famar
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Post by famar on May 17, 2018 20:57:55 GMT -6
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 17, 2018 21:14:22 GMT -6
Translation - old money legacy parents thought their spoiled brat kids should get more playing time.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 17, 2018 21:27:41 GMT -6
Translation - old money legacy parents thought their spoiled brat kids should get more playing time. That is what I got out of it too. That or alumni don't like the changing complexion of the team. I thought it was kind of humorous that one of the articles mentioned "parents supporting him"... the question is "which parents". |
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Post by hunhdisciple on May 18, 2018 4:14:29 GMT -6
He wore sneakers instead of dress shoes? I don't remember the last time I didn't wear some sort of athletic shoe.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 18, 2018 5:27:36 GMT -6
He wore sneakers instead of dress shoes? I don't remember the last time I didn't wear some sort of athletic shoe. What is your dress code though? Pure speculation based on only reading the articles and having no other info--I can easily see a situation where a private school brings in a coach to make them successful, but then started to see that his path to success wasn't what they originally envisioned. The quotes "Freshmen we bring in... transfers we bring in" are fairly enlightening. Again, not knowing details, I will say there are two sides to every story. I can easily see a situation where the coach was out encouraging kids who would not otherwise apply for a multitude of reasons (ehem...recruiting) Kids that might not "fit in" with the school, and this could have been creating problems (again, pure speculation, based on a similar experience) The issue comes from the fact that on paper, there is no real reason for the school to not take applications and accept these students. I could easily see where part of the story in NJ is that he may have been told "Hey, stop going out and recruiting these kids". Then the admin and the coach butt heads, and the school finds some other reasons (like the dress code) to justify dismissal, and the Coach claims it is because of "race" (when actually it wasn't particularly race, but class). A local suburban school catholic school here in South LA has had pretty solid success in an area with fairly affluent suburban public schools. Building upon that success, the school started to enroll a few students who wouldn't ordinarily attend the school. These students happened to be very good football players, and minorities. The problem arose when those students had some discipline issues : one reportedly beat another student with a combination lock, a few were caught breaking into cars in the parking lot, another one stole a car from the parking lot. Just a speculation. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 18, 2018 8:22:58 GMT -6
Not all private schools are like this obviously, but THIS is one of the main reasons I stayed away from coaching private school.
And like coachd mentioned above I can only HOPE that the fired coach is just throwing that out there in retaliation to his dismissal...I'd hate to think that an education-based institution would harbor hate the way this is being presented.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 18, 2018 20:17:21 GMT -6
Not all private schools are like this obviously, but THIS is one of the main reasons I stayed away from coaching private school. And like coachd mentioned above I can only HOPE that the fired coach is just throwing that out there in retaliation to his dismissal...I'd hate to think that an education-based institution would harbor hate the way this is being presented. To clarify, I am not suggesting he is "just throwing that out there in retaliation" as a baseless claim. What I was saying is that I can see a situation where the HC was out recruiting students that did not "fit" into the school (yet the school had no real reason to deny admission based on whats on "paper"). The HC used the phrasing "Freshmen we bring in, transfers we bring in." Sounds to me like he was out encouraging students to apply to the school that Camden Catholic's administration didn't necessarily want in the school for whatever reason, but also didn't have a really objective reason to deny admission. |
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Post by hammer66 on May 23, 2018 10:17:22 GMT -6
I can see the problem. Purely from what I see in my area of PA. Private schools don't typically recruit at the lower levels 7-9 grade. The kids filling the rosters are truly there for the culture. Parents have been providing financial support to the school for many years. All of as sudden in 10th grade little JOHNNY isn't good enough because the PRIVATE school ball coach had 7 - 10 recruits come in that are much better athletes. Those kids get the PT and the accolades and typically are there just to play ball and win games. Culture means nothing. Meanwhile the kid that put his time in the program gets pushed aside. That doesn't happen in public schools typically ...
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Post by coachd5085 on May 23, 2018 17:20:18 GMT -6
I can see the problem. Purely from what I see in my area of PA. Private schools don't typically recruit at the lower levels 7-9 grade. The kids filling the rosters are truly there for the culture. Parents have been providing financial support to the school for many years. All of as sudden in 10th grade little JOHNNY isn't good enough because the PRIVATE school ball coach had 7 - 10 recruits come in that are much better athletes. Those kids get the PT and the accolades and typically are there just to play ball and win games. Culture means nothing. Meanwhile the kid that put his time in the program gets pushed aside. That doesn't happen in public schools typically ... Yeah but in this case, it seems that Camden is a 9-12 school. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 1, 2018 11:58:45 GMT -6
To me it sounds like he's a recruiter. Sometimes when you come into a place that does not have that kind of culture, it makes people upset.
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Post by bleefb on Jun 2, 2018 0:27:46 GMT -6
A lot of parents send their kids to private schools as a form of "white flight." In many cases they are pretty overt about it. It would be interesting to see what the ethnic breakdown of the school is, minus the football team. That might answer the question of what this is really about.
As far as the list of transgressions that led to his firing, I would imagine everyone on this site would be filing for unemployment right now if these were enforced. Remember, no one is perfect. If they want you out, they will find a reason. There was a school in this area that fired a teacher a few years back. The stated reason was because she walked across the hall, still in plain sight of her classroom, to grab some staples. She also happened to be the union President during a salary dispute.
We're all vulnerable, tenure or not.
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