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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 18, 2018 12:09:11 GMT -6
Would love to see it (not being sarcastic).
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Post by 60zgo on Jul 18, 2018 14:15:44 GMT -6
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Post by coachdawhip on Aug 11, 2018 8:36:01 GMT -6
We only do Shells, I don't do full pads when the season starts...
But Monday & Tuesday are full practice days..
We lift and watch film on Monday and Wednesday mornings....
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Post by huddlehut on Aug 11, 2018 10:29:35 GMT -6
M-T-W is full throttle. Thursday is ST. You play like you practice. We don't play in "helmets only". Ok... Thanks, Vince! |
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Post by blb on Aug 11, 2018 13:00:44 GMT -6
M-T-W is full throttle. Thursday is ST. You play like you practice. We don't play in "helmets only". Ok... Thanks, Vince!
huddlehut and your point by that ambiguous post is - what?
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Aug 11, 2018 13:57:09 GMT -6
It measures EKG, Brain Waves, Metabolism, CNS. Take those data points together and you can determine if an athlete is ready to practice. Your central nervous system can only handle so many max efforts in a week. Some say three, some say less. We use the 40/10 fly trend as a way to help us determine if a guy is too worn out to go full. Where do you coach MIT, Cal Tech, Johns Hopkins??? |
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 11, 2018 19:53:52 GMT -6
How does it measure metabolism?
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Post by 60zgo on Aug 12, 2018 9:06:05 GMT -6
It measures EKG, Brain Waves, Metabolism, CNS. Take those data points together and you can determine if an athlete is ready to practice. Your central nervous system can only handle so many max efforts in a week. Some say three, some say less. We use the 40/10 fly trend as a way to help us determine if a guy is too worn out to go full. Where do you coach MIT, Cal Tech, Johns Hopkins??? No. But plenty of larger universities use it. This isn't exactly cutting edge. |
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Post by 60zgo on Aug 12, 2018 9:12:47 GMT -6
How does it measure metabolism? Good question. IDK. I need a really good fundraiser so I can afford one.... I was at clinic last week speaking to a S&C coach for a Power 5 school. He said they swear by it in the Olympic sports. Football refuses to buy in.... But even if I had the cash it would be hard to justify during the current financial climate in schools. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 9:19:20 GMT -6
We do 3 days of practice every week. We always wear helmets, shoulderpads, 5 pad girdle. We rarely go full live, we never go to the ground, we quick whistle everything.
For a Friday game, we go mon-tues-weds, 2 hours each day, 2 special teams each day. Give them Thursday off, and then we lift on Friday morning.
For a Saturday game we go tues-weds-thurs, 2 hours each day, 2 special teams each day. Give them Friday off, but we will lift on Friday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 10:33:26 GMT -6
Because we give the kids so much time off, we do 3 full practices a week and really focus on hammering in our fundamentals.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 12:14:15 GMT -6
Your central nervous system can only handle so many max efforts in a week. Some say three, some say less. We use the 40/10 fly trend as a way to help us determine if a guy is too worn out to go full. So is where I think the logic is faulty. You are going to make a kid do a max effort sprint on Monday and Wednesday to see if he is too worn out. But yet should only be doing so many max efforts in a week. And then he has to play on Friday. Why in the world would you do max efforts during the week if you think you can only do so many in a week? And to test if they are too tired of all things. Let’s tire them out more and fry the CNS more to see if they can handle Friday night?? And what if they don’t pass? Does that mean they can’t practice or play? If it is can’t practice, you don’t think they will figure that out and run a crappy 40? Just don’t get it. |
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Post by 60zgo on Aug 12, 2018 12:33:41 GMT -6
Your central nervous system can only handle so many max efforts in a week. Some say three, some say less. We use the 40/10 fly trend as a way to help us determine if a guy is too worn out to go full. So is where I think the logic is faulty. You are going to make a kid do a max effort sprint on Monday and Wednesday to see if he is too worn out. But yet should only be doing so many max efforts in a week. And then he has to play on Friday. Why in the world would you do max efforts during the week if you think you can only do so many in a week? And to test if they are too tired of all things. Let’s tire them out more and fry the CNS more to see if they can handle Friday night?? And what if they don’t pass? Does that mean they can’t practice or play? If it is can’t practice, you don’t think they will figure that out and run a crappy 40? Just don’t get it. The flippant answer is: It works for us... We value speed above all things. The timed 40 serves multiple purposes for us. The first being an exercise that makes us faster. That 40 trend gives us an indicator. One of many that helps us decide how he will practice on Monday/Wednesday. M/W is a max effort day for us. Those are full contact days/max speed/lift. And if they fail it depends. What is a fail? A fail would be viewed differently depending on the kid. Again the 40/Fly 10 is just one thing we are looking at. Can't really explain it any better than that. You don't have to or need to get it. Do what you do. |
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 14:20:32 GMT -6
So is where I think the logic is faulty. You are going to make a kid do a max effort sprint on Monday and Wednesday to see if he is too worn out. But yet should only be doing so many max efforts in a week. And then he has to play on Friday. Why in the world would you do max efforts during the week if you think you can only do so many in a week? And to test if they are too tired of all things. Let’s tire them out more and fry the CNS more to see if they can handle Friday night?? And what if they don’t pass? Does that mean they can’t practice or play? If it is can’t practice, you don’t think they will figure that out and run a crappy 40? Just don’t get it. The flippant answer is: It works for us... We value speed above all things. The timed 40 serves multiple purposes for us. The first being an exercise that makes us faster. That 40 trend gives us an indicator. One of many that helps us decide how he will practice on Monday/Wednesday. M/W is a max effort day for us. Those are full contact days/max speed/lift. And if they fail it depends. What is a fail? A fail would be viewed differently depending on the kid. Again the 40/Fly 10 is just one thing we are looking at. Can't really explain it any better than that. You don't have to or need to get it. Do what you do. That is a good post. Do you not worry though, that is “too much” during the season? Not being a butt, real question. Is your position that you feel doing this keeps your team faster or makes them faster throughout the season? Now that, I can buy. Just let’s make them do a max effort so we can test whether or not they are tired becaue the CNS can only do so many max efforts, is what doesn’t make sense to me. I have often wondered about whether we should still do a max 40 or 20 or something during the season to make sure we stay at top speed. |
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Post by 60zgo on Aug 12, 2018 14:48:24 GMT -6
The flippant answer is: It works for us... We value speed above all things. The timed 40 serves multiple purposes for us. The first being an exercise that makes us faster. That 40 trend gives us an indicator. One of many that helps us decide how he will practice on Monday/Wednesday. M/W is a max effort day for us. Those are full contact days/max speed/lift. And if they fail it depends. What is a fail? A fail would be viewed differently depending on the kid. Again the 40/Fly 10 is just one thing we are looking at. Can't really explain it any better than that. You don't have to or need to get it. Do what you do. That is a good post. Do you not worry though, that is “too much” during the season? Not being a butt, real question. Is your position that you feel doing this keeps your team faster or makes them faster throughout the season? Now that, I can buy. Just let’s make them do a max effort so we can test whether or not they are tired becaue the CNS can only do so many max efforts, is what doesn’t make sense to me. I have often wondered about whether we should still do a max 40 or 20 or something during the season to make sure we stay at top speed. Let me clarify... M/W We go outside and warm up with your typical track style "running" drills. Then we run 3 timed 40's/10 M Fly. We have gotten faster over the course of the season doing this.(We could create a whole other thread to debate why it happens.) The max 40 forces you to ask some questions... Why is this individual slower? Why is this position group slower? The whole team? If you don't test it how do you track it? How do you solve a problem if you don't know any of the variables? We start with speed... We look at that data and ask ourselves is this guy fatigued/injured? Maybe. Let's dig deeper. If we think he is he might be low/no contact guy on Monday. M/W is max effort full speed/contact for us. Tuesday/Thursday is helmets only. As far as CNS we look at it as days not necessarily individual efforts. Does anyone ever have a max effort in football? No. But the days do pile up quickly. So you have maybe 3 Max effort days... I think it's actually 2 and for some guys it's 1. |
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 13, 2018 9:04:29 GMT -6
The big thing you can take from this thread is that there are a lot of right ways to structure your Monday practice.
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Post by doitforthekids on Aug 13, 2018 9:18:49 GMT -6
The big thing you can take from this thread is that there are a lot of right ways to structure your Monday practice. Agreed! Everyone has skills to teach/rep, scheme to install, situations to cover, while prepping the players bodies. Many different ways as long as it’s all covered. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 14, 2018 9:34:58 GMT -6
The flippant answer is: It works for us... We value speed above all things. The timed 40 serves multiple purposes for us. The first being an exercise that makes us faster. That 40 trend gives us an indicator. One of many that helps us decide how he will practice on Monday/Wednesday. M/W is a max effort day for us. Those are full contact days/max speed/lift. And if they fail it depends. What is a fail? A fail would be viewed differently depending on the kid. Again the 40/Fly 10 is just one thing we are looking at. Can't really explain it any better than that. You don't have to or need to get it. Do what you do. That is a good post. Do you not worry though, that is “too much” during the season? Not being a butt, real question. Is your position that you feel doing this keeps your team faster or makes them faster throughout the season? Now that, I can buy. Just let’s make them do a max effort so we can test whether or not they are tired becaue the CNS can only do so many max efforts, is what doesn’t make sense to me. I have often wondered about whether we should still do a max 40 or 20 or something during the season to make sure we stay at top speed. For RBs especially. Obviously top speed is very important but they rarely hit top speed, so running a 40 or 2 per week will keep their top speed up where it should be. |
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