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Post by planck on May 2, 2018 16:15:56 GMT -6
I've never had to tell a kid he's not good enough to play at the next level. Usually they have it figured out by 12th grade.
I do, however, emphasize from day 1 that their snaps are limited. You only get so long to play the game we love. Make the most of every single one, because you can't tell where the road will end.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on May 2, 2018 17:03:42 GMT -6
We don't. You want film sent out, we send it out. I'm not about the tell a kid what he should or shouldn't dream. I'll let the college not responded if they don't think he's good enough. We may educate about the process, provide information or speak honestly when asked, but I'm not crushing the dream.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2018 8:11:20 GMT -6
Pet peeve of mine right now.... Too many kids are about making the NFL or MBA or MLB or whatever. How about just enjoy the experience, be the best you can be at what you do and let the chips fall. I understand its financially driven, and there is no way to go back, but there is nothing wrong with being a good high school player contributing to your TEAM and building relationships that will support you and help you the rest of your life. Actually about 95% or more thats all they ever will be and thats ok... rant over lol I would argue that it actually isn't financially driven, but rather fame/attention driven. Now, NFL, MBA, MLB fame obviously comes with a large income, but if you were to truly isolate the reason, I would say it is for the attention/fame as evidenced by the step before the professional leagues (meaning signing day and all the fluff with recruiting) Side note, sometimes they just don't get it. Had a backup senior OL at a Ncaa Div 1AA school tell me during an academic conference that he didn't need to perform well in that class because he was going to make it in "The League". When I told him "You are a backup here, at a below average (didn't have a good squad that year) AA school. You don't get on the field for us, and none of our players are going to even be offered Free Agent try outs, much less be drafted. What makes you think you are going to even have an opportunity to ever show a team what you have?" he looked like I shot his dog.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 6, 2018 11:01:57 GMT -6
Reality usually does that so I don’t have to LOL.
But in all seriousness, 99% of the kids know by the midpoint of their senior season if they’re capable of playing at the next level or not. If they still think they’re college football material, I’ll strongly encourage they go the JuCo route, where they’ll have a chance to prove it. Fortunately we’ve had a few guys sign the last few years so they can never say it’s the coach’s fault.
Now getting the parents to come to the same realization is another story....
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Post by fadepattern on May 6, 2018 19:36:31 GMT -6
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Post by jrk5150 on May 7, 2018 10:10:13 GMT -6
We don't. You want film sent out, we send it out. I'm not about the tell a kid what he should or shouldn't dream. I'll let the college not responded if they don't think he's good enough. We may educate about the process, provide information or speak honestly when asked, but I'm not crushing the dream. Love this answer. Just remember - every college roster below the power 5 has at least one kid who could have played at a higher level, but wasn't recruited/offered (I mention power 5 as there isn't a higher college level). Every college roster at every level has recruited kids who can't play at that level. Every year there are multiple busts in the NFL draft, and undrafted FA's who start. In other words, the guys whose livelihoods depend on making these calls don't always get it right.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 7, 2018 11:16:40 GMT -6
I don’t get into that until I don’t have a choice, like if a kid is asking me to help him draft a letter to Alabama we’ll have a chat about his future. Kids are often over- or under-recruited so yes there’s always hope but sometimes it’s very misplaced. It’s not something I’ve seen very often and I’m usually pretty careful to keep it non-specific with phrases like “uphill battle.” I figure either the kid gets the message or he struggles his way to success and inevitably credits me for inspiring him to keep up the good fight.
#NFLBound was a bit of a thing locally about five years ago. One kid was pretty good by the standards of local high school stars but he wasn’t even the best player or second or third best back out of that school in the last five years and none of them were playing D1. He could have really used a reality check from someone because he ended up #HighSchoolGraduateNotBound
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Post by coachcb on May 7, 2018 11:40:59 GMT -6
Pet peeve of mine right now.... Too many kids are about making the NFL or MBA or MLB or whatever. How about just enjoy the experience, be the best you can be at what you do and let the chips fall. I understand its financially driven, and there is no way to go back, but there is nothing wrong with being a good high school player contributing to your TEAM and building relationships that will support you and help you the rest of your life. Actually about 95% or more thats all they ever will be and thats ok... rant over lol I would argue that it actually isn't financially driven, but rather fame/attention driven. Now, NFL, MBA, MLB fame obviously comes with a large income, but if you were to truly isolate the reason, I would say it is for the attention/fame as evidenced by the step before the professional leagues (meaning signing day and all the fluff with recruiting) Side note, sometimes they just don't get it. Had a backup senior OL at a Ncaa Div 1AA school tell me during an academic conference that he didn't need to perform well in that class because he was going to make it in "The League". When I told him "You are a backup here, at a below average (didn't have a good squad that year) AA school. You don't get on the field for us, and none of our players are going to even be offered Free Agent try outs, much less be drafted. What makes you think you are going to even have an opportunity to ever show a team what you have?" he looked like I shot his dog. When I first started coaching, we had a Mike LB that was decent for our conference (honorable mention all-state) and had a few walk on offers from NAIA schools around the state. The kid probably would have succeeded at one of those schools but he and his parents were convinced that he was the second coming of Jack Lambert. We did what we could to help the kid; got together highlight film for him, made some phone calls but the best offer he got was a walk-on offer from the current NAIA National champ (not a bad offer, IMO..). We ended up in a meeting with his parents and the AD in the spring because he parents were furious that he didn't get him into a school that would get him "NFL looks". They accused us of sabotaging his future, not coaching him well enough, etc..etc.. The AD was a straight shooter who listened to them whine for about five minutes and then said: "Here's the deal, your son would be heading to a D1 school in a few months if he was a D1 level athlete. He's not. He's an NAIA level athlete and that's been made clear by the walk-on offers he's gotten. All three of you need to readjust your goals in life if you think that an offer from the NAIA national champions isn't good enough for him."
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Post by fkaboneyard on May 7, 2018 12:16:55 GMT -6
I've got a 5'9", 280 lb (and not in a good way) junior that is convinced he's going to get several D1 offers. We started spring ball last week and some kids were clowning on him. In front of the other kids he asked me if he was going to get a D1 offer. I said, "I don't have a crystal ball, if I did I'd be buying lottery tickets not coaching football. What I do know is that you have zero shot if you don't work your tail off so don't waste a minute arguing with these goofballs, put in work." He got this big grin like it was validation and he went to work.
The kid is absolutely delusional but I just need him to be the best he can for our Division 13 team. I could have cut him off at the knees but there was zero upside to it. He would have been crushed and it would have only done damage to him and the rest of the team.
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Post by beernuts69 on May 12, 2018 11:00:46 GMT -6
Football has a place for everyone. Everyone is not for football.
Let them know they can be involved at the next level, some way, some how.
Parents, well, that is another story. Grades and ACT/SAT scores are objective and not subjective to a "Coach's point of view"
If they aren't at collegiate level academics, nothing else matters. That is something you could "crush" them with, but something that can be fixed easier with greater rewards.
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