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Post by davecisar on Jul 19, 2018 17:16:00 GMT -6
Many High School programs are down numbers wise. Often times poorly run youth programs are part of the problem. We ALL need to work together to help the game grow- we are under attack from so many. At the youth level if we want to see our great game survive to help young men develop, we can’t continue doing things the way we’ve always done them. I’m Dave Cisar and I have a free 170 page book that helps youth football programs brand, market, recruit and engage more effectively in their communities. I started two different programs from scratch in Omaha and Lincoln Nebraska, both which became the largest and most successful in each marketplace. Today I run a growing program that added another team and about 20 players this season. I work with hundreds of youth programs every year and not all of them are shrinking. Some very well run programs are actually growing. Here is a podcast I did this week with USA Football on the basics of branding, guerrilla marketing and recruiting for youth programs. blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6443/podcast-consultant-and-coach-dave-cisar-discusses-how-to-build-a-successful-youth-football-program
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 19, 2018 20:55:37 GMT -6
In Youth Football you can teach great fundamentals, have fun, play everyone, be great sports and win. These aren't mutually exclusive goals. Clark Wilkins' sig puts it funnier: "Football is for the kids. But let's win anyway."
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Post by coachs21 on Jul 20, 2018 14:19:14 GMT -6
]I’m Dave Cisar and I have a free 170 page book that helps youth football programs brand, market, recruit and engage more effectively in their communities. If you don't mind can I get a copy of this book. I work with a youth team in Canada.
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Post by klaby on Jul 25, 2018 11:01:33 GMT -6
Coach,
The bottom line and this isn't rocket science, FUN. Kids need to have FUN. Its not FUN to get the crap kicked out of you 4 days a week and then on Saturday morning play 3 plays on the kick off team. Or to get screamed at by coach Sabanlombardi. FUN. A few years back I ran a youth club. we had 2 5th grade teams. 1 team lost every game, sometimes big. The other one was 5-3. Each had about 25 kids. the next year 23 kids came back on the 0-8 team and 8 for the 5-3 team. True story real numbers. So I called every kid's parents, some gave me the blow off. But 80% told me that their kid didn't have fun, their kid hated practice and the coach. The 8 that came back, 3 were coach's kids, the other 5 played every down both Off. and Def. The team that was 0-8, every kid played every game, not just the kick off team, every kid started at least 1 game on O or D. They had FUN!
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Post by bigshel on Jul 25, 2018 19:42:31 GMT -6
It's almost like you're saying winning and having fun are mutually exclusive.
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Post by klaby on Aug 1, 2018 12:00:34 GMT -6
It's almost like you're saying winning and having fun are mutually exclusive. No coach, what I am saying is winning is not what a lot of these kids at that age find to be the top priority in a sport they play. That should (at least we hope will change as they get older). What I am saying is you need to have balance. But the end of the day the kids just want to have fun.
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 1, 2018 23:03:47 GMT -6
It's almost like you're saying winning and having fun are mutually exclusive. No coach, what I am saying is winning is not what a lot of these kids at that age find to be the top priority in a sport they play. They're competitive in their individual role, but not necessarily as to the team as a whole. More than once after a game I've had to answer, "Did we win?" because the player was focused on the individual opponent opposite him.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 2, 2018 7:22:58 GMT -6
Below are the numbers for (high school) football participation in the state California: 2007: 107,916 2009: 104,224 2011: 103,921 2012: 103,088 2013: 102,505 2014: 103,464 2015: 103,725 2016: 100,205 2017: 97,079 2018: 94,286 8-player numbers have gone from 1,784 to 2,088 over the same period The PDF file is an official release from the state association, the CIF. On average, 50 players per team, and a 10,000 player decrease, the state has lost the equivalent of about 200 football teams, over the last 10 years.
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Post by bigshel on Aug 2, 2018 10:41:32 GMT -6
Below are the numbers for (high school) football participation in the state California: 2007: 107,916 2009: 104,224 2011: 103,921 2012: 103,088 2013: 102,505 2014: 103,464 2015: 103,725 2016: 100,205 2017: 97,079 2018: 94,286 8-player numbers have gone from 1,784 to 2,088 over the same period The PDF file is an official release from the state association, the CIF. On average, 50 players per team, and a 10,000 player decrease, the state has lost the equivalent of about 200 football teams, over the last 10 years. It's incredibly telling that the largest and most consistent drops in participation have occurred since the release of the movie "Concussion" in Dec. 2015 (~3k/year). It's weird that I could only see the link when I copied your post. *Edit: I copied and pasted the link, but it doesn't work.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 3, 2018 17:56:42 GMT -6
Are there rate stats? How is the percentage of students playing football changing?
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Post by hsrose on Aug 3, 2018 20:25:54 GMT -6
Sorry about the link, I didn't know that it was bonkers. Lets try this one.
Ok, I've pasted this thing about 3 times, edited it, changed it, and it still looks like the http... isn't there, but the link seems to work. All that is missing, if the link does not work, is the https:// before the d2o...
And an additional factor here is opening paragraph that states that overall participation is up 2.95% over last year, but football decreased by ~3k.
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 5, 2018 21:38:04 GMT -6
Some of this is demographics. An influx of Hispanics leads to more baseball & soccer -- maybe wrestling in some places too -- but not usu. more football or basketball.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 15, 2020 14:43:02 GMT -6
It's almost like you're saying winning and having fun are mutually exclusive. No coach, what I am saying is winning is not what a lot of these kids at that age find to be the top priority in a sport they play. That should (at least we hope will change as they get older). What I am saying is you need to have balance. But the end of the day the kids just want to have fun. So, i'm back. I've been away too long from these boards. Catching up on a lot of posts and want to callout this one. As I get long in the tooth as a coach....this statement is so true. The problem....our sanity as coaches is heavily impacted by the dam parents. In short, we can make all the parents happy and kids not have fun...or have it be all about the kids and have kids love you, fall in love with the game, and enjoy practices and games, but be hated by the parents because your game day execution and results suffer.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 30, 2020 12:09:39 GMT -6
There are also more youth sports playing out of their "natural" season...ex: baseball, soccer, lacrosse, basketball. So that kid that was playing football in the fall, baseball in the spring may now be playing baseball in spring and summer/fall with travel league. I have seen it first hand with lacrosse growing in the past decade in our state.
Numbers are down in sports that quite frankly are "tough" to play (or require toughness)- football and wrestling. It's not an easy sport to practice or compete in. I can't say that about these other sports in my experience. *sidenote I have coached HS football, youth football, youth wrestling, HS track, youth lacrosse and HS lacrosse* There is an outlet for kids that don't want collisions.
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Post by canesfan on Jan 30, 2020 20:07:10 GMT -6
It seems (without research) that sports participation in all sports is down in our area. I’m in KY (basketball state) and our rival had like 15 BBall kids 9-12 last year at a program that consistently wins. One of the bigger schools in the area to boot (still not a huge school).
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