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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2018 17:19:03 GMT -6
Yeah...Flag Football isn't football.. it's like Air Soccer or NoBasket Ball.. . The inability to adapt means what? Varied elements of beefing here. Poorly veiled politics fwiw. Here's the boildown: Prudently Prepare All Athletes Prior to 'Full Contact Ages' no matter talent level or athletic interest. Develop SKILLS and PHYSICAL STRENGTH. Teach The Sport/Game during their respective seasons and coach age appropriate techniques...Be Proactive and LEGISLATORS won't have much to REACT to. Be Proactive and Parents and Students won't have to be hard sold...Show Proactive Beats Reactive With Mindfulness. Sure...Reactive Due To Training...Thoughtless Repetition Of Mindless Drilling Feeds This Zombie Response. Great For Generals and Coaches To Feed Bodies To The Machine...Not So Great For Everything Else. Coaching Youth DOESN'T Have To Be Child Sacrifice. Unless YOU Insist. You have been so all over the place and hyperbolic here (child sacrifice???) that you really don't seem to be arguing any points other than "it is OK to not have tackle youth football" And you are 100% correct in that. However, as others have mentioned, it is also ok to not have tackle HS football. Which is also 100% correct. What people here are saying is that your point, doesn't really have any different basis than than the second I posted. That isn't end of the world stuff, just simple logic.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 10, 2018 20:10:09 GMT -6
Be Proactive and LEGISLATORS won't have much to REACT to. I'm afraid that wouldn't be the case. I've seen too many examples of industry self-regul'n that wound up leading to more gov't regul'n/restrict'n. "You're doing this to be more safe? That means it must be dangerous." Warning labels are not appreciated by consumers; they're advertisements not to buy. A business that adopts a warning label voluntarily isn't lauded by consumers as responsible, but denigrated as irresponsible for offering the product at all if it needs a warning. When products are reformulated because of some past perceived problem, many customers who were scared away don't notice the change, and some former customers suspect the new formula to be ineffective. Legislators react to publicity. Publicity exists for a reason, & that reason is usu. not objective reporting. It's something the children do themselves if adults aren't helping. It's hardly ever a matter of parents pushing the children. Parents push children to learn a music instrument, much of the time. They push them into modeling & beauty contests, just about all the time. Football, it's nearly always the other way around. In a decade of coaching children in football, I've seen only one who was pushed into it by family. By coaches? Never. Last thing we want is players who don't want to be there.
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Post by mahonz on Mar 4, 2018 21:40:02 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 4, 2018 22:42:31 GMT -6
I can't begin to impress upon you how effed up Illinois is.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 5, 2018 9:06:13 GMT -6
I'm in NY and it seems we are messed up like that also.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 5, 2018 9:09:57 GMT -6
All L*****L states-who'd have guessed. CONTROL. (didn't want to get too political as I'm not a registered anything)
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Post by silkyice on Mar 5, 2018 13:06:55 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here.
Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it.
And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 5, 2018 13:14:39 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here. Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it. And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive. Just to be curious, what do you think is the motivation for this conspiracy you believe is true?
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 5, 2018 14:12:27 GMT -6
This has been introduced a couple times in NY and been shot down. Being introduced for the first time in CA, IL, and MD. I'm guessing that since it passed out of committee in IL on only an 11-9 vote that it has a very slim chance of ever becoming law.
Seems like in every case you get a couple representatives (out of hundreds) with a hair up their @$$ about it and it fizzles out.
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Post by 19delta on Mar 5, 2018 19:59:39 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here. Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it. And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive. Reminds me of a great H.L. Mencken quote: "The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve."
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Post by silkyice on Mar 5, 2018 22:39:02 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here. Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it. And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive. Just to be curious, what do you think is the motivation for this conspiracy you believe is true? Conspiracy makes it sounds like it is hidden and that I think there are aliens or the Illumnati is behind it. Or maybe even TacoBell. Lol It isn’t hidden. There is literally a legislative body trying to outlaw peewee football. There are doctors and sjw calling for football to be banned. Look at any social/political issue. Rights and issues don’t just suddenly disappear or get resolved all at once. There is always a “slippery slope”. Give an inch now and take a mile later. I do not want to bring up examples because I don’t want to turn this into a political debate. Not the place. But that is just how politics works. Ban football for 12 and under. Then in two years 14 and under. Then in 2-4 years, high school, etc. I don’t think this going to happen, but I do believe there are people who would like for this happen. As for their motivation? I don’t know. Political gain, control, sjw, maybe they really believe this is best, maybe they really believe football is evil, maybe they really believe football causes irreparable brain damage to everyone who plays it, maybe the football players didn't ask them on dates in high school, maybe they think all football players are bullies, maybe they were jealous of football players? I don’t know. Don’t care.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 6, 2018 8:33:13 GMT -6
Rights?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 6, 2018 14:05:42 GMT -6
Wasn't saying football is a right. I was saying that over the course of history, rights/issues usually erode or get resolved slowly instead of all at once. Change is usually slow instead of abrupt. Not always, but usually. If someone would have tried to ban peewee football 20 years ago, it would have been dismissed without further discussion. And football is SAFER now!!! More awareness, better protocols, better rules, better helmets, better techniques, etc. You start with pw football and then move on to the next thing. There are a million examples of these types of things. Freedoms slowly disappear until you aren't free anymore.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 7, 2018 11:04:02 GMT -6
Just to be curious, what do you think is the motivation for this conspiracy you believe is true? Conspiracy makes it sounds like it is hidden and that I think there are aliens or the Illumnati is behind it. Or maybe even TacoBell. Lol It isn’t hidden. There is literally a legislative body trying to outlaw peewee football. There are doctors and sjw calling for football to be banned. Look at any social/political issue. Rights and issues don’t just suddenly disappear or get resolved all at once. There is always a “slippery slope”. Give an inch now and take a mile later. I do not want to bring up examples because I don’t want to turn this into a political debate. Not the place. But that is just how politics works. Ban football for 12 and under. Then in two years 14 and under. Then in 2-4 years, high school, etc. I don’t think this going to happen, but I do believe there are people who would like for this happen. As for their motivation? I don’t know. Political gain, control, sjw, maybe they really believe this is best, maybe they really believe football is evil, maybe they really believe football causes irreparable brain damage to everyone who plays it, maybe the football players didn't ask them on dates in high school, maybe they think all football players are bullies, maybe they were jealous of football players? I don’t know. Don’t care. I'm afraid for many it's culture war. They're happy to p.o. people who like football, as long as they have support from those who either don't like or actually dislike football. I'm not saying such ill motiv'n moves most of the people on the anti side, but I'm afraid it is a major sector of what's driving this issue -- enough that if you took them away, the issue would probably go off the table. Fortunately culture warriors don't want to succeed. If football (in this case) went away, then they'd have 1 less item by which to identify the other side & to conflict over. So they just want to make us uncomfortable -- to think something we like has a serious chance of being taken away. It would be fun to hear how the antis would react to a groundswell in some parts to replace American football with rugby. Nearly all of those antis who'd jump on that bandwagon would be culture warriors. They'd have no proof it'd be a safety improvement; all they'd see is an opp'ty to upset the culture. (For that matter, they've no proof substituting flag or touch football would be a safety improvement in terms of the injuries that are present matters of concern.)
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Post by seabass on Mar 7, 2018 15:55:22 GMT -6
Posted something similar in the "admin won't let us max" thread. It applies here. Gasp. My daughter maxes and she played peewee football in 6th grade. LOL at all these adults trying to outlaw it. And anyone who doesn't think there are some using this as a way to get their foot in the door to later outlaw middle school football and then high school football, is naive. Just to be curious, what do you think is the motivation for this conspiracy you believe is true? It's too masculine.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 7, 2018 18:59:00 GMT -6
Just to be curious, what do you think is the motivation for this conspiracy you believe is true? It's too masculine. Could be, but it seems some guys get a kick out of disparaging the other's game. Like when people here write of "socker". Or when the ruggers taking a warmup lap deliberately scuffed the lacrosse lines (back when they were chalk). Granted, not many would like to outlaw the other's game, but it only takes some.... I remember when authorities tried to suppress...stickball! Not just playing stickball in the street, but keeping it out of the schoolyard, etc. Baseball bats OK, stickball bats forbidden. What was that about? Not to mention skateboarding.
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Post by mahonz on Mar 8, 2018 17:17:20 GMT -6
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Post by mahonz on Mar 8, 2018 17:54:01 GMT -6
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