings, weight lifting, and whatever else, you get close to 7-8 hours per day. It would be a lot less without the recovery period, but that's what we have to do now. Or not have doubles. That said I do realize not all programs are in a position to make that choice. Or have doubles but don't keep them at the facility between practices.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2018 11:00:42 GMT -6
Or not have doubles. That said I do realize not all programs are in a position to make that choice. Or have doubles but don't keep them at the facility between practices. Yes, but coach, for some (particularly more rural areas) some kids might have a 30-45 minute one way commute.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 18, 2018 11:07:45 GMT -6
Or have doubles but don't keep them at the facility between practices. Yes, but coach, for some (particularly more rural areas) some kids might have a 30-45 minute one way commute. Those kids stay then.
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Post by fantom on Aug 18, 2018 11:16:48 GMT -6
Or have doubles but don't keep them at the facility between practices. Yes, but coach, for some (particularly more rural areas) some kids might have a 30-45 minute one way commute. I understand that it can't be helped in some situations. In fact, I used to coach at a school where kids got bused in and had to stay all day. I've also been at schools where we did 8-10:30 then 5-7:30 and it's no contest which I prefer.
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Post by blb on Aug 18, 2018 13:08:48 GMT -6
There is a coach in our county (third year) who keeps kids at school 8 AM-9 PM during Pre-Season.
Practices, films, meetings, lift, feeds them lunch and dinner.
He came from one of winningest programs in our state so no doubt that's where he learned it.
His record so far is 7-11.
Frankly if that's what it takes to coach (or play) HS Football I'd have done something else.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 18, 2018 13:48:17 GMT -6
There is a coach in our county (third year) who keeps kids at school 8 AM-9 PM during Pre-Season. Practices, films, meetings, lift, feeds them lunch and dinner. He came from one of winningest programs in our state so no doubt that's where he learned it. His record so far is 7-11. Frankly if that's what it takes to coach (or play) HS Football I'd have done something else. During our pre-season our kids are done at noon. They get to really eat, really hydrate, rest, and heck, still have a life.
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Post by blb on Aug 18, 2018 13:55:20 GMT -6
There is a coach in our county (third year) who keeps kids at school 8 AM-9 PM during Pre-Season. Practices, films, meetings, lift, feeds them lunch and dinner. He came from one of winningest programs in our state so no doubt that's where he learned it. His record so far is 7-11. Frankly if that's what it takes to coach (or play) HS Football I'd have done something else. During our pre-season our kids are done at noon. They get to really eat, really hydrate, rest, and heck, still have a life.
Obviously you are a lazy coach who doesn't care about winning.
(sarcasm emoji here)
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Post by coachcb on Aug 20, 2018 11:20:57 GMT -6
If he were missing seven practices because of another sport, REAL family obligation (funeral or wedding of a close family member), or something where he absolutely had to be gone, then we'd just make sure he made up the conditioning. But, in this circumstance, he would miss the first game, PERIOD. As has been pointed out, it's a slippery slope. Kids will start skipping August football because they know that they only need to do some conditioning to make up for it. That pales in comparison to the time the rest of the kids have put in; meetings, warm-up, indy time, inside run, skelly, team, condo, etc..etc.. Our guys put in a solid 7-8 hours per day of football once practice starts so it's not fair to them to allow a kid that's skipped to do what basically amounts to an extra hour of conditioning. 8 hour days? I am assuming you still have doubles or something similar. Down here (south eastern Louisiana) in some districts, the kids return to school a day or two after the first practice day (and obviously teacher coaches are back to work a few days before that) , so gone are the days of grueling double sessions or camp environments during preseason practice. Yes, we've been running two practices per day since August 10th and most of the kids don't go back to school until next Monday. We did a solid week of two-a-days and the kids are now doing meetings/film/lifting in the morning and practice in the afternoon. During two-a-days we did an hour worth of film/meetings and then practiced. Between meetings, dressing out, practicing, and showering, they were putting in some long days. Two-a-days before school starts have become trickier and trickier over the years. Parents are ignoring the schedule sent out three times (spring, before school gets out, mid-summer) and are setting up vacations during the thick of two-a-days. We've always taken a hardline on this; you miss practice during two-a-days, you miss the first game.
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Post by blb on Aug 20, 2018 14:48:18 GMT -6
Going back to OP -
He maybe one of best athletes in the state -
But, that doesn't make him one of the best Football players.
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Post by gators41 on Aug 23, 2018 9:14:12 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. This will test everything you stand for. The allure of having an athlete like this is tempting, It has not worked out for me in the past. Nothing but problems. There is a reason he quit in the first place. Good luck. If you take him back, be careful. Understand that this could cause problems.
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