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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2018 11:06:31 GMT -6
Pretty sure that's how TO (and countless others) became what he is. What TO became was a HOFer. Who shrank when it mattered and is pretty universally hated by everyone he played with. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 12, 2018 11:29:23 GMT -6
Slapdick? According to wiscoach, this kid is one of the best high school athletes in the state and has D1 offers in other sports. And he hasn't said anything about the kid being a cancer. That doesn't sound like slapdick to me. Letting the kids decide is a cop-out. You are the coach. The coach gets paid to make the tough decisions. Although, in this case, it should not be a tough decision at all. And, I don't know what the Wisconsin rules are, but, in Illinois, a player has to have 14 practices (I think?) before he can play in the game. Assuming there is a similar rule in Wisconsin, this kid isn't going to play right away anyway. Cop out? Start replacing hard working kids with kids who don't buy in because you want him so you can pump up your ego with winning and let me know how long you have a team willing to do what it takes. What are you talking about? Ego? The primary job of a varsity HFC is to put the best players on the field. It's dumb to sit a good kid who is a great athlete simply because he didn't do the summer stuff, which he apparently didn't need to do anyway. Honestly, it's attitudes like this that are one of the big reasons kids aren't going out for football as much anymore. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 12, 2018 11:31:39 GMT -6
What TO became was a HOFer. Who shrank when it mattered and is pretty universally hated by everyone he played with. How do you know he is universally hated by everyone he played with? If you remember correctly, most of the guys in the locker room in Philly were on Owens' side, not McNabb's. The reason TO has such a horrible reputation is because that was the narrative the sports media wanted to tell. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 12, 2018 11:42:51 GMT -6
Here's another thing. It seems that a lot of you guys are automatically assuming that this kid is some kind of primadonna (for example, the posts about TO). wiscoach has not made any comments about this kid being a cancer. Is it possible that he was working on his other sports? I had a kid about 10 years ago who was a heck of a wrestler. Traveled all over the country in the summer to tournaments. Made almost no football activities. But he was a great kid and a heck of a lineman. We knew that we wouldn't be seeing him until August and that was ok. We were glad to have him and I don't mind saying that we needed him a lot more than he needed us. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2018 14:47:32 GMT -6
Here's another thing. It seems that a lot of you guys are automatically assuming that this kid is some kind of primadonna (for example, the posts about TO). wiscoach has not made any comments about this kid being a cancer. Is it possible that he was working on his other sports? I had a kid about 10 years ago who was a heck of a wrestler. Traveled all over the country in the summer to tournaments. Made almost no football activities. But he was a great kid and a heck of a lineman. We knew that we wouldn't be seeing him until August and that was ok. We were glad to have him and I don't mind saying that we needed him a lot more than he needed us. I understand what you are saying, but that is slightly different than a player who quit football as a freshman and is now looking to come back about 10 practices into his senior year. You have accurately mentioned that it seems readily apparent the kid in question did not "need" to be part of the program his soph,jr years or this past years offseason to be a starter on his squad. My concern is that I didn't need it either. I was a 3 year starter for my team. Unfortunately, for me, I was a very average if not below average small school player and my record in HS was 2-8, 2-8, 2-8, 1-9. My friends and I didn't have to be that good (obviously) to play, but unfortunately we were no where good enough to actually compete and win. While the player in question will probably be a very good football player regardless, the job of the HFC is to lead the PROGRAM, not just the 2018-2019 team. Based on what has been written here, (school size, previous school success, kids attitude and work ethic towards other sports etc) I would probably welcome the kid, but I would indeed have some type of "make up" work, because I would be very concerned about the culture of the program and the kid has already missed around 10 practices (never mind the summer). The HFC must act in the best interest of the program, not just this season. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 12, 2018 15:32:59 GMT -6
Here's another thing. It seems that a lot of you guys are automatically assuming that this kid is some kind of primadonna (for example, the posts about TO). wiscoach has not made any comments about this kid being a cancer. Is it possible that he was working on his other sports? I had a kid about 10 years ago who was a heck of a wrestler. Traveled all over the country in the summer to tournaments. Made almost no football activities. But he was a great kid and a heck of a lineman. We knew that we wouldn't be seeing him until August and that was ok. We were glad to have him and I don't mind saying that we needed him a lot more than he needed us. I understand what you are saying, but that is slightly different than a player who quit football as a freshman and is now looking to come back about 10 practices into his senior year. You have accurately mentioned that it seems readily apparent the kid in question did not "need" to be part of the program his soph,jr years or this past years offseason to be a starter on his squad. My concern is that I didn't need it either. I was a 3 year starter for my team. Unfortunately, for me, I was a very average if not below average small school player and my record in HS was 2-8, 2-8, 2-8, 1-9. My friends and I didn't have to be that good (obviously) to play, but unfortunately we were no where good enough to actually compete and win. While the player in question will probably be a very good football player regardless, the job of the HFC is to lead the PROGRAM, not just the 2018-2019 team. Based on what has been written here, (school size, previous school success, kids attitude and work ethic towards other sports etc) I would probably welcome the kid, but I would indeed have some type of "make up" work, because I would be very concerned about the culture of the program and the kid has already missed around 10 practices (never mind the summer). The HFC must act in the best interest of the program, not just this season. Again, the point is missed. This kid that wiscoach posted about is not just a guy...not just some average high school player. We are talking about a kid who is an immediate ccontributor and who can be the difference between playing for a state title and getting the basketballs and wrestling mats out early. If we are talking about some weak, slow, overweight kid who is going to be no better than a scout team lineman, having him do the extra work after practice and lift would be appropriate because he clearly isn't good enough to compete on his own merits. Now, I wouldn't do that because I have better things to do with my time than babysit some chud, but I can at least see why you would have the kid do it in that situation. Good coaches treat players fairly, not equally. In this scenario, you have a chance to add a kid who is already better than everyone you have and might be the missing piece for a state championship team. And if the gamble pays off and the team is hoisting that trophy at the end of the season, you can be assured that this kid more than earned his spot. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2018 16:46:37 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying, but that is slightly different than a player who quit football as a freshman and is now looking to come back about 10 practices into his senior year. You have accurately mentioned that it seems readily apparent the kid in question did not "need" to be part of the program his soph,jr years or this past years offseason to be a starter on his squad. My concern is that I didn't need it either. I was a 3 year starter for my team. Unfortunately, for me, I was a very average if not below average small school player and my record in HS was 2-8, 2-8, 2-8, 1-9. My friends and I didn't have to be that good (obviously) to play, but unfortunately we were no where good enough to actually compete and win. While the player in question will probably be a very good football player regardless, the job of the HFC is to lead the PROGRAM, not just the 2018-2019 team. Based on what has been written here, (school size, previous school success, kids attitude and work ethic towards other sports etc) I would probably welcome the kid, but I would indeed have some type of "make up" work, because I would be very concerned about the culture of the program and the kid has already missed around 10 practices (never mind the summer). The HFC must act in the best interest of the program, not just this season. Again, the point is missed. This kid that wiscoach posted about is not just a guy...not just some average high school player. We are talking about a kid who is an immediate ccontributor and who can be the difference between playing for a state title and getting the basketballs and wrestling mats out early. If we are talking about some weak, slow, overweight kid who is going to be no better than a scout team lineman, having him do the extra work after practice and lift would be appropriate because he clearly isn't good enough to compete on his own merits. Now, I wouldn't do that because I have better things to do with my time than babysit some chud, but I can at least see why you would have the kid do it in that situation. Good coaches treat players fairly, not equally. In this scenario, you have a chance to add a kid who is already better than everyone you have and might be the missing piece for a state championship team. And if the gamble pays off and the team is hoisting that trophy at the end of the season, you can be assured that this kid more than earned his spot. Coach,I don't think the point has been missed by those saying what I am saying. However, I do think you have been missing the contrasting point. You are talking about a team, one season. I am talking about the program. Because while this kid is fine, do you really trust 14-17 year olds to recognize the difference between Johnny, who shows up for the first time on the 8th day of PRACTICE and themselves? Do you trust them to recognize that while they may be able to do the same and still start (especially at a school of less than 200 students) they might not be able to do so and win? Again, this isn't a kid who missed a bunch of summer lifting sessions because of other sports, this is a kid who was NOT A PART OF THE TEAM for the last TWO seasons. The HFC is responsible for the program, not just the 2018-2019 team. The OP said they are a pretty good team, but a small school. I would be interested to see what the decade long history of the program has, but regardless I am betting that the competition for spots is significantly less than at a school of greater than 800 with similar success. Again, I ask where do you draw the line. 8th practice? Day before the first game? Monday before the week 8 Rivalry game? Week of the playoffs? If it were my call, based on what is written here, Yes, I would let him join, but he missed the first 7 practices. I would have him do things, not necessarily for his benefit, but for the OTHER guys who might not realize they aren't talented enough to do the same thing, but think about it just the same. Again, just speaking from the POV of a 3 year starter who was probably an average small school football player but new after spring of his sophomore year that he was going to start for the next 3 years. A couple of other friends were the same. Unfortunately those years yielded 2-8,2-8,1-9 seasons. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 12, 2018 18:16:56 GMT -6
Again, the point is missed. This kid that wiscoach posted about is not just a guy...not just some average high school player. We are talking about a kid who is an immediate ccontributor and who can be the difference between playing for a state title and getting the basketballs and wrestling mats out early. If we are talking about some weak, slow, overweight kid who is going to be no better than a scout team lineman, having him do the extra work after practice and lift would be appropriate because he clearly isn't good enough to compete on his own merits. Now, I wouldn't do that because I have better things to do with my time than babysit some chud, but I can at least see why you would have the kid do it in that situation. Good coaches treat players fairly, not equally. In this scenario, you have a chance to add a kid who is already better than everyone you have and might be the missing piece for a state championship team. And if the gamble pays off and the team is hoisting that trophy at the end of the season, you can be assured that this kid more than earned his spot. Coach,I don't think the point has been missed by those saying what I am saying. However, I do think you have been missing the contrasting point. You are talking about a team, one season. I am talking about the program. Because while this kid is fine, do you really trust 14-17 year olds to recognize the difference between Johnny, who shows up for the first time on the 8th day of PRACTICE and themselves? Do you trust them to recognize that while they may be able to do the same and still start (especially at a school of less than 200 students) they might not be able to do so and win? Again, this isn't a kid who missed a bunch of summer lifting sessions because of other sports, this is a kid who was NOT A PART OF THE TEAM for the last TWO seasons. The HFC is responsible for the program, not just the 2018-2019 team. The OP said they are a pretty good team, but a small school. I would be interested to see what the decade long history of the program has, but regardless I am betting that the competition for spots is significantly less than at a school of greater than 800 with similar success. Again, I ask where do you draw the line. 8th practice? Day before the first game? Monday before the week 8 Rivalry game? Week of the playoffs? If it were my call, based on what is written here, Yes, I would let him join, but he missed the first 7 practices. I would have him do things, not necessarily for his benefit, but for the OTHER guys who might not realize they aren't talented enough to do the same thing, but think about it just the same. Again, just speaking from the POV of a 3 year starter who was probably an average small school football player but new after spring of his sophomore year that he was going to start for the next 3 years. A couple of other friends were the same. Unfortunately those years yielded 2-8,2-8,1-9 seasons. What I'm telling you is that I don't draw the line. If a kid wants to come out for football, who am I to tell that kid, "no"? If a kid can come out late and he contributes, that's great. If a kid wants to come out late and he ends up a scout team o-lineman, that's OK, too. There is no need to have some hard and fast rule for when kids can't come out anymore for the simple reason that these situations are few and far between. How common is it that a kid comes out for football this late in the season? This is an anomaly..an outlier. And procedures and rules shouldn't be based on anomalies and outliers. Now, if you have this rash of kids who, year after year, decide to come out for football a week late, then you are probably going to establish some kind of cut-off date. But I just don't see that happening. Heck...I can't even remember the last time we had a guy show up the first day of practice who hadn't been around all summer. Maybe there is an epidemic of that in other parts of the country. Just not here. Regarding how the other kids perceive it...yes...I think those kids DO recognize the difference between the regular guys and the top guys. The kids might not like the fact that there are people who can perform at a high level without doing all the lifting and conditioning. It might piss them off that they didn't win the DNA lottery. But, at the end of the day, the kids know what the pecking order is. And winning is a lot more fun than losing. And most kids want to win (provided they are a part of the winning). If a kid like this can come in and be a major contributor to a state championship, the other kids are going to be just fine with having him on the team. Come November, no one is going to be thinking about the summer practices this kid missed if the team is playing the final game of the season at Camp Randall Stadium in Madison. And my perspectives are based on the small-school experience. Our high school has 200 students. The guys who play are the guys who lift all summer and participate in the summer program. The guys who don't do much don't play much. Not as a punishment. But simply because they aren't as good as the guys who put the work in over the summer. I don't know what the deal with your high school was. Perhaps you didn't have much tradition. Perhaps the coaches didn't emphasize the weight room. Or maybe you guys just weren't very good. But I don't see how your experience playing for a scuffling program compares with this situation (a team that wiscoach said was good enough now to make a deep playoff run even before Mr. All-Star showed up). |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2018 20:57:56 GMT -6
What I'm telling you is that I don't draw the line. If a kid wants to come out for football, who am I to tell that kid, "no"? You are the head football coach. I don't disagree that because of the multitude of ways this situation could present itself, and various factors that coul be a part of those situations combined with the rarity of it, that some hard/fast policy is probably not prudent. Here is where I think you are missing my concern. I am not saying the worry is that the players would sulk because the new guy is better than them and walked right in and could play. I am saying that I would be worried that they would think THEY could do the same thing. To use Madden-esque numbers, lets say you have some players that are 70s as a Jr. They slack and are 75s as seniors, still better than 45 Soph who worked himself up to a 70, but not the 85s they could have been if they worked. On the schedule, the will line up against a bunch of 80s. So, they are good enough to start (I believe you said "what more could you ask" in a previous post) but not good enough to win. Had they worked, they would be 85s and winning players. Obviously This is somewhat of an abstract representation of real world events. But the concept is definitely real world. A bit of all of it. They had some tradition, but as you know with small schools, (especially private ones) a few transfers, an injury or two, a weak class and boom.. bottom dwelling. Then unfortunately, that mindset that I mentioned can set in, and you can have guys who are good enough to start, but not win. Just giving coaches something to think about. There are always unintended or unforeseen consequences to actions. |
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 12, 2018 21:06:16 GMT -6
We don't know all the details. Truly, I don't care. If its a small school maybe this happens all the time at that school. You build a culture at your school. Depends what you want to build. I know cultures can change and change quickly depending on what is perceived by the team. I'll give a example. Coached one year at a 8 man school. Kid came out, he quit the previous year over half way through, and I took him although I figured it wasn't going to go. With him we had 11. Kid starts for me in the jamboree. Quits the following Monday. Wants back on the team the next week. I said I will have to see what you teammates say. I brought it up to the kids, said whatever they want would be fine. They proceeded to talk among themselves and then a couple stood up and said they couldn't trust the kid to be there because he has let them down twice. I said I'm fine with that and told the kid he could not come back and turn in your gear. Kids need to have ownership in things that matter to them.
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Post by wiscoach on Aug 12, 2018 21:48:34 GMT -6
IMO we haven't had kids try to show up late to avoid anything. (Maybe I'm wrong on this but that's my belief) We aren't known as a "run em til they puke" staff anyway. I believe that this kid wants to come out because he wants to play football but maybe he felt bad about quitting and didn't know how to approach this situation. I think some that suggested our players were pushing him to join may have been correct.
We had a productive talk where expectations were laid out and we will see tomorrow morning if this is actually happening.
For a background on our program. 5 playoff appearances in 40 something years, but 4 of those in the last decade, so trending up.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2018 7:52:20 GMT -6
IMO we haven't had kids try to show up late to avoid anything. (Maybe I'm wrong on this but that's my belief) We aren't known as a "run em til they puke" staff anyway. I believe that this kid wants to come out because he wants to play football but maybe he felt bad about quitting and didn't know how to approach this situation. I think some that suggested our players were pushing him to join may have been correct. We had a productive talk where expectations were laid out and we will see tomorrow morning if this is actually happening. For a background on our program. 5 playoff appearances in 40 something years, but 4 of those in the last decade, so trending up. Hope it all works out! Good luck to you guys. |
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 13, 2018 9:27:51 GMT -6
Each situation is different, and each kid is different. How can you best get him in the program without sabotaging the program for years to come? Are you building a program for longevity, or trying to win right now?
Twenty years ago we had three seniors who didn't come to summer workouts. All were returning starters, two were returning all district players. One was a 6-5 TE, one was a 6-4 tackle, and the other was a 4.5 skill guy. We spoke with them almost daily in the summer and told them they had to be at workouts to play. They never thought we would cut them. We did. We went 5-5 and probably could have made a good run. That was our third year. Never did we have a kid skip workouts and think he could play varsity. We felt that was best for our situation long-term. Would we have liked them to play? Yes. But it would have meant sacrificing our long-term success. Football is about more than talent, but talent certainly helps. We try to find a solution for every situation, but sometimes kids make that nearly impossible.
On the other side, a buddy of mine needed to win or he was going to be fired. He didn't have a very good team. The superintendent told him he needed to win 6 games and make the playoffs to keep his job. He let a couple of very athletic kids come out and he did not necessarily hold them accountable. They were very good and he won 8 games and won two playoff games. He got to keep his job. Without those kids he would have been fired.
Each situation is different. Do what is best for your kids and your program. Personally I am going to try everything I can to find a way to get athletic kids in our program.
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Post by sweep26 on Aug 13, 2018 11:02:35 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!! |
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2018 11:27:53 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!! This is true, but he is just looking for advice which is the reason for this forum. Some might have had a similar situation and can give some wisdom based on experience. |
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Post by sweep26 on Aug 13, 2018 11:35:57 GMT -6
Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!! This is true, but he is just looking for advice which is the reason for this forum. Some might have had a similar situation and can give some wisdom based on experience. Perhaps... |
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Post by wiscoach on Aug 13, 2018 12:28:13 GMT -6
All this and he decided not to show up.
That's the way the cookie crumbles and what I should have just expected in the first place.
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 13, 2018 12:46:11 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!! Isn't this the point of the forum....? To bring situations like this up, so people can discuss and see other's view points... Even if we weren't able to help Wiscoach, maybe someone read this and instituted a policy, or realized that their policy was too aggressive. This is a group effort. Personally, I'm glad he brought this up.. I've never experienced it, and now I've had to put some thought into it. |
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Post by blb on Aug 13, 2018 13:01:10 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!!
sweep26 if you read wiscoach's previous posts you would know he is not the HFC and thus not the "decision maker."
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Post by blb on Aug 13, 2018 14:21:41 GMT -6
All this and he decided not to show up. That's the way the cookie crumbles and what I should have just expected in the first place.
Of course not.
He was interested in what Football might do for him instead of what he might be able to do for the Team.
Only wanted to play on his terms (just play WR).
As soon as there were conditions put on his team membership, he was out.
You can win with talented kids like that, but you can lose with them too.
If you're going to run-build a program, you must be willing to lose in order to have discipline-commitment.
Because if you don't, you surely will lose.
Besides, isn't that what HS Football is supposed to teach as part of educational process?
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Post by wiscoach on Aug 13, 2018 14:33:47 GMT -6
All this and he decided not to show up. That's the way the cookie crumbles and what I should have just expected in the first place.
Of course not.
He was interested in what Football might do for him instead of what he might be able to do for the Team.
Only wanted to play on his terms (just play WR).
As soon as there were conditions put on his team membership, he was out.
It's almost poetic. We were a Double Wing team 3 years ago and we knew this kid was coming up through the pipeline and the HC asked me to put together a different offense (This was when we thought he'd be the QB) and now here I am 3 years later hoping I'd finally get to utilize the skill set of the person that was the reason I learned and installed a completely different offense. We'll be fine though. |
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Post by bighit65 on Aug 13, 2018 14:48:47 GMT -6
I have been reading the back and forth on this thread for the last couple of days...and he didn't even show up! I want my 45 minutes over that time back.
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Post by blb on Aug 13, 2018 14:49:59 GMT -6
Of course not.
He was interested in what Football might do for him instead of what he might be able to do for the Team.
Only wanted to play on his terms (just play WR).
As soon as there were conditions put on his team membership, he was out.
It's almost poetic. We were a Double Wing team 3 years ago and we knew this kid was coming up through the pipeline and the HC asked me to put together a different offense (This was when we thought he'd be the QB) and now here I am 3 years later hoping I'd finally get to utilize the skill set of the person that was the reason I learned and installed a completely different offense. We'll be fine though.
I hope you will be wiscoach, good luck.
Hopefully your HC has learned something from this experience.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 13, 2018 16:22:11 GMT -6
It's almost poetic. We were a Double Wing team 3 years ago and we knew this kid was coming up through the pipeline and the HC asked me to put together a different offense (This was when we thought he'd be the QB) and now here I am 3 years later hoping I'd finally get to utilize the skill set of the person that was the reason I learned and installed a completely different offense. We'll be fine though.
I hope you will be wiscoach , good luck.
Hopefully your HC has learned something from this experience.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 13, 2018 17:06:26 GMT -6
Hard to give generic, general answers that work for everyone. Your goal is to help your team and, in the process, to keep your team. To do that you have two competing considerations: (1) you don't want to diminish the hard work from the rest of your team all season/offseason, but (2) you want to win -- and sometimes we as coaches forget that the players want to win just as much as the coaches, and if this guy will help the team win -- and everyone knows it -- then they will be happy he's there.
I am also assuming that since this guy is such a good multi-sport athlete that he's not known as someone around school who is totally lazy (maybe this is wrong).
I see no issue with telling the kid (1) he's welcome to join the team, but he's behind both in terms of what you do and also in terms of earning the trust and respect of the team who have been grinding for months/years and (2) involving your team captains to see what it would take for the kid to earn his way onto the field. As others said it's a long season, no reason he has to be plugged in as the #1 guy on day one.
The other advantage of that is you'll find out if he's willing to earn his way back on the field, or if he was hoping he'd just start catching touchdowns because of one phone call. The former you can work with, the latter is what messes up your team.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 13, 2018 18:33:14 GMT -6
I hope you will be wiscoach , good luck.
Hopefully your HC has learned something from this experience.
I'll own it...I'm the a-hole in this thread! Nah... maybe the kid will come out in week 5  It is good to get many perspectives to make a decision |
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Post by adawg2302 on Aug 13, 2018 22:05:19 GMT -6
How would you handle the situation if he was a "normal" dude, and not one of the best athletes in the state?
Already been asked and answered.
Might want to read through the thread before posting.
Man, and others wonder why people don't post anymore. Sorry to the OP for trying to help. Holy smokes. |
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Post by coachklee on Aug 14, 2018 8:26:20 GMT -6
So your starting 11 shouldn’t work out or condition? Isnt the point for each player to be their best? You aren’t just trying to start or be the best at your school, you are trying to beat other schools, and, if you want to play college, you are in competition with every player in the country. How is making the kid do bear crawls after practice or whatever going to make him a better athlete? That ship has sailed. He missed the summer. There is no "make up" for that. That's two months of work. When's the first game? A week or two? if this kid is as good as wiscoach says he is, then the coaching staff and the players should get down on their knees, shout a collective "Hallelujah" and give thanks to the football gods for such a generous gift. explained he has already missed 7 practices if I recall. That is different than skipping weights/conditioning. He owes something if that is the case. |
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Post by blb on Aug 15, 2018 6:51:21 GMT -6
Already been asked and answered.
Might want to read through the thread before posting.
Man, and others wonder why people don't post anymore. Sorry to the OP for trying to help. Holy smokes.
Sorry, but redundancy probably would not help OP.
And there seems to be a LOT of people still posting here.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 15, 2018 7:42:54 GMT -6
If he were missing seven practices because of another sport, REAL family obligation (funeral or wedding of a close family member), or something where he absolutely had to be gone, then we'd just make sure he made up the conditioning. But, in this circumstance, he would miss the first game, PERIOD. As has been pointed out, it's a slippery slope. Kids will start skipping August football because they know that they only need to do some conditioning to make up for it. That pales in comparison to the time the rest of the kids have put in; meetings, warm-up, indy time, inside run, skelly, team, condo, etc..etc.. Our guys put in a solid 7-8 hours per day of football once practice starts so it's not fair to them to allow a kid that's skipped to do what basically amounts to an extra hour of conditioning.
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