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Post by fshamrock on Jul 1, 2018 11:18:29 GMT -6
my new one that I love to hate is
"how you do anything is how you do everything"
I hate it for many reasons, most importantly that it is just completely absurd. I mean really? everything? so when it's 10:00pm after a long day and dishes need done you go over every surface of each dish with a toothbrush and then map out the perfect dishwasher layout so that each piece gets maximum coverage from the water jets and steam? ...or maybe you are like me and you spray some water on those mofo's and chuck em in there any whichaway that will fit and go on about your life.
the whole quote reminds me of the type of people who obsessively iron their underwear and practice having human conversations in the mirror, those dudes end up with dead bodies buried in the back yard....regular people are lazy sometimes and make mistakes
why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too
my position coach in high school was an old guy that had coached 40 years...we had a saturday practice toward the tail end of two a days in the blazing sun...coach gathers us up and says "look...it's freaking hot and none of us feel like being here doing these same freaking drills over again...but here we are so I'll try to overcome it and coach ya'll and you guys try and get some good reps as we go and after a while we'll be done and we can drag our carcasses home"
not the kind of speech that they put into movies or that make a coach look like an ultimate leader....... but we had a good practice and we all loved that coach for never acting like a douche and giving us a bunch of stupid cliches like "how you do anything is how you do everything"...and as I got older and wanted advice about something he was the guy that I would call
yeah yeah yeah I'm a cynical jerk and I need to read a book by flip flipping flippen or some other self help con man to change my perspective and grab the bullhorns of purpose driven life thank you
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 1, 2018 15:07:36 GMT -6
Process and culture are important words but they do get overused right now.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 1, 2018 15:24:01 GMT -6
my new one that I love to hate is "how you do anything is how you do everything" I hate it for many reasons, most importantly that it is just completely absurd. I mean really? everything? so when it's 10:00pm after a long day and dishes need done you go over every surface of each dish with a toothbrush and then map out the perfect dishwasher layout so that each piece gets maximum coverage from the water jets and steam? ...or maybe you are like me and you spray some water on those mofo's and chuck em in there any whichaway that will fit and go on about your life. the whole quote reminds me of the type of people who obsessively iron their underwear and practice having human conversations in the mirror, those dudes end up with dead bodies buried in the back yard....regular people are lazy sometimes and make mistakes why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too my position coach in high school was an old guy that had coached 40 years...we had a saturday practice toward the tail end of two a days in the blazing sun...coach gathers us up and says "look...it's freaking hot and none of us feel like being here doing these same freaking drills over again...but here we are so I'll try to overcome it and coach ya'll and you guys try and get some good reps as we go and after a while we'll be done and we can drag our carcasses home" not the kind of speech that they put into movies or that make a coach look like an ultimate leader....... but we had a good practice and we all loved that coach for never acting like a douche and giving us a bunch of stupid cliches like "how you do anything is how you do everything"...and as I got older and wanted advice about something he was the guy that I would call yeah yeah yeah I'm a cynical jerk and I need to read a book by flip flipping flippen or some other self help con man to change my perspective and grab the bullhorns of purpose driven life thank you my first thought it you actually dont need to pre wash your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher (most of the time) I read an article that says it wastes a lot of water per year because the dishwasher would've gotten it clean anyway related to your question... everyone says trust the process now EVERYONE i have started telling people that the process trusts me
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 1, 2018 16:04:41 GMT -6
my new one that I love to hate is "how you do anything is how you do everything" I hate it for many reasons, most importantly that it is just completely absurd. I mean really? everything? so when it's 10:00pm after a long day and dishes need done you go over every surface of each dish with a toothbrush and then map out the perfect dishwasher layout so that each piece gets maximum coverage from the water jets and steam? ...or maybe you are like me and you spray some water on those mofo's and chuck em in there any whichaway that will fit and go on about your life. the whole quote reminds me of the type of people who obsessively iron their underwear and practice having human conversations in the mirror, those dudes end up with dead bodies buried in the back yard....regular people are lazy sometimes and make mistakes why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too my position coach in high school was an old guy that had coached 40 years...we had a saturday practice toward the tail end of two a days in the blazing sun...coach gathers us up and says "look...it's freaking hot and none of us feel like being here doing these same freaking drills over again...but here we are so I'll try to overcome it and coach ya'll and you guys try and get some good reps as we go and after a while we'll be done and we can drag our carcasses home" not the kind of speech that they put into movies or that make a coach look like an ultimate leader....... but we had a good practice and we all loved that coach for never acting like a douche and giving us a bunch of stupid cliches like "how you do anything is how you do everything"...and as I got older and wanted advice about something he was the guy that I would call yeah yeah yeah I'm a cynical jerk and I need to read a book by flip flipping flippen or some other self help con man to change my perspective and grab the bullhorns of purpose driven life thank you I'm gonna defend this a little bit... Had a coach that used to say "There's only been one perfect person and he died 2000 years ago, so go easy on yourself", which I can totally jive with. But at the same time, I have athletes that will work like dogs in the weight room, learn every position on the offense even though they play C, are coachable, play hard, lead by example, lead with supportive words... but have a 2.1 GPA for no reason beyond laziness. That kid needs to hear "how you do anything is how you do everything." That said, I've always believed in examples like you give where you give the "embrace the suck" talk, too. Coaches need social agility and flexibility in order to go far, that's where knowing your situation and having a deep toolbox comes in. As far as coachspeak goes... I die a little inside when I hear coaches mis-use phrases. One HC I know doesn't fully grasp the meaning of this Saban quote he uses a lot "There's no continuum to success", he seems to equate it with something like success doesn't continue to happen while it actually means that you've never made it all the way to SUCCESS. I mentally facepalm every time.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 1, 2018 18:32:45 GMT -6
This was 15 years ago, but heard a DC talk about being a bend but don’t break attacking defense. ?? He was just throwing all the buzz words around.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 9:15:28 GMT -6
I have grown to despise, "You are either coaching it that way or you are letting it happen." Um...not really. When you have 17 varsity players and your DE is still jumping offsides 3x a game by week 7 and his backup is a 130lbs sophomore, then that isn't the DE coach's fault!
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Post by carookie on Jul 2, 2018 9:38:23 GMT -6
I have grown to despise, "You are either coaching it that way or you are letting it happen." Um...not really. When you have 17 varsity players and your DE is still jumping offsides 3x a game by week 7 and his backup is a 130lbs sophomore, then that isn't the DE coach's fault! I am actually a big fan of that saying, and I think you are taking it out of context a bit with the latter part of your statement. If your backup DEis 130 lbs nobody is expecting you to have him out play a d1 level opponent. This statement is meant to be measured with the players potential in mind, not what he does relative to others. If your starting DE actually lacks the mental capacity to not jump, well then you have done all you can with him. I think this statement is aimed more at th coaches who just tell players what to do, and then expect players to execute it in the heat of competition (without consistently repping it and drilling it). They ignore the premise that we are what we repeatedly do, not what we are repeatedly told. Its akin to a teacher who says "its my job to teach and their job to learn", though technically correct it s connotative outcome is bad instructive practices.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 2, 2018 11:05:54 GMT -6
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over amd over but expecting different results.”
While I actually really like this quote and there is a ton of truth in it, it can't be applied to everything and every situation in football.
Two years ago we were in the wing t and doing the same weight program. Had a rare down year. Someone could apply that quote and say that we better change offense, defense, strength program, etc. or we should just expect the same results. Nope, kept everything the same and made the semi’s last year, and have a legit shot at state this year if we stay healthy.
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Post by carookie on Jul 2, 2018 11:07:23 GMT -6
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over amd over but expecting different results.” While I actually really like this quote and there is a ton of truth in it, it can't be applied to everything and every situation in football. Two years ago we were in the wing t and doing the same weight program. Had a rare down year. Someone could apply that quote and say that we better change offense, defense, strength program, etc. or we should just expect the same results. Nope, kept everything the same and made the semi’s last year, and have a legit shot at state this year if we stay healthy. I'm with you on this one. It doesn't take into account all the outside variables.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 2, 2018 11:09:16 GMT -6
Double post
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Post by s73 on Jul 2, 2018 12:10:20 GMT -6
Not really coach speak but more clinic talk / experience. Drives me NUTS when you listen to a guy giving a clinic and he says "My guys are no different from your guys, just average HS kids and blah..blah" then puts the tape on and the '85 Bears pi$$ themselves a little.
I know many of these teams are still well coached but the tagline of we have guys just like everybody else when you don't annoys me. Nothing wrong w/ having talent. When we're up I say it. Ain't takin' credit for all the wins nor blame for all the losses.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:21:58 GMT -6
I have grown to despise, "You are either coaching it that way or you are letting it happen." Um...not really. When you have 17 varsity players and your DE is still jumping offsides 3x a game by week 7 and his backup is a 130lbs sophomore, then that isn't the DE coach's fault! I am actually a big fan of that saying, and I think you are taking it out of context a bit with the latter part of your statement. If your backup DEis 130 lbs nobody is expecting you to have him out play a d1 level opponent. This statement is meant to be measured with the players potential in mind, not what he does relative to others. If your starting DE actually lacks the mental capacity to not jump, well then you have done all you can with him. I think this statement is aimed more at th coaches who just tell players what to do, and then expect players to execute it in the heat of competition (without consistently repping it and drilling it). They ignore the premise that we are what we repeatedly do, not what we are repeatedly told. Its akin to a teacher who says "its my job to teach and their job to learn", though technically correct it s connotative outcome is bad instructive practices. In regards to my situation, it IS in context. Hence, I have come to hate the phrase.
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Post by **** on Jul 2, 2018 12:26:42 GMT -6
Everything in moderation. Including moderation.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:30:29 GMT -6
why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too Here's the thing...it's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. There does not have to be some grand vision and design that ends up with your players volunteering every Saturday night to play checkers with crippled kids who have tuberculosis or something like that. Be a good role model by showing up on time, keeping your vices to yourself, giving the kids your best effort, and treating the kids fairly. If you can do those things, you are going to be a pretty good coach.
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 2, 2018 12:42:08 GMT -6
There's no "I" in TEAM.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:53:52 GMT -6
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Post by CS on Jul 2, 2018 13:11:00 GMT -6
Not really coach speak but more clinic talk / experience. Drives me NUTS when you listen to a guy giving a clinic and he says "My guys are no different from your guys, just average HS kids and blah..blah" then puts the tape on and the '85 Bears pi$$ themselves a little. I know many of these teams are still well coached but the tagline of we have guys just like everybody else when you don't annoys me. Nothing wrong w/ having talent. When we're up I say it. Ain't takin' credit for all the wins nor blame for all the losses. It’s these guys who buy into their own bull$hit in my opinion. Like they are the greatest coaches in the land because they have great players and try to make it seem like it isn’t their 6’4 4.3 forty receiver that makes that fade pattern hit so often. Not that you can’t be a great coach AND have great players, but the first words out of those guys mouths are usually that they were blessed to have great football players that make them look good.
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Post by s73 on Jul 2, 2018 14:19:56 GMT -6
I have grown to despise, "You are either coaching it that way or you are letting it happen." Um...not really. When you have 17 varsity players and your DE is still jumping offsides 3x a game by week 7 and his backup is a 130lbs sophomore, then that isn't the DE coach's fault! AGREED! Most guys who say this haven't been in really tough circumstances. OR....they say it when things are going really good for them. I've been a HC at 2 schools in my life & both jobs were considered "undesirable". Both smallest schools in their respective conferences, one a lack of success over almost 40 years and I was 1 of only 2 candidates that applied for it. The 2nd was a start up program at a place that hadn't had FB before (I'm still their) and I was 1 of 3 candidates. In both places I made the play offs in 3 years both schools respectively. WITH THAT SAID, in schools like that, at times you are somewhat powerless due to numbers, talent, kids having multiple commitments, injury, etc, Sure it's like that everywhere but some places it's a little MORE like that. Example, I like to motion and run "freeze" play to get defense to jump offsides. In 2011 we were division champs. But....had 1 kid (w/ no replacement in sight) that would jump overtime we tried (game / practices). So I changed it from freeze to NO PLAY as a huddle call. I intro'd it as Spread right NO PLAY b/c we have NO PLAY! Kid still jumped about 4-5 times after that. I went NUTS on him & said "Who are you going to block? We have NO PLAY called". I wasn't "letting" that happened. Repped it, changed the name, had other kids in the huddle be reminders to him....whatcha gonna do? The lack of threat of being replaced played a role IMO.
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Post by **** on Jul 2, 2018 15:39:02 GMT -6
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 2, 2018 19:29:46 GMT -6
Process and culture are important words but they do get overused right now. Had an assistant who would always say “yeah but culture outweighs scheme” anytime we had a weekend meeting during the season. I would always respond with “our scheme and preparation is a big part of our culture!” It was his way to hide his lack of knowledge and unwillingness to work so he would throw around the catchphrase.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 2, 2018 19:54:21 GMT -6
Iron sharpens iron.
No idea why but just sick of seeing that on every weight room t-shirt or wall.
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Post by huddlehut on Jul 2, 2018 21:48:56 GMT -6
why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too Here's the thing...it's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. There does not have to be some grand vision and design that ends up with your players volunteering every Saturday night to play checkers with crippled kids who have tuberculosis or something like that. Be a good role model by showing up on time, keeping your vices to yourself, giving the kids your best effort, and treating the kids fairly. If you can do those things, you are going to be a pretty good coach. Amen! Just coach!!!
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 3, 2018 3:59:45 GMT -6
Not really coach speak but more clinic talk / experience. Drives me NUTS when you listen to a guy giving a clinic and he says "My guys are no different from your guys, just average HS kids and blah..blah" then puts the tape on and the '85 Bears pi$$ themselves a little. I know many of these teams are still well coached but the tagline of we have guys just like everybody else when you don't annoys me. Nothing wrong w/ having talent. When we're up I say it. Ain't takin' credit for all the wins nor blame for all the losses. Sat in on a clinic talk. Topic was doing more with less (in terms of talent). Coach, who is a good guy and I respect him, proceeds to put on some cutups of his QB who is now at Va. Tech, and his receiver who was talented enough to be a TE and slot (allowing him not to change personnel groupings) and is also playing D1 ball somewhere. Come on man! Was still a good session and I took away a few ideas though.
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Post by coachks on Jul 3, 2018 9:30:00 GMT -6
At a clinic you can just about make it a drinking game at the start of every session. "We are outmanned in our conference.... we dont have the athletes of some of the teams we face." Nobody apparently has athletes and everybody plays in the toughest conference for that size school. Everybody has to be "multiple" and what they do is because its fits their personnel. Nobody can just line up and run "The I" or "3-4" or whatever scheme they consider for talented teams... which they are not.
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Post by s73 on Jul 3, 2018 11:11:23 GMT -6
Not really coach speak but more clinic talk / experience. Drives me NUTS when you listen to a guy giving a clinic and he says "My guys are no different from your guys, just average HS kids and blah..blah" then puts the tape on and the '85 Bears pi$$ themselves a little. I know many of these teams are still well coached but the tagline of we have guys just like everybody else when you don't annoys me. Nothing wrong w/ having talent. When we're up I say it. Ain't takin' credit for all the wins nor blame for all the losses. Sat in on a clinic talk. Topic was doing more with less (in terms of talent). Coach, who is a good guy and I respect him, proceeds to put on some cutups of his QB who is now at Va. Tech, and his receiver who was talented enough to be a TE and slot (allowing him not to change personnel groupings) and is also playing D1 ball somewhere. Come on man! Was still a good session and I took away a few ideas though. If I ever attend a clinic & the guy says, "You know what? We are seriously loaded and the only reason I'm up here is b/c my dudes are straight up Hoss's. In fact, we coulda ran anything and been good" I will seriously start a classic slow clap and gradually rise to my feet. I just hope there isn't that awkward pause after 15 seconds where I realize I'm the only one and then have to quietly take my seat. The slow clap is an art few have mastered.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 3, 2018 11:17:42 GMT -6
Sat in on a clinic talk. Topic was doing more with less (in terms of talent). Coach, who is a good guy and I respect him, proceeds to put on some cutups of his QB who is now at Va. Tech, and his receiver who was talented enough to be a TE and slot (allowing him not to change personnel groupings) and is also playing D1 ball somewhere. Come on man! Was still a good session and I took away a few ideas though. If I ever attend a clinic & the guy says, "You know what? We are seriously loaded and the only reason I'm up here is b/c my dudes are straight up Hoss's. In fact, we coulda ran anything and been good" I will seriously start a classic slow clap and gradually rise to my feet. I just hope there isn't that awkward pause after 15 seconds where I realize I'm the only one and then have to quietly take my seat. The slow clap is an art few have mastered. I'm not a hot shot coach, but the only reason I've ever won chit is because of talent man.
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Post by s73 on Jul 3, 2018 11:23:37 GMT -6
If I ever attend a clinic & the guy says, "You know what? We are seriously loaded and the only reason I'm up here is b/c my dudes are straight up Hoss's. In fact, we coulda ran anything and been good" I will seriously start a classic slow clap and gradually rise to my feet. I just hope there isn't that awkward pause after 15 seconds where I realize I'm the only one and then have to quietly take my seat. The slow clap is an art few have mastered. I'm not a hot shot coach, but the only reason I've ever won chit is because of talent man. I would put a slow clap video on here right now, but I suck w/ technology. But...I'm slow clapping in spirit coach. My coaching goal every year is to compete at the highest level possible for the team we have & let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by mattharris75 on Jul 3, 2018 11:41:19 GMT -6
I'm not a hot shot coach, but the only reason I've ever won chit is because of talent man. My position group last season included a guy that placed top 6 in the state in the 100m as a junior and a guy that signed with Alabama. I must say, I felt like a pretty good coach last year.
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Post by s73 on Jul 3, 2018 12:25:11 GMT -6
My position group last season included a guy that placed top 6 in the state in the 100m as a junior and a guy that signed with Alabama. I must say, I felt like a pretty good coach last year. I did it w/ the help of a my "tween" kid.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2018 13:04:09 GMT -6
Sat in on a clinic talk. Topic was doing more with less (in terms of talent). Coach, who is a good guy and I respect him, proceeds to put on some cutups of his QB who is now at Va. Tech, and his receiver who was talented enough to be a TE and slot (allowing him not to change personnel groupings) and is also playing D1 ball somewhere. Come on man! Was still a good session and I took away a few ideas though. If I ever attend a clinic & the guy says, "You know what? We are seriously loaded and the only reason I'm up here is b/c my dudes are straight up Hoss's. In fact, we coulda ran anything and been good" I will seriously start a classic slow clap and gradually rise to my feet. I just hope there isn't that awkward pause after 15 seconds where I realize I'm the only one and then have to quietly take my seat. The slow clap is an art few have mastered. I was asked in 2014 to talk at our state association's spring clinic after made the quarterfinals in 2013. My topic was "How to make your coop work" as we were a coop of 3 schools at the time. I had a title screen with my name, number, email, topic name, etc. I began my speech with a question. "Want to know how to make your coop work?" Then I clicked to the next screen that had our 2200yd tailback and our 1800yd human freak of a fullback in one picture and said- "Get two of these dudes and run the I. Questions?" And just stood there. Everyone looked at me like I was a dip {censored} so I went on. I thought that was coaching comedy gold personally.
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