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Post by coachdirt on Apr 1, 2018 11:15:56 GMT -6
You can't wash the {censored} out of Muscle Milk, but you can wash the {censored} off of an egg. One a chicken will give you for pretty much nothing and the other requires a serious investment in cognitive dissonance.
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Post by **** on Apr 1, 2018 11:20:19 GMT -6
That article references studies nearly a decade old. Why does an article from 2017 have to use studies from 2007 and 2010? This guy gets it. Glad somebody else knows how to read.
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Post by Defcord on Apr 1, 2018 11:21:30 GMT -6
Also the article seems to take a pro muscle milk stance “enough (calories) to gain up to half a pound of muscle.”
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Post by coachdirt on Apr 1, 2018 11:25:40 GMT -6
That article references studies nearly a decade old. Why does an article from 2017 have to use studies from 2007 and 2010? Go find another source if this is not to your liking...I'd assume LS is about generating content, or likely regenerating content by reposting, thereby 'creating new' posts that reference older studies (and what exactly of studies from '07 & '10 is so dismissive worthy, anyway?) The Bias is Strong. Having an athlete consume 90g of Carbs to get 40g of Protein is ignorant. 'Essential Carbs' is Ignorance...An Essential Carb doesn't exist. Obesity, Diabetes...Carb Addiction. These things are REAL. God Put The Yolk & White Together. Who here is smarter than GOD? Surely not Slaves to Sugar.
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Post by **** on Apr 1, 2018 11:26:43 GMT -6
You realize that MM also has maltodextrin in it right? Not as the Primary ingredient...Seriously...neither is a product I would ingest and honestly, I'd expect to be beaten to death for foisting this garbage on anyone's child. Your argument is bunk. This is just the Vanilla offering...the Choc Peanut Butter version is a complete clusterf*ck of garbage before ever hinting at Protein. EGGS EGGS EGGS EGGS EGGS. Hopefully they're pasture raised. You wouldn't want to put garbage in anyone's child or your body.
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Post by coachdirt on Apr 1, 2018 11:32:08 GMT -6
Not as the Primary ingredient...Seriously...neither is a product I would ingest and honestly, I'd expect to be beaten to death for foisting this garbage on anyone's child. Your argument is bunk. This is just the Vanilla offering...the Choc Peanut Butter version is a complete clusterf*ck of garbage before ever hinting at Protein. EGGS EGGS EGGS EGGS EGGS. Hopefully they're pasture raised. You wouldn't want to put garbage in anyone's child or your body. So...if you can grasp the concept, what is the affiliation with maltodextrin canola oil soyboy Muscle Milk??? Doesn't make any sense unless you directly profit off of the sickness and disease created by ingesting garbage???
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Post by Defcord on Apr 1, 2018 11:37:35 GMT -6
That article references studies nearly a decade old. Why does an article from 2017 have to use studies from 2007 and 2010? Go find another source if this is not to your liking...I'd assume LS is about generating content, or likely regenerating content by reposting, thereby 'creating new' posts that reference older studies (and what exactly of studies from '07 & '10 is so dismissive worthy, anyway?) The Bias is Strong. Having an athlete consume 90g of Carbs to get 40g of Protein is ignorant. 'Essential Carbs' is Ignorance...An Essential Carb doesn't exist. Obesity, Diabetes...Carb Addiction. These things are REAL. God Put The Yolk & White Together. Who here is smarter than GOD? Surely not Slaves to Sugar. I am all for restricting carbs and sugar, especially refined versions, but that article doesn’t support the point you are adamantly attempting to make.
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Post by coachdirt on Apr 1, 2018 11:38:49 GMT -6
*feedstock for cattle that end up sick and on anti biotics... check your role on the farm, fellas.
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Post by coachdirt on Apr 1, 2018 11:44:37 GMT -6
Go find another source if this is not to your liking...I'd assume LS is about generating content, or likely regenerating content by reposting, thereby 'creating new' posts that reference older studies (and what exactly of studies from '07 & '10 is so dismissive worthy, anyway?) The Bias is Strong. Having an athlete consume 90g of Carbs to get 40g of Protein is ignorant. 'Essential Carbs' is Ignorance...An Essential Carb doesn't exist. Obesity, Diabetes...Carb Addiction. These things are REAL. God Put The Yolk & White Together. Who here is smarter than GOD? Surely not Slaves to Sugar. I am all for restricting carbs and sugar, especially refined versions, but that article doesn’t support the point you are adamantly attempting to make. You remain stuck on some falsehood that I shared the article for any other reason than a comparison of nut. values between the two versions of MM. I'm not attached to it if one were to have a side by side of the back labels, it'd serve my point and the rest of us far better. I've not the means to create such atm. Anyone can? It'd get us past the 'well if you use 4 scoops' trope...(Anders-the single serving size SAYS 4 SCOOPS ON THE LABEL - who has the reading comp. struggles?). Farts to the article, imo.
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Post by coachdirt on Apr 1, 2018 11:54:05 GMT -6
omelette bar...(fancier) in-shell hard-boiled...(no nonsense/lower budget)
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2018 12:26:42 GMT -6
Gatorade vending machines.
Then I don't have to deal with paying for it or being a accused of jamming food down somebody's throat.
Furthermore, I prefer to let kids and parents take more responsibility for themselves and their own nutrition. I will educate them but they must make their own choices.
JMO.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 1, 2018 12:49:17 GMT -6
my mind is blown by how many of you give actual protein powder to kids does your school district actually say this is fine? or is it a dont ask dont tell situation? Our superintendent uses it. To be honest I don't know why it would be such a big deal anywhere else? Most of our team uses it i use it it is all fine... i have just always been told that the school can not provide a supplement to a kid... even with parental approval we are actual required to tell a kid, when/if they ask us about supplement advice to "talk to their parents and their doctor about it" (i think that is too far and i give them real advice) but that is what we are supposed to do i 100% understand where you are coming from and i agree it is stupid, but it is the only thing i have ever heard any AD or administrator say regarding protein/supplements
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Post by Defcord on Apr 1, 2018 12:56:12 GMT -6
I am all for restricting carbs and sugar, especially refined versions, but that article doesn’t support the point you are adamantly attempting to make. You remain stuck on some falsehood that I shared the article for any other reason than a comparison of nut. values between the two versions of MM. I'm not attached to it if one were to have a side by side of the back labels, it'd serve my point and the rest of us far better. I've not the means to create such atm. Anyone can? It'd get us past the 'well if you use 4 scoops' trope...(Anders-the single serving size SAYS 4 SCOOPS ON THE LABEL - who has the reading comp. struggles?). Farts to the article, imo. I am not stuck on anything. I think the point you made about eggs as a source of protein was valid. Then you posted an article that I thought would further validate that point and possibly provide further information so I read it and it just confused the message. Really not a big deal just though? I was confused on where that post was going.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 1, 2018 13:17:18 GMT -6
Our superintendent uses it. To be honest I don't know why it would be such a big deal anywhere else? Most of our team uses it i use it it is all fine... i have just always been told that the school can not provide a supplement to a kid... even with parental approval we are actual required to tell a kid, when/if they ask us about supplement advice to "talk to their parents and their doctor about it" (i think that is too far and i give them real advice) but that is what we are supposed to do i 100% understand where you are coming from and i agree it is stupid, but it is the only thing i have ever heard any AD or administrator say regarding protein/supplements It’s to get point now where we can’t even give them food. Smh
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Post by **** on Apr 1, 2018 13:57:02 GMT -6
Hopefully they're pasture raised. You wouldn't want to put garbage in anyone's child or your body. So...if you can grasp the concept, what is the affiliation with maltodextrin canola oil soyboy Muscle Milk??? Doesn't make any sense unless you directly profit off of the sickness and disease created by ingesting garbage??? I’m a cornfed retard. I only understand things like man match coverages, back gapping run plays, and simulated zone pressures. I’m not smart enough to read a label and do nutritional research.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 1, 2018 14:34:50 GMT -6
I don't think having kids drink a Muscle Milk after they get done training is contributing to the obesity epidemic or encouraging unhealthy lifestyles. Candy, chips, soda and juice, fried food, baked sweets, cheap processed crap like Hot Pockets...that's the stuff we should be discouraging.
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Post by funkfriss on Apr 2, 2018 10:19:57 GMT -6
We don't give the kids protein after workouts, mostly b/c that chit is expensive and we don't have the money for it. We talk about it as a supplement and our trainer has it available to purchase at discount, but that's about it.
We talk to them a couple times a year about food (when, what, why, how). If you think about it, if all you are doing is giving your dude a serving of protein after their workout, you're almost doing nothing. If you aren't educating them about their diet and nutrition and they are eating like crap or not eating enough then you're basically wrapping a gunshot wound.
The best thing we do with the kids is to have them chart three days of food/drink intake. What almost everyone finds out is that they are UNDER eating, especially in the protein department. We then talk to them about what food they have available to them and how they can best improve their diet. Protein is only brought into the conversation as a means to reaching daily protein consumption goals. We give this same talk to parents at our parent meeting.
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Post by lmorris on Apr 2, 2018 11:04:55 GMT -6
I've always told the kids to go home and eat a peanut butter sandwich or a tuna sandwich. At my first school and my current school we keep peanut butter on hand and kids can grab a throw away spoon and get a big spoonful. At my second school we had several kids with peanut allergies so it was a no go, wasn't taking a chance of a kid getting sick or hospitalized. One kid was bad enough that if someone ate a reese's at lunch and shook hands with him, he would have trouble breathing.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Apr 2, 2018 11:16:54 GMT -6
How about offering hard boiled eggs. You could get them for roughly $.15 each at BJs. give players 3 = 18g of protein under .$50.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 2, 2018 11:43:24 GMT -6
How about offering hard boiled eggs. You could get them for roughly $.15 each at BJs. give players 3 = 18g of protein under .$50. While this would be a "supplement", but WalMart sells 2 lbs Equate protein powder for $14.44. 18 servings with 30g protein each. So 2.67 cents per gram of protein. An average medium egg has 5.54 g of protein which they round up to 6. It would be 2.7 cents per gram. 65 calories. So they are about the same price. But the Protein powder also has creatine and BCAA and all that jazz. LOL. I just mix with water in a shaker and chug it. Actually mixes very well and tastes good/fine to me. I just think 2 scoops and 30g of protein of this powder is a whole easier than eating 5 eggs. Storage and everything is also easier. But I do understand that might not be possible.
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 2, 2018 13:24:35 GMT -6
How about offering hard boiled eggs. You could get them for roughly $.15 each at BJs. give players 3 = 18g of protein under .$50. because hard boiled eggs taste terrible and stink to high heaven i remember this jacked up jabroni back when i had a real job used to stink up the shop everyday at 10am on the dot with a giant tupperware full of hard boiled eggs and poured steak sauce all over them...stank to high heaven.....gross honestly fellas....this is looming into the realm of turning over stones that didn't really need to be turned over...we have enough chit to deal with, kids are going to eat what they are going to eat, and I dang sure wouldn't made decisions based on the latest trends in the nutrition/health food/supplement industry...it's the land of the modern day snake oil salesman. How much protein per pound of body weight does a high school player need?...you won't believe this...but according to somebody who sells protein, it's a lot, shocking stuff
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 15:54:03 GMT -6
So...if you can grasp the concept, what is the affiliation with maltodextrin canola oil soyboy Muscle Milk??? Doesn't make any sense unless you directly profit off of the sickness and disease created by ingesting garbage??? I’m a cornfed retard. I only understand things like man match coverages, back gapping run plays, and simulated zone pressures. I’m not smart enough to read a label and do nutritional research. Lol. I always knew you weren’t very intelligent.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 2, 2018 16:38:35 GMT -6
I coached at a public school where kids couldn't afford any of that stuff. We started giving them hard boiled eggs which they hated and they would toss them. Then we made them eat them while a coach watched. The egg farts in the small weight room made it unbearable and that idea was scrapped. Ultimately it came down to a giant tub of peanut butter and a loaf of white bread along with water from a hose bib, we didn't even give them milk.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 2, 2018 18:11:32 GMT -6
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Post by 53 on Apr 2, 2018 19:08:09 GMT -6
fresh road kill if you’re really trying to build some savages.
Tell your local police department you want to be put on a list for fresh hit deer.
Turn it into jerky, and then whip ass out on the field.
Can’t beat antler velvet tea for the players either right before football season.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 3, 2018 3:32:28 GMT -6
Most kids I know bring their own shake. A few years ago in a different program we used money and bought chocolate milk for the boys after lifting. We kept gallons in the fridge in the coaches office. For a couple years we actually had a deal with the a local grocer and we picked it up there in the mornings. On Fridays I would buy Muscle Milks for all the guys who made it three out of three times for the week (or 2/2 if in-season). In the summer we did not do this. (In the summer we did not do this.)
Nobody ever gave me a hard time about it.
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Post by red on Apr 5, 2018 11:26:30 GMT -6
We ask parents to volunteer (or booster club) to sign up for summer workouts. 2 days per summer. The parents show up towards the end of workouts with several gallons of Chocolate milk and a bunch of pre-made peanut butter sandwiches. Football provides disposable cups and plastic spoons. We give them option to purchase themselves or have booster club reimburse them. I always have a couple of senior moms organize it.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 5, 2018 11:58:45 GMT -6
We ask parents to volunteer (or booster club) to sign up for summer workouts. 2 days per summer. The parents show up towards the end of workouts with several gallons of Chocolate milk and a bunch of pre-made peanut butter sandwiches. Football provides disposable cups and plastic spoons. We give them option to purchase themselves or have booster club reimburse them. I always have a couple of senior moms organize it. Great idea!! We do something similar during August practice. Gatorades, bananas, grapes, granola, popsicles, etc. Great idea for summer workouts!
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Post by godandgus on Apr 12, 2018 15:12:35 GMT -6
We do peanut butter and jelly and chocolate milk. I make the sandwiches before class starts and i keep the milk in our athletic fride. It costs about 71 cents for the milk, bread, peanut butter and jelly, so we charge 75 cents. If a kid doesn't have it, we just write his name. Some pay us back, some don't. It is a hassle, but I want some protein and carbohydrates in the kids, and i sure dont want a candy bar or potato chips and a soft drink. We have gained size and strength. Kids work hard , so I know it's not just the pbj.It is the cheapest and best way I have found to give the kids something after a work out. We would sell around 70 sandwiches a day. I would pay anywhere from 30-50 dollars a month out of my pocket to keep it a float ($2.50 a day to let kids eat is a good deal, I think!!!!)
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Post by coachdirt on Apr 17, 2018 10:30:01 GMT -6
So...if you can grasp the concept, what is the affiliation with maltodextrin canola oil soyboy Muscle Milk??? Doesn't make any sense unless you directly profit off of the sickness and disease created by ingesting garbage??? I’m a cornfed retard. I only understand things like man match coverages, back gapping run plays, and simulated zone pressures. I’m not smart enough to read a label and do nutritional research. Man...do you allow your players to exchange that type of bunkum excuse instead of doing work? You've got your answer right there, Hoss...you aren't livestock...quit consuming the FEED. www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/is-maltodextrin-bad-for-me
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