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Post by CS on Aug 1, 2018 15:01:29 GMT -6
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t I don't know. Defensive coaches have been know to say, "Don't worry. They won't run that chit". Maybe when some dingleberry Lincoln Riley wanna be dials up a quadruple reverse pass when we are playing a DW team. Generally I like to think defensive guys have more sense than the visor fairies
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 2, 2018 11:20:24 GMT -6
I didn't say not to repeat a successful play until the defense adjusted-stopped it. I did that myself many times over 30 years calling plays.
To do otherwise would be poor coaching.
My point was to describe that tactic with any of those three phrases is cliché to the point of meaningless.
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t Truth! A pick is a damn pick! Or when the scout offense busts a big gain on the defense and the DC says, "we won't be in that defense against that formation." When you get exposed in practice it allows you to fix things. Justifying it will get you beat!
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 2, 2018 12:43:06 GMT -6
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t Truth! A pick is a damn pick! Or when the scout offense busts a big gain on the defense and the DC says, "we won't be in that defense against that formation." When you get exposed in practice it allows you to fix things. Justifying it will get you beat! An interesting and very historic football anecdote comes to mind here that is somewhat related. Tony Dorsett's famous 99 yard touchdown run came with only 10 offensive players on the field. They were supposed to be aligned two tight I formation with one receiver. The Fullback wasn't on the field, and reportedly this caused some confusion in the defense with regards to alignment. Obviously bad tackling and pursuit are more to blame.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 4, 2018 7:29:41 GMT -6
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t Truth! A pick is a damn pick! Or when the scout offense busts a big gain on the defense and the DC says, "we won't be in that defense against that formation." When you get exposed in practice it allows you to fix things. Justifying it will get you beat! I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game.
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Post by CS on Aug 4, 2018 8:08:02 GMT -6
Truth! A pick is a damn pick! Or when the scout offense busts a big gain on the defense and the DC says, "we won't be in that defense against that formation." When you get exposed in practice it allows you to fix things. Justifying it will get you beat! I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game. Lmao! That last part just happened to me. We were running a blitz period and I told the oc to run his plays and practice their hot routes. I wanted to see us do the blitzes correctly but at the same time rally to a completed throw because it will happen and I want us to be prepared. To make a long story short they weren’t doing well and so after a few reps the QB just stands their for what seemed like an eternity and threw a deep bomb over the top for a score. Offensive guys went freaking bananas Can’t trust those guys to do what you ask for too long
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 4, 2018 10:06:46 GMT -6
I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game. Lmao! That last part just happened to me. We were running a blitz period and I told the oc to run his plays and practice their hot routes. I wanted to see us do the blitzes correctly but at the same time rally to a completed throw because it will happen and I want us to be prepared. To make a long story short they weren’t doing well and so after a few reps the QB just stands their for what seemed like an eternity and threw a deep bomb over the top for a score. Offensive guys went freaking bananas Can’t trust those guys to do what you ask for too long My favorite is toss sweep in inside run. Ya, that's going to look awesome with no force or secondary force player with the OLBs and CBs over doing 7on7...
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Post by carookie on Aug 4, 2018 10:28:49 GMT -6
Truth! A pick is a damn pick! Or when the scout offense busts a big gain on the defense and the DC says, "we won't be in that defense against that formation." When you get exposed in practice it allows you to fix things. Justifying it will get you beat! I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game. Could be worse, I worked with a DC who did the opposite- he would draw up scout O play calls that were perfect for his D to look successful (he was the HC too so it was almost like he was trying to justify to everyone how well his stuff worked, so that if it failed it wasn't his fault). I can think of multiple times seeing kids get concussed while running toss into his CB blitz, or similar type plays.
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Post by blb on Aug 4, 2018 14:11:53 GMT -6
There is a conundrum between wanting your kids to have confidence (script best calls vs. opponents' plays) and having them be able to react when offensive-defensive calls (or offensive audible) puts them in worst possible position.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 4, 2018 16:36:48 GMT -6
I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game. Could be worse, I worked with a DC who did the opposite- he would draw up scout O play calls that were perfect for his D to look successful (he was the HC too so it was almost like he was trying to justify to everyone how well his stuff worked, so that if it failed it wasn't his fault). I can think of multiple times seeing kids get concussed while running toss into his CB blitz, or similar type plays. I've worked with that guy too. I generally didn't script plays because I wanted them to occasionally embarrass us to keep the ego in check. I would occasionally ask them to run a certain play so I could see something. I don't like scripting on either side of the ball in any situation. I've always thought scripting was pretty egotistical. I mean, how often do you see exactly what you think you're going to see? For a two year stretch we never saw the defense we ever saw on film. Like, ever.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 4, 2018 17:09:15 GMT -6
About 15 years ago, I was an OC. We used to do a goal-line period from the 5-yard line. We would do 3 series. If offense scored twice, defense did pushups. If defense stopped offense twice, offense did push-ups. We (offense) got really good at doing push-ups that year. That's because we could not call any pass plays or run the ball outside. And, of course, the defense knew it. So, we would call the play, break the huddle, and look at 11 dudes within 3 yards of the ball just frothing at the mouth. They would just tee off on us and then would whoop and holler like they just won the lottery. DC would be standing in the back of the endzone talking sh1t about how his defense was kicking the offense's butt. After the first time, I complained vociferously to the HC about how unrealistic the drill was. HC didn't want to hear it. He basically said something to the effect of, "They have 11 guys just like you. If your guys block the play right, it doesn't matter what the defense is doing." So, I was like, "whatever". So, whenever we did that drill the rest of the year, I would tell the offense, "Ok guys...let's get this over with. We are going to run FB dive 12 times in a row. After you get the handoff, just get to the ground as fast as you can and protect yourself". We did manage to get the defense to jump offsides several times. And of course, when we did, we whooped and hollered like we just won the lottery!
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Post by silkyice on Aug 4, 2018 17:34:55 GMT -6
About 15 years ago, I was an OC. We used to do a goal-line period from the 5-yard line. We would do 3 series. If offense scored twice, defense did pushups. If defense stopped offense twice, offense did push-ups. We (offense) got really good at doing push-ups that year. That's because we could not call any pass plays or run the ball outside. And, of course, the defense knew it. So, we would call the play, break the huddle, and look at 11 dudes within 3 yards of the ball just frothing at the mouth. They would just tee off on us and then would whoop and holler like they just won the lottery. DC would be standing in the back of the endzone talking sh1t about how his defense was kicking the offense's butt. After the first time, I complained vociferously to the HC about how unrealistic the drill was. HC didn't want to hear it. He basically said something to the effect of, "They have 11 guys just like you. If your guys block the play right, it doesn't matter what the defense is doing." So, I was like, "whatever". So, whenever we did that drill the rest of the year, I would tell the offense, "Ok guys...let's get this over with. We are going to run FB dive 12 times in a row. After you get the handoff, just get to the ground as fast as you can and protect yourself". We did manage to get the defense to jump offsides several times. And of course, when we did, we whooped and hollered like we just won the lottery! Why couldn’t you throw or run outside?
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Post by 19delta on Aug 4, 2018 18:27:43 GMT -6
About 15 years ago, I was an OC. We used to do a goal-line period from the 5-yard line. We would do 3 series. If offense scored twice, defense did pushups. If defense stopped offense twice, offense did push-ups. We (offense) got really good at doing push-ups that year. That's because we could not call any pass plays or run the ball outside. And, of course, the defense knew it. So, we would call the play, break the huddle, and look at 11 dudes within 3 yards of the ball just frothing at the mouth. They would just tee off on us and then would whoop and holler like they just won the lottery. DC would be standing in the back of the endzone talking sh1t about how his defense was kicking the offense's butt. After the first time, I complained vociferously to the HC about how unrealistic the drill was. HC didn't want to hear it. He basically said something to the effect of, "They have 11 guys just like you. If your guys block the play right, it doesn't matter what the defense is doing." So, I was like, "whatever". So, whenever we did that drill the rest of the year, I would tell the offense, "Ok guys...let's get this over with. We are going to run FB dive 12 times in a row. After you get the handoff, just get to the ground as fast as you can and protect yourself". We did manage to get the defense to jump offsides several times. And of course, when we did, we whooped and hollered like we just won the lottery! Why couldn’t you throw or run outside? Those were the rules that were set for the period.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2018 19:41:31 GMT -6
Why couldn’t you throw or run outside? Those were the rules that were set for the period. How was the team's goal line defense that year?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 4, 2018 20:00:53 GMT -6
Why couldn’t you throw or run outside? Those were the rules that were set for the period. But yet 11 vs 11? Yeah, that makes sense. So you have 6 gaps to run, and they have 11 guys to defend that. No wonder you hated that drill.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 4, 2018 20:28:58 GMT -6
Those were the rules that were set for the period. How was the team's goal line defense that year? We were really good against teams that lined up in dub tight, full-house backfield and ran between the tackles 4 plays in a row!
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Post by 19delta on Aug 4, 2018 20:31:58 GMT -6
Those were the rules that were set for the period. But yet 11 vs 11? Yeah, that makes sense. So you have 6 gaps to run, and they have 11 guys to defend that. No wonder you hated that drill. The HC was a good guy from whom I learned a ton of football. But I never quite understood what that purpose of this drill was, other than to let the DC puff out his chest.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 4, 2018 21:08:57 GMT -6
I like to script because I want to ensure that we are scripting in some "bad calls" by me so the kids get some reps at that and have to manage the play. And maybe this next part is my d-bag ego but I make sure to explain to some guys after those plays that we scripted a bad scenario for us there.
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Post by CS on Aug 5, 2018 5:27:19 GMT -6
Those were the rules that were set for the period. How was the team's goal line defense that year? Cudos to you for following the rules no matter how dumb they are though
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Post by CS on Aug 5, 2018 5:31:25 GMT -6
I script the plays ran but not the calls. Generally I will run a 10 min blitz period where we blitz vs plays. I call out the plays to the scout guy but the play doesn’t matter because I just want them adjusting to the formations if need be.
The rest of the time we work base(game plan) defense.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 5, 2018 6:56:19 GMT -6
I like to script because I want to ensure that we are scripting in some "bad calls" by me so the kids get some reps at that and have to manage the play. And maybe this next part is my d-bag ego but I make sure to explain to some guys after those plays that we scripted a bad scenario for us there. I think this is important and I want to script in formations that we have automatic checks to so I know our kids are going to to see it and be able to do it in the game.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 5, 2018 7:01:48 GMT -6
I don't know. Defensive coaches have been know to say, "Don't worry. They won't run that chit". Maybe when some dingleberry Lincoln Riley wanna be dials up a quadruple reverse pass when we are playing a DW team. Generally I like to think defensive guys have more sense than the visor fairies Especially when said dingleberry also relives his glory days by being the scout team qb so he can pitch the ball and wheel out the backfield to be on the receiving end of the td pass that reboosts his ego for weeks to come.
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Post by CoachSP on Aug 16, 2018 11:34:33 GMT -6
Coaches who use "I" or "my" or "mine".
My team. My assistants. My headsets.
The constant reminder that they are in charge in a room where literally no one is challenging your authority. I don't get it.
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Post by blb on Aug 16, 2018 11:56:25 GMT -6
Coaches who use "I" or "my" or "mine". My team. My assistants. My headsets. The constant reminder that they are in charge in a room where literally no one is challenging your authority. I don't get it.
Same could be said about assistants who talk about "my offense (or defense)", "my line (or whatever position group)."
It should all be "we," "us," or "our."
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Post by coachZL on Aug 17, 2018 10:33:52 GMT -6
I didn't say not to repeat a successful play until the defense adjusted-stopped it. I did that myself many times over 30 years calling plays.
To do otherwise would be poor coaching.
My point was to describe that tactic with any of those three phrases is cliché to the point of meaningless.
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t As a DC when Im helping on scout team and the OC say to line guys up in different looks I always line them up so they are balanced with the offense. At some point during the period I always end up hearing (usualy when we are stopping one play) "THEY ARENT GOING TO LINE UP LIKE THAT" or "THEY ARENT GOING TO PLAY THAT COVERAGE" then proceed to line guys up so the play works. I just shake my head because any DC worth a chit isnt going to allow his defense to be outnumbered.
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Post by gccwolverine on Aug 17, 2018 12:26:03 GMT -6
I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game. Could be worse, I worked with a DC who did the opposite- he would draw up scout O play calls that were perfect for his D to look successful (he was the HC too so it was almost like he was trying to justify to everyone how well his stuff worked, so that if it failed it wasn't his fault). I can think of multiple times seeing kids get concussed while running toss into his CB blitz, or similar type plays. I try to script 20 plays of Team D a day about 5 of those plays I want the perfect call against them, about 10 of them I want base D, and about 5 of them I try and purposefully put us in bad spots where I as a coach make a bad call because it's going to happen on a Friday night, and I let my kids know that..... like bringing 2 off the edge vs RB swing so that the SS has to peel off his blitz and go match him ect. ect.
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Post by fantom on Aug 17, 2018 12:36:47 GMT -6
I like to script because I want to ensure that we are scripting in some "bad calls" by me so the kids get some reps at that and have to manage the play. And maybe this next part is my d-bag ego but I make sure to explain to some guys after those plays that we scripted a bad scenario for us there. I think this is important and I want to script in formations that we have automatic checks to so I know our kids are going to to see it and be able to do it in the game. Sometimes we don't even run the play. Once I hear and see the correct check and adjustment I blow the whistle an we move on.
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Post by chidesta on Aug 17, 2018 13:08:36 GMT -6
If I ever attend a clinic & the guy says, "You know what? We are seriously loaded and the only reason I'm up here is b/c my dudes are straight up Hoss's. In fact, we coulda ran anything and been good" I will seriously start a classic slow clap and gradually rise to my feet. I just hope there isn't that awkward pause after 15 seconds where I realize I'm the only one and then have to quietly take my seat. The slow clap is an art few have mastered. I was asked in 2014 to talk at our state association's spring clinic after made the quarterfinals in 2013. My topic was "How to make your coop work" as we were a coop of 3 schools at the time. I had a title screen with my name, number, email, topic name, etc. I began my speech with a question. "Want to know how to make your coop work?" Then I clicked to the next screen that had our 2200yd tailback and our 1800yd human freak of a fullback in one picture and said- "Get two of these dudes and run the I. Questions?" And just stood there. Everyone looked at me like I was a dip {censored} so I went on. I thought that was coaching comedy gold personally. That sounds eerily similar to what the Baylor WR coach said in a clinic, back when Art Bryles was the HC. It went something like this, "well Coaches our X is about 6-3 and runs a 4.3 40 and the guy on the other side is even bigger and better so we just throw them the ball allot of the time." "Well coach what if they are covered?" "When you are 6-3 and run a 4.3 40 and can jump out of the GYM are you ever really covered, hey guys anyway it's been fun hope ya learned allot anyone got any questions?"
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Post by coachklee on Aug 18, 2018 6:32:49 GMT -6
Why couldn’t you throw or run outside? Those were the rules that were set for the period. I would’ve refused to do it. A perimeter run or rollout pass can be some of the best goal line calls.
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Post by gators41 on Aug 23, 2018 10:15:38 GMT -6
my new one that I love to hate is "how you do anything is how you do everything" I hate it for many reasons, most importantly that it is just completely absurd. I mean really? everything? so when it's 10:00pm after a long day and dishes need done you go over every surface of each dish with a toothbrush and then map out the perfect dishwasher layout so that each piece gets maximum coverage from the water jets and steam? ...or maybe you are like me and you spray some water on those mofo's and chuck em in there any whichaway that will fit and go on about your life. the whole quote reminds me of the type of people who obsessively iron their underwear and practice having human conversations in the mirror, those dudes end up with dead bodies buried in the back yard....regular people are lazy sometimes and make mistakes why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too my position coach in high school was an old guy that had coached 40 years...we had a saturday practice toward the tail end of two a days in the blazing sun...coach gathers us up and says "look...it's freaking hot and none of us feel like being here doing these same freaking drills over again...but here we are so I'll try to overcome it and coach ya'll and you guys try and get some good reps as we go and after a while we'll be done and we can drag our carcasses home" not the kind of speech that they put into movies or that make a coach look like an ultimate leader....... but we had a good practice and we all loved that coach for never acting like a douche and giving us a bunch of stupid cliches like "how you do anything is how you do everything"...and as I got older and wanted advice about something he was the guy that I would call yeah yeah yeah I'm a cynical jerk and I need to read a book by flip flipping flippen or some other self help con man to change my perspective and grab the bullhorns of purpose driven life thank you Something about Zach Smith, the anti process, White house pics and amazon purchases
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Post by fshamrock on Aug 23, 2018 10:34:45 GMT -6
my new one that I love to hate is "how you do anything is how you do everything" I hate it for many reasons, most importantly that it is just completely absurd. I mean really? everything? so when it's 10:00pm after a long day and dishes need done you go over every surface of each dish with a toothbrush and then map out the perfect dishwasher layout so that each piece gets maximum coverage from the water jets and steam? ...or maybe you are like me and you spray some water on those mofo's and chuck em in there any whichaway that will fit and go on about your life. the whole quote reminds me of the type of people who obsessively iron their underwear and practice having human conversations in the mirror, those dudes end up with dead bodies buried in the back yard....regular people are lazy sometimes and make mistakes why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too my position coach in high school was an old guy that had coached 40 years...we had a saturday practice toward the tail end of two a days in the blazing sun...coach gathers us up and says "look...it's freaking hot and none of us feel like being here doing these same freaking drills over again...but here we are so I'll try to overcome it and coach ya'll and you guys try and get some good reps as we go and after a while we'll be done and we can drag our carcasses home" not the kind of speech that they put into movies or that make a coach look like an ultimate leader....... but we had a good practice and we all loved that coach for never acting like a douche and giving us a bunch of stupid cliches like "how you do anything is how you do everything"...and as I got older and wanted advice about something he was the guy that I would call yeah yeah yeah I'm a cynical jerk and I need to read a book by flip flipping flippen or some other self help con man to change my perspective and grab the bullhorns of purpose driven life thank you Something about Zach Smith, the anti process, White house pics and amazon purchases yeah what a mess and that whole thing wouldn't have looked so badly on ol' coach meyer if he was just upfront about what he is...a guy who is really good at winning football games and is more than willing to stretch the bounds of what is ethical or legal in order to get that done...i mean come on...aaron freaking hernandez played for him and stayed eligible.........he sells himself as a super moral guy self help guru culture changer leader of men guy so it's worse, like when a preacher gets busted sniffing meth off of some dudes lower back tattoo
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