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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 21, 2018 17:02:45 GMT -6
Has anyone ever seen a former JUCO QB talk about his playing days more than this dude? "I WOULDA MADE THAT THROW" "STEP UP IN THE POCKET LIKE I WOULD HAVE DONE" I coach QBs, but have never played it aside from messing around at practice as an adult during scout team time. It's real easy to tell a QB what you would do, when you aren't in there, can see everything from the sideline, and don't have a bunch of dudes coming at you.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 22, 2018 0:34:54 GMT -6
Just finished.
1. The more I watch this the more I dislike the QB coach... he just comes across so fake and whiny
2. The QB can’t control himself at moments but I actually feel bad for him... when you see how his dad talks and has taken control of him you actually start to feel bad for him. He has so much pressure on him and doesn’t seem like he ever got to be a kid
3. I don’t know how you can watch this and not like the head coach... yes he’s off the hook. Yes he’s arrogant. Yes he appears underprepared each game... but he’s always been successful and most of what he’s saying is actually right... he doesn’t always express it in the most eloquent way... but for the most part he’s right
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 22, 2018 1:24:26 GMT -6
When Coach Brown was at Long Beach Cabrillo, he was your typical SoCal guy that went out recruiting illiegally and then cried victim when it was discovered that the players he sold a bill of goods to didn’t actually live in the houses they claimed to. It looks like he has done the same at the JC level. He begs kids to go and play for him but them treats them like chit once they are on his team. A total full class D-Bag
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Post by CS on Jul 22, 2018 5:09:31 GMT -6
Just finished. 1. The more I watch this the more I dislike the QB coach... he just comes across so fake and whiny 2. The QB can’t control himself at moments but I actually feel bad for him... when you see how his dad talks and has taken control of him you actually start to feel bad for him. He has so much pressure on him and doesn’t seem like he ever got to be a kid 3. I don’t know how you can watch this and not like the head coach... yes he’s off the hook. Yes he’s arrogant. Yes he appears underprepared each game... but he’s always been successful and most of what he’s saying is actually right... he doesn’t always express it in the most eloquent way... but for the most part he’s right I have a problem with guys who keep long hair and go into a professional setting. I’m saying this having been a guy in college with long hair and wore sandals everywhere. I have nothing against the look but once you step into a grownups world it’s time to leave certain things behind. Plus he was wearing his sunglasses during a night game in the second episode...come on man Edit: I also have a problem with 40 year olds still wearing their frat/sorority letters around. The only day it’s acceptable is when it’s a reunion day most Greek organizations have on homecoming. Otherwise all I see is the guy showing up to high school parties wearing his letter jacket from 1985
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2018 7:44:08 GMT -6
I'm on Episode 6, the Halloween episode. About that haunted house: I'm not going in there. That's some Blair Witch shyt.
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2018 8:10:42 GMT -6
Maybe it's the editing but it seems like nobody talks to those guys. They either yell and scream or beg and plead but nobody sits them down and gets to know them as people. It's damn frustrating watching this stuff,
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 22, 2018 11:15:29 GMT -6
Just finished. 1. The more I watch this the more I dislike the QB coach... he just comes across so fake and whiny 2. The QB can’t control himself at moments but I actually feel bad for him... when you see how his dad talks and has taken control of him you actually start to feel bad for him. He has so much pressure on him and doesn’t seem like he ever got to be a kid 3. I don’t know how you can watch this and not like the head coach... yes he’s off the hook. Yes he’s arrogant. Yes he appears underprepared each game... but he’s always been successful and most of what he’s saying is actually right... he doesn’t always express it in the most eloquent way... but for the most part he’s right I have a problem with guys who keep long hair and go into a professional setting. I’m saying this having been a guy in college with long hair and wore sandals everywhere. I have nothing against the look but once you step into a grownups world it’s time to leave certain things behind. Plus he was wearing his sunglasses during a night game in the second episode...come on man Edit: I also have a problem with 40 year olds still wearing their frat/sorority letters around. The only day it’s acceptable is when it’s a reunion day most Greek organizations have on homecoming. Otherwise all I see is the guy showing up to high school parties wearing his letter jacket from 1985 OK, but who do you think comes off as the absolutely least professional? It's got to be the HC IMO.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 22, 2018 12:25:02 GMT -6
I have a problem with guys who keep long hair and go into a professional setting. I’m saying this having been a guy in college with long hair and wore sandals everywhere. I have nothing against the look but once you step into a grownups world it’s time to leave certain things behind. Plus he was wearing his sunglasses during a night game in the second episode...come on man Edit: I also have a problem with 40 year olds still wearing their frat/sorority letters around. The only day it’s acceptable is when it’s a reunion day most Greek organizations have on homecoming. Otherwise all I see is the guy showing up to high school parties wearing his letter jacket from 1985 OK, but who do you think comes off as the absolutely least professional? It's got to be the HC IMO. but he's real he never claimed to be mr professional straight laced boring head coach guy he's abrassive... hes gonna cuss and yell and piss people off but he is going to Recruit top talent, he is going to Win, and he is going to get kids out of there to the next level He took a terrible team and did more in 2 years than they had done in the 30 prior to that. I am sure he/football has brought a ton of attention, students, and money into the school/city I loved what he said about coaching being overrated..."if you have the best player on the field he will run through 11 dudes if he believes in you" i've been there lol
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Post by Defcord on Jul 22, 2018 15:59:16 GMT -6
There’s some disturbing aspects of the show.
The cussing in general really doesn’t bother me. It’s just a tool in his delivery system. It’s not how I communicate but it does seem genuine. I feel like he would talk the same way to his mother or pastor or anyone.
That being said here are some issues I had with the show:
First: Yelling about how he’s “not going to suck their d’s.” Any the current climate any communication with sexual link probably isn’t smart.
Second: When he talks about choking out the Garden City coach and kind of bragging about it to his team seems inappropriate. And more disturbing with that experience telling a player that he is going to choke him out seems a little dangerous.
Third: This is about the show in general. I really didn’t like all of the times they air behind closed door conversation. I am sure the producers have a contract that allows them to play anything but if you are going to have real relationships as a team then then there has to be a boundary somewhere.
I think the craziest thing is Brown and some of the players have goals to move onto the next level, but how does someone take a shot on them with this on their resume?
The hot tub scenes are hilarious though...maybe the hardest I have laughed watching anything on television literally in years.
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Post by CS on Jul 22, 2018 16:45:54 GMT -6
There’s some disturbing aspects of the show. The cussing in general really doesn’t bother me. It’s just a tool in his delivery system. It’s not how I communicate but it does seem genuine. I feel like he would talk the same way to his mother or pastor or anyone. That being said here are some issues I had with the show: First: Yelling about how he’s “not going to suck their d’s.” Any the current climate any communication with sexual link probably isn’t smart. Second: When he talks about choking out the Garden City coach and kind of bragging about it to his team seems inappropriate. And more disturbing with that experience telling a player that he is going to choke him out seems a little dangerous. Third: This is about the show in general. I really didn’t like all of the times they air behind closed door conversation. I am sure the producers have a contract that allows them to play anything but if you are going to have real relationships as a team then then there has to be a boundary somewhere. I think the craziest thing is Brown and some of the players have goals to move onto the next level, but how does someone take a shot on them with this on their resume? The hot tub scenes are hilarious though...maybe the hardest I have laughed watching anything on television literally in years. The sucking d!ck thing to me falls under just his language and how he conducts himself. The threat of violence is really the only issue I had with Brown. Other than him turning everything into something about himself.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 22, 2018 16:59:33 GMT -6
There’s some disturbing aspects of the show. The cussing in general really doesn’t bother me. It’s just a tool in his delivery system. It’s not how I communicate but it does seem genuine. I feel like he would talk the same way to his mother or pastor or anyone. That being said here are some issues I had with the show: First: Yelling about how he’s “not going to suck their d’s.” Any the current climate any communication with sexual link probably isn’t smart. Second: When he talks about choking out the Garden City coach and kind of bragging about it to his team seems inappropriate. And more disturbing with that experience telling a player that he is going to choke him out seems a little dangerous. Third: This is about the show in general. I really didn’t like all of the times they air behind closed door conversation. I am sure the producers have a contract that allows them to play anything but if you are going to have real relationships as a team then then there has to be a boundary somewhere. I think the craziest thing is Brown and some of the players have goals to move onto the next level, but how does someone take a shot on them with this on their resume? The hot tub scenes are hilarious though...maybe the hardest I have laughed watching anything on television literally in years. The sucking d!ck thing to me falls under just his language and how he conducts himself. The threat of violence is really the only issue I had with Brown. Other than him turning everything into something about himself. I am not offended by it. But I could easily see it being far more frowned upon than the F-bombs. Agreed on your sentiment about him drawing attention on himself. It takes a certain kind of person to want the camera on them so it’s not that surprising. These shows make JUCOs out to be a circus and you can’t have a good circus without a few clowns.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 22, 2018 17:01:35 GMT -6
There’s some disturbing aspects of the show. The cussing in general really doesn’t bother me. It’s just a tool in his delivery system. It’s not how I communicate but it does seem genuine. I feel like he would talk the same way to his mother or pastor or anyone. That being said here are some issues I had with the show: First: Yelling about how he’s “not going to suck their d’s.” Any the current climate any communication with sexual link probably isn’t smart. Second: When he talks about choking out the Garden City coach and kind of bragging about it to his team seems inappropriate. And more disturbing with that experience telling a player that he is going to choke him out seems a little dangerous. Third: This is about the show in general. I really didn’t like all of the times they air behind closed door conversation. I am sure the producers have a contract that allows them to play anything but if you are going to have real relationships as a team then then there has to be a boundary somewhere. I think the craziest thing is Brown and some of the players have goals to move onto the next level, but how does someone take a shot on them with this on their resume? The hot tub scenes are hilarious though...maybe the hardest I have laughed watching anything on television literally in years. it would be an issue if I did it. My HC can say things I don't think about saying.. But people are terrified of the race card. I am not sure what you are alluding to specifically.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 22, 2018 17:14:19 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 19:50:29 GMT -6
Brown was a little over the top for my taste
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 22, 2018 19:51:07 GMT -6
I have seen the first 2 seasons and really enjoyed them. That being said, I am having a tough time with this season. I am on episode 3 and I am just not sure if I want to keep watching! The HC swears a lot and I am OK with it, but I can't get behind calling players MF'ers, essentially saying "hey MF'ers you gotta play better" I probably missed an MF'er or a phuk in there. But you get the picture. He is coaching through fear and intimidation he just prefaces it all with "phuk I want to see these kids get out of the hood, phuk" So maybe he cares?
The thing that bothers me the most is that kids and young coaches are watching this and think it is OK. So now come fall when a kid screws up and as coaches we don't come down on him with a big PHUK or call him an MF'er and tell him he is useless, our kids look at us like we aren't coaches. This guy gets instant cred because he is on a TV show. Someone posted already no such thing as bad publicity. When the first season of this came out we had a group on the edge, good players but they were on the edge type kids. I swear they thought they were in last chance HS and because we didn't throw stuff around and belittle them something was wrong.
After this I am sure I will finish watching the train wreck but it bugs me that this is how coaching and playing football is being sold. As an aside the coaching in this new school makes me think these guys are not that great, I think Buddy had a pretty competent staff around him, where as here it seems like the HC is the only credible guy. Maybe I am just not deep enough in yet..
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Post by junior6589 on Jul 23, 2018 5:22:56 GMT -6
Just finished episode 4 and went from on the fence about Brown to, yea he’s out of control. That game was a total embarrassment for a head coach of a team the way he acted with his players and staff.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jul 23, 2018 10:20:26 GMT -6
I'm NOT easily offended by language, but holy cow! BTW...I'm three minutes into the first episode...
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Post by klaby on Jul 23, 2018 11:23:05 GMT -6
I completed the whole season. As a Former Marine and son of a career Navy man I have used the F word probably more than most. I have heard it more than most. But this was WAY over the top. But I have been to some D3 practices and heard pretty close to the same. But when you have coaches fighting with each other on the sideline, and a QB who clearly doesn't respect you or your coaches and you do nothing about it. This is where I draw the line. That's what should cost this guy his job. But when you take over a crap program and now you win, people don't care, your winning. So I get why he has a job. Henry is a problem child that nobody wanted before this show, how many power 5 guys will want him after? Not to mention he didn't look all that impressive. You are the TOP #1 guy in the whole country according to the highly qualified experts at ESPN (yes sarcasm) and you cant dominate JUCO? Took bad sacks, blamed ever bad throw on the coach or a fellow player. Called the coach out openly. I mean I am sure every player says to himself "this idiot can call a play". The good ones never say it out loud. I think these shows don't help the low numbers that continue to plague football. Doesn't matter what we think, Mom's don't want their babies talked to like this no matter what they say. Kids don't want to be talked to like this. He will last 2-3 more years, then he will do something stupid and they will have no choice, but until he starts losing he will be golden...and POS D1 players will come and play for him because they believe he can help them get another D1 offer. And good coaches, strong coaches will continue to get turned down for jobs because this guy "wins", never mind he leaves a path of destruction in his wake, and never stays anywhere longer than 2-3 years...Win baby WIn....
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 23, 2018 12:01:41 GMT -6
In regards to the language:
I think "not being offended by it" and accepting it from the face of your organization are two different things. If I was on this guy's staff and he was MF this and MF that in meetings, it wouldn't bother me much at all. But if I was the President of the school and was out at practice and heard him MF this and MF that, I would find it unacceptable. You may recall a scene where there were town's people out watching practice in lawn chairs and blankets...men, women, children. If he is MFing in front of people like that, I would be embarrassed to be part of his staff and if I was the President, I definitely wouldn't accept it. And I know, he is winning and bringing all sorts of attention to the school. But if Im that President, I'm having a hard time looking in the mirror right now if I'm allowing this circus to go on.
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Post by CS on Jul 23, 2018 13:00:52 GMT -6
In regards to the language: I think "not being offended by it" and accepting it from the face of your organization are two different things. If I was on this guy's staff and he was MF this and MF that in meetings, it wouldn't bother me much at all. But if I was the President of the school and was out at practice and heard him MF this and MF that, I would find it unacceptable. You may recall a scene where there were town's people out watching practice in lawn chairs and blankets...men, women, children. If he is MFing in front of people like that, I would be embarrassed to be part of his staff and if I was the President, I definitely wouldn't accept it. And I know, he is winning and bringing all sorts of attention to the school. But if Im that President, I'm having a hard time looking in the mirror right now if I'm allowing this circus to go on. I get what you’re saying on a professional/moral standpoint but bottom line to school presidents IS the bottom line. This guy probably brings in the money and now that they are winning and on Netflix he will bring in more money. Money talks and bullchit walks
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Post by seabass on Jul 23, 2018 13:03:47 GMT -6
I'm on episode 3...
I found it comical how the HC blew his own horn about his ability to recruit, then refers to his recruits as "_- sticks" as if he forgot who recruited them.
He constantly reminds his 5-star guys of their screw-ups at past schools...I'm thinking to myself...no {censored}! If they hadn't screwed up they wouldn't be playing for your dumb ass in the middle of nowhere!
The QB coach is not remotely ready to handle the kinds of players they are recruiting. He can't seem to connect the dots between the lack of respect he gets and the fact that he hasn't earned any.
The HC referred to himself as a "savant" as a play caller but couldn't get a first down through 3 quarters in the opener.
It's entertaining as hell and I do appreciate it's rawness for what it is but it's also pretty pathetic. I will be shocked if it doesn't end up a full blown grease fire.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 23, 2018 13:19:33 GMT -6
It's reality tv, it needs to be shocking and edgy and all that crap. If they made it all about true football stuff I'm sure not many people are gonna watch a bunch of guys sitting in the dark breaking down film for hours. Let's be honest if someone mic'ed you up for a whole season and condensed it into 6 hours there isn't gonna be a lot of you gotta wrong arm the puller and spill it to the force player when we check white banjo cat. No it's gonna be the few times a game when you say something stupid like tackle him! Or catch the ball!! Other than us no one wants to see the X and Os, it's a dramedy staring a football team. There has to be actual coaching going on at some point, at least I would think there is.
As far as the HC, having only watched one episode so far, he's a dude from the streets and never pretends to be other wise. I at least respect him for that. Maybe having worked in the inner city for a long time I could see what he was going to be like having encountered many guys like him during my career and haven't been shocked so far. Everyone's at that school for a reason, what did the one coach say, when we had 20 out of state guys we had 20 knuckle heads now with unlimited out of state guys we have unlimited knuckle heads. It sucks people wat h and think this is a real representation of a football team. Knowing it's not makes it some good summer tv for myself.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 23, 2018 13:23:03 GMT -6
It sucks people wat h and think this is a real representation of a football team. Knowing it's not makes it some good summer tv for myself. Yes, but does having people think "This is what wingtol must be like too " make for rough fall, winter and spring?
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Post by seabass on Jul 23, 2018 14:09:20 GMT -6
It has to be sensational to make a show...I get that...nobody watches normal.
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Post by newcoryell on Jul 23, 2018 14:10:41 GMT -6
3 episodes in and I think the head coach is a joker and the qb is an entitled a$$hat. Malik needs a big STFU. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that his opinion of the coaching staff isn't accurate. That sums up my feelings perfectly.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 23, 2018 15:56:13 GMT -6
The injured kid...the center...Buckmanster? I like that kid a lot. Would definitely jump into a foxhole with that kid. And that Scott kid? The RB? #28? Holy crap...if I had that kid, he would literally have 40 carries a game! 😂 Yeah, looks like the transfers Wally Pipped themselves. Haven't watched the show, but will like any quote with Wally Pipp in it!
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Post by gccwolverine on Jul 23, 2018 16:31:52 GMT -6
There’s some disturbing aspects of the show. The cussing in general really doesn’t bother me. It’s just a tool in his delivery system. It’s not how I communicate but it does seem genuine. I feel like he would talk the same way to his mother or pastor or anyone. That being said here are some issues I had with the show: First: Yelling about how he’s “not going to suck their d’s.” Any the current climate any communication with sexual link probably isn’t smart. Second: When he talks about choking out the Garden City coach and kind of bragging about it to his team seems inappropriate. And more disturbing with that experience telling a player that he is going to choke him out seems a little dangerous. Third: This is about the show in general. I really didn’t like all of the times they air behind closed door conversation. I am sure the producers have a contract that allows them to play anything but if you are going to have real relationships as a team then then there has to be a boundary somewhere. I think the craziest thing is Brown and some of the players have goals to move onto the next level, but how does someone take a shot on them with this on their resume? The hot tub scenes are hilarious though...maybe the hardest I have laughed watching anything on television literally in years. I have a kid there. I can confirm that he would talk to his mother that way as our kid told our HC, "coach, he cussed his mother up an down on the practice field one day just like he does everyone else he talks too."
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Post by natenator on Jul 23, 2018 17:35:46 GMT -6
I'm on episode 3... I found it comical how the HC blew his own horn about his ability to recruit, then refers to his recruits as "_- sticks" as if he forgot who recruited them. He constantly reminds his 5-star guys of their screw-ups at past schools...I'm thinking to myself...no {censored}! If they hadn't screwed up they wouldn't be playing for your dumb ass in the middle of nowhere! The QB coach is not remotely ready to handle the kinds of players they are recruiting. He can't seem to connect the dots between the lack of respect he gets and the fact that he hasn't earned any. The HC referred to himself as a "savant" as a play caller but couldn't get a first down through 3 quarters in the opener. It's entertaining as hell and I do appreciate it's rawness for what it is but it's also pretty pathetic. I will be shocked if it doesn't end up a full blown grease fire. I’ve been around a coach who referred to players he has recruited as ‘chitbums’. My retort was: what does that make you as the coach who helped recruit them? he didn’t seem to find the insinuation very funny. I thought it hilarious
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 17:51:44 GMT -6
I think demeaning players is generally not the right way to get them to respond
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Post by Defcord on Jul 23, 2018 18:15:50 GMT -6
I think if I were a Brown supporter I would worry he is just part of the building process. If an administrator got to thinking, it’s nice that we are at a new level, but maybe a new coach could takes us to another level and represent the school in a little more positive light.
It wouldn’t take much to justify firing him.
On the contrary there’s a lot of people goodgling Jason Brown and ICC right now.
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