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Post by phinfan on Nov 2, 2017 22:50:17 GMT -6
So tonight at the end of a close win we go in our victory formation to take a knee. So we snap the ball and 3 OL take a knee, 1 never moves, and the other guy takes a pass set. Never seen anything like it in my life. Also all 5 were our starting OL.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 3, 2017 4:59:36 GMT -6
So tonight at the end of a close win we go in our victory formation to take a knee. So we snap the ball and 3 OL take a knee, 1 never moves, and the other guy takes a pass set. Never seen anything like it in my life. Also all 5 were our starting OL. Have you ever practiced it? If not, you have learned a great lesson in a win. Never assume kids know what to do and practice every detail. If you have, then you have learned a great truth. Kids can do stupid stuff even when taught properly. LOL |
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Post by ander02 on Nov 3, 2017 7:31:44 GMT -6
I love that 3 of them actually took a knee. I had a former NFL OL coach one year tell our OL that if any of them lined up in their normal position while taking a knee then they would all have up downs on Monday. They also couldn't line up in the same spot two times in a row. I never noticed it until he told me at the end of the season.
Quick story about practicing Victory formation and then the implementation. When I first took over as HC we practiced Victory formation every Thursday. I had been scarred as an assistant (DC) one year when the QB/C exchange was fumbled and the defense recovered it, drove the field, and we stopped them on the last play at the 3 to win. So when we practiced I had everybody with eyes on the ball and not the defense in case of a fumbled exchange assuming that the officials would keep the D from rushing (like they usually do here) or that the D would realize we were taking a knee and just stand there (which is what happened on the fumble).
So we are in a district championship game my 3rd year as a HC playing a team that we had knocked out in the first round the year before. We intercept the ball to seal the game and walk out to take a knee just like we practice every Thursday. The officiating crew is not on top of things and when we snap the ball one of their players shoots between or G and T, grabs the QB while he is on a knee, and slams him to the ground. Big time cheap shot. A melee breaks out on the field and after a minute or two things clear and players get to their sidelines. The officials gather together and instead of just dealing with the kid that started the issue decide that they need to eject a couple of kids from both teams. Our starting C and LT, both seniors, are ejected and miss the quarterfinal game the next week.
Needless to say, we now practice Victory formation where the guys on the line and the up backs in the A gap step firmly and are ready to deal with any defense player in a physical manner if they move across the LOS.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 3, 2017 9:36:05 GMT -6
I love that 3 of them actually took a knee. I had a former NFL OL coach one year tell our OL that if any of them lined up in their normal position while taking a knee then they would all have up downs on Monday. They also couldn't line up in the same spot two times in a row. I never noticed it until he told me at the end of the season. Quick story about practicing Victory formation and then the implementation. When I first took over as HC we practiced Victory formation every Thursday. I had been scarred as an assistant (DC) one year when the QB/C exchange was fumbled and the defense recovered it, drove the field, and we stopped them on the last play at the 3 to win. So when we practiced I had everybody with eyes on the ball and not the defense in case of a fumbled exchange assuming that the officials would keep the D from rushing (like they usually do here) or that the D would realize we were taking a knee and just stand there (which is what happened on the fumble). So we are in a district championship game my 3rd year as a HC playing a team that we had knocked out in the first round the year before. We intercept the ball to seal the game and walk out to take a knee just like we practice every Thursday. The officiating crew is not on top of things and when we snap the ball one of their players shoots between or G and T, grabs the QB while he is on a knee, and slams him to the ground. Big time cheap shot. A melee breaks out on the field and after a minute or two things clear and players get to their sidelines. The officials gather together and instead of just dealing with the kid that started the issue decide that they need to eject a couple of kids from both teams. Our starting C and LT, both seniors, are ejected and miss the quarterfinal game the next week. Needless to say, we now practice Victory formation where the guys on the line and the up backs in the A gap step firmly and are ready to deal with any defense player in a physical manner if they move across the LOS. Was there anyway to protest their game suspension under those circumstances? That is ridiculous and those ref should be at least privately reprimanded. |
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Post by ander02 on Nov 3, 2017 9:51:25 GMT -6
No way to protest. By-laws say official's decisions are final. Officials said that our guys threw punches but the game video did not show the same thing. Unfortunately, state association policy doesn't allow for review, even of video. Our parents toyed with the idea of trying to file an injunction in court. I was glad they didn't after they consulted with lawyers, would've been a mess. We were definitely overmatched in the QF game even with those two seniors but I was more upset that they wouldn't be allowed to finish their careers the right way.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 3, 2017 9:59:38 GMT -6
No way to protest. By-laws say official's decisions are final. Officials said that our guys threw punches but the game video did not show the same thing. Unfortunately, state association policy doesn't allow for review, even of video. Our parents toyed with the idea of trying to file an injunction in court. I was glad they didn't after they consulted with lawyers, would've been a mess. We were definitely overmatched in the QF game even with those two seniors but I was more upset that they wouldn't be allowed to finish their careers the right way. In our league, that could at least be brought before the athletic committee to overturn. I agree that ref decision are final - for that game. But not necessarily for future games. |
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Post by ander02 on Nov 3, 2017 10:09:28 GMT -6
Everything here goes through the state association. We definitely pled our case a couple of times but at the end of the day those were the by-laws voted on and set by the member schools. No appeals process or committee to overturn that type of thing. Still don't like it but that's how it is.
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Post by MICoach on Nov 3, 2017 10:24:29 GMT -6
I love that 3 of them actually took a knee. I had a former NFL OL coach one year tell our OL that if any of them lined up in their normal position while taking a knee then they would all have up downs on Monday. They also couldn't line up in the same spot two times in a row. I never noticed it until he told me at the end of the season. So wait - they were supposed to just move around, like, for fun? If so, I get it and that's kind of awesome. Just asking for clarification... |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 3, 2017 10:25:45 GMT -6
Everything here goes through the state association. We definitely pled our case a couple of times but at the end of the day those were the by-laws voted on and set by the member schools. No appeals process or committee to overturn that type of thing. Still don't like it but that's how it is. I meant our state association athletic committee. I think anything can be appealed. You have to pay to make an appeal. If you win, you get your money back. The committee doesn’t have to listen the appeal, but at least there is somewhere to go to possibly correct a wrong |
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Post by phinfan on Nov 3, 2017 10:54:41 GMT -6
So tonight at the end of a close win we go in our victory formation to take a knee. So we snap the ball and 3 OL take a knee, 1 never moves, and the other guy takes a pass set. Never seen anything like it in my life. Also all 5 were our starting OL. Have you ever practiced it? If not, you have learned a great lesson in a win. Never assume kids know what to do and practice every detail. If you have, then you have learned a great truth. Kids can do stupid stuff even when taught properly. LOL We practice it every Thursday. Everyone step forward make sure no one murders the QB. Even did it in a game 2 weeks ago and no one took a knee they just stood there cuz defense was doing the same. Last night they just went crazy I guess. |
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Post by coacht on Nov 3, 2017 11:09:13 GMT -6
Last week due to a clock error and the officials not restarting the play clock we had to have our JV QB kill a few seconds on the last play of the game(it was 4th down) because we had to snap it with like 5 seconds left on the clock. So we told him to just take a few steps back before kneeling it. Low and behold, their nose shoots through our OL, after they'd just stood there on the last snap when we took a knee. Luckily our Qb was alert and scrambed away before having to slide.
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Post by lws55 on Nov 3, 2017 14:37:57 GMT -6
Had this happen in a game a few weeks ago. In their defense, it was all of our 2's and 3's. Back up-QB snaps the ball and our LG takes a knee. QB, who has a little bit of temper, yells out "I am the one who takes a knee, dumba$$" loud enough that the stands could hear him. A lot of people chuckled, but I got called in on Monday to be told that I need to have a talk with players about language and how they represent our school when they are on the field. I love admin
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Post by ander02 on Nov 3, 2017 17:58:36 GMT -6
I love that 3 of them actually took a knee. I had a former NFL OL coach one year tell our OL that if any of them lined up in their normal position while taking a knee then they would all have up downs on Monday. They also couldn't line up in the same spot two times in a row. I never noticed it until he told me at the end of the season. So wait - they were supposed to just move around, like, for fun? If so, I get it and that's kind of awesome. Just asking for clarification... Yup. It was their "secret" thing. LT had to move to RG and then RT for example but could not line up at LT and had to make sure he lined up in different spots every snap. Never did check to see if that included the Center but I kind of doubt it and if it did I don't want to know! I wouldn't put anything past the coach. It was pretty cool and one of those little things that builds linemen camaraderie. |
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Post by rosey65 on Nov 6, 2017 6:35:56 GMT -6
We practice Victory every thursday. Foot-to-foot splits, and we are up even with the C, not on his heels.
I lost my C in college when the NG dove for the ball, so now my G's step in front to protect his knees.
Lost our QB a few years ago when a LB done over the line, so now the T's step like PAT to help against a jumper.
We dont tell them the defense will stop, we make them think the defense will go balls out. Then we tell the referees we are kneeling, and they usually get the defense to hold still
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 6, 2017 7:36:44 GMT -6
we take the snap in the shot gun
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Post by silkyice on Nov 6, 2017 8:08:35 GMT -6
we take the snap in the shot gun I like this also if you are a gun team. Put two guys on each side and one deep just like when under center. It boggles my mind when a team is 100% gun, then goes under center to take a victory snap. If you have to take three, you are asking for potential disaster. That being said, a gun team still has to practice under center because what do you do if backed up on the 3 yard line? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 6, 2017 9:26:31 GMT -6
we take the snap in the shot gun I like this also if you are a gun team. Put two guys on each side and one deep just like when under center. It boggles my mind when a team is 100% gun, then goes under center to take a victory snap. If you have to take three, you are asking for potential disaster. That being said, a gun team still has to practice under center because what do you do if backed up on the 3 yard line? I'm sitting here trying to think if I've ever been in that situations in the 25 years I've coached, and I can't recall that happening. If it did, we'd probably be running a sneak just to keep it from being a close call. |
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Post by rosey65 on Nov 6, 2017 9:31:13 GMT -6
I like this also if you are a gun team. Put two guys on each side and one deep just like when under center. It boggles my mind when a team is 100% gun, then goes under center to take a victory snap. If you have to take three, you are asking for potential disaster. That being said, a gun team still has to practice under center because what do you do if backed up on the 3 yard line? I'm sitting here trying to think if I've ever been in that situations in the 25 years I've coached, and I can't recall that happening. If it did, we'd probably be running a sneak just to keep it from being a close call. I've had it at least twice in my 10 years at this school. And I think running sneak was the point of the post... you HAVE to run sneak if you are backed up. Anything inside the 3 will have you in the endzone by 3rd down. If you are a strictly Gun team, under center and under pressure is a pretty scary win to have to seal a win if it is not something you practice. |
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Post by MICoach on Nov 6, 2017 9:34:22 GMT -6
So wait - they were supposed to just move around, like, for fun? If so, I get it and that's kind of awesome. Just asking for clarification... Yup. It was their "secret" thing. LT had to move to RG and then RT for example but could not line up at LT and had to make sure he lined up in different spots every snap. Never did check to see if that included the Center but I kind of doubt it and if it did I don't want to know! I wouldn't put anything past the coach. It was pretty cool and one of those little things that builds linemen camaraderie. I'm gonna make my OL do this now, I love it. |
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Post by hsrose on Nov 6, 2017 9:48:04 GMT -6
Here in Central CA by Sacramento the 'take a knee' is different. If we declare that we are taking a knee the defense has to abide as well so no rush, no contact. Occasionally it happens when a DL doesn't know the custom/rule but it doesn't happen very often. And it's an official thing, we declare, everyone stands there, take the snap, drop the knee.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 6, 2017 9:53:38 GMT -6
I'm sitting here trying to think if I've ever been in that situations in the 25 years I've coached, and I can't recall that happening. If it did, we'd probably be running a sneak just to keep it from being a close call. I've had it at least twice in my 10 years at this school. And I think running sneak was the point of the post... you HAVE to run sneak if you are backed up. Anything inside the 3 will have you in the endzone by 3rd down. If you are a strictly Gun team, under center and under pressure is a pretty scary win to have to seal a win if it is not something you practice. That was exactly my point. When we were spread, we practice the under center knee and gun knee every Thursday. We always used the gun knee because that situation never occurred. |
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Post by carookie on Nov 14, 2017 22:23:27 GMT -6
So tonight at the end of a close win we go in our victory formation to take a knee. So we snap the ball and 3 OL take a knee, 1 never moves, and the other guy takes a pass set. Never seen anything like it in my life. Also all 5 were our starting OL. HA!!! I had a teammate do the same thing when in HS. FWIW, we install victory the Thursday before our last game, and then practice it the last play of every Thursday there on out. Just kind of like a signal to end the week of practice and mark that its time for victory |
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Post by carookie on Nov 14, 2017 22:28:17 GMT -6
I like this also if you are a gun team. Put two guys on each side and one deep just like when under center. It boggles my mind when a team is 100% gun, then goes under center to take a victory snap. If you have to take three, you are asking for potential disaster. That being said, a gun team still has to practice under center because what do you do if backed up on the 3 yard line? I'm sitting here trying to think if I've ever been in that situations in the 25 years I've coached, and I can't recall that happening. If it did, we'd probably be running a sneak just to keep it from being a close call. What about if you want to spike the ball to kill the clock? As someone who has seen this firsthand, you may want to practice that one UC. |
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Post by murdr on Nov 15, 2017 2:17:10 GMT -6
Here in Central CA by Sacramento the 'take a knee' is different. If we declare that we are taking a knee the defense has to abide as well so no rush, no contact. Occasionally it happens when a DL doesn't know the custom/rule but it doesn't happen very often. And it's an official thing, we declare, everyone stands there, take the snap, drop the knee. I don't like that. Anything, like a botched snap, can happen. Let the kids play until the clock hits zero. |
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Post by Old Pro on Mar 13, 2018 22:22:17 GMT -6
Had a kid once that was clueless. Coach called to take a knee to get out of the half. QB takes snap, takes knee. Clueless kid also takes knee. Stud across the line tees off and knocks kid a$$ over tea cart. Not funny at the time but the visual is priceless.
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Post by aceback76 on Mar 17, 2018 8:41:18 GMT -6
So tonight at the end of a close win we go in our victory formation to take a knee. So we snap the ball and 3 OL take a knee, 1 never moves, and the other guy takes a pass set. Never seen anything like it in my life. Also all 5 were our starting OL. Remember what the Marines say ("The 6 P's"): "Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance"!!! |
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Post by phinfan on Mar 17, 2018 10:36:20 GMT -6
So tonight at the end of a close win we go in our victory formation to take a knee. So we snap the ball and 3 OL take a knee, 1 never moves, and the other guy takes a pass set. Never seen anything like it in my life. Also all 5 were our starting OL. Remember what the Marines say ("The 6 P's"): "Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance"!!! As stated earlier in the thread we practice it every Thursday and had done it earlier in the year correctly our kids just apparently lost their minds. Copy/Paste snazzy comment/quote/info from someone famous. |
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