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Post by morgs23 on Oct 16, 2017 4:23:13 GMT -6
Coaches
We just experienced our first overt time game and came up short. I would love to hear how some of you handle the over time period in regards to preparation and scheme.
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Post by blb on Oct 16, 2017 5:48:49 GMT -6
1. Win the coin toss ("Tails never fails")
2. Choose to go on defense first
3. Stop the opponent from scoring
4. Run straight ahead two plays, kick the FG on 3rd Down (in case of bad snap)
5. Celebrate
Practice the above once during Pre-Season, then Thursdays In-Season
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Oct 16, 2017 6:14:36 GMT -6
I haven't had many HS kickers who I felt confident about kicking a 35+ yard field goal consistently to just run 2 plays and then kick a field goal. You maybe get the ball to the 18-20 yards line and then attempt a 35+ yard field goal?
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Post by fantom on Oct 16, 2017 6:33:56 GMT -6
I haven't had many HS kickers who I felt confident about kicking a 35+ yard field goal consistently to just run 2 plays and then kick a field goal. You maybe get the ball to the 18-20 yards line and then attempt a 35+ yard field goal? Depends on whether you play under Fed or NCAA rules. |
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Post by blb on Oct 16, 2017 6:42:07 GMT -6
I haven't had many HS kickers who I felt confident about kicking a 35+ yard field goal consistently to just run 2 plays and then kick a field goal. You maybe get the ball to the 18-20 yards line and then attempt a 35+ yard field goal?
In our state (NFHS rules) ball is put in play from 10-yard line in OT.
Not like CFB.
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Post by fantom on Oct 16, 2017 6:45:33 GMT -6
I haven't had many HS kickers who I felt confident about kicking a 35+ yard field goal consistently to just run 2 plays and then kick a field goal. You maybe get the ball to the 18-20 yards line and then attempt a 35+ yard field goal?
In our state (NFHS rules) ball is put in play from 10-yard line in OT.
Not like CFB.
So, personally, as a DC, I coach like it's 1st and Goal at the 10 and hope that the other guy gets all excited and tries to do something special. |
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Post by blb on Oct 16, 2017 6:50:54 GMT -6
I haven't had many HS kickers who I felt confident about kicking a 35+ yard field goal consistently to just run 2 plays and then kick a field goal. You maybe get the ball to the 18-20 yards line and then attempt a 35+ yard field goal?
Have you played in an OT game?
Does your state play by NFHS or NCAA rules?
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Post by **** on Oct 16, 2017 7:08:06 GMT -6
I just coached in a 3 OT game and won. What do you want to know?
We play NFHS rules but overtime is set up like college. Get the ball at the 25, etc...
IME there is no way to prepare for that situation. Comes down to who executes and who wants it more.
Scheme wise I will not let their best player beat us.... But that's the same philosophy I have through the entire game.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 16, 2017 7:09:17 GMT -6
I can tell you what not to do: We are 0-2 in OT games this season.
1st game we were on O first and threw a pick on 1st down---they scored a TD on 4th down and inches still not sure why they didn't kick it.
2nd game on D first and they scored on the first play...we got to the 3 on 1st down and back to the 10 by 4th down due to penalties and miscues...ended the game being pushed out inside the 1.
These were my 3rd and 4th OT games as a HC and we are now 1-3...one of them went into 4 OT and ended on an impromptu holder pulled the ball on the kicker and scored a 2pt conversion to win by 1.
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 16, 2017 7:40:09 GMT -6
Not too much different than the other posts. We practice it in the pre-season and then on Thursdays, a four play O sequence. Some years we would have been able to rapid fire no-huddle those plays too. In terms of play selection we want to run our best stuff. Maybe use our best 2-point play to score if we haven't used it yet. In nine seasons as a head coach we never had one OT game though. Several that were close to it though.
Win the toss and go on D.
Stop them.
Score and win.
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Post by morgs23 on Oct 16, 2017 7:54:11 GMT -6
Coaches
In OT do you go in with the mindset to use your base package on the offensive side or is this a time that you need to pull something out of the trick bag? IS it better to use a sprint out passing scheme? In our situation we were on Defense first the other team put 7 on the board. We used NFHS rules ball was on 25.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 16, 2017 9:06:19 GMT -6
We practice our red zone every Tuesday, so it's in the routine.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Oct 16, 2017 11:14:45 GMT -6
I haven't had many HS kickers who I felt confident about kicking a 35+ yard field goal consistently to just run 2 plays and then kick a field goal. You maybe get the ball to the 18-20 yards line and then attempt a 35+ yard field goal?
Have you played in an OT game?
Does your state play by NFHS or NCAA rules?
Coached in a few. Our state plays under NFHS rules, but our overtime is the same as the collegiate set-up, start with ball on 25.. If your state still currently plays from the 10 like we used to, then yes running twice and kicking a field goal becomes a very effective game plan decision, especially with a solid kicker. In small school HS football, we just haven't been blessed or done a good enough job of developing kickers who are consistently good from 35+ playing under our states overtime rules, even as an NFHS state. |
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Post by blb on Oct 16, 2017 11:17:41 GMT -6
I did not know that NFHS states had option of starting OT possessions from 25-yard line.
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 16, 2017 11:24:52 GMT -6
Offensively - go with your best guy
defensively- know that they are going to their best guy
hope you have a kicker
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Post by PSS on Oct 17, 2017 12:54:45 GMT -6
NCAA rules here. Have coached in many over time games. Our first game of the year was a double over time loss, our only loss of the year. I've coached in a couple of games that have gone more than 3. The longest was 5. You have to go for 2 pt conversion on third overtime.
Win the toss and play defense first. Hold them to a FG or force a turnover. I'm a defensive coach so I would assume outside of the 10 you go with what's been working to move the ball. Once you get inside the 10 you have to go with your red zone offense.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Oct 17, 2017 14:06:57 GMT -6
I just coached in a 3 OT game and won. What do you want to know? We play NFHS rules but overtime is set up like college. Get the ball at the 25, etc... IME there is no way to prepare for that situation. Comes down to who executes and who wants it more. Scheme wise I will not let their best player beat us.... But that's the same philosophy I have through the entire game. I'd rather hear from a coach that went to single OT and won. I kid, I kid... |
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Post by edcubby on Oct 17, 2017 18:46:42 GMT -6
I will admit this is a little unconventional but if we win the toss we take the ball 1st in OT.
My thought process is I want to be ahead and play loose on defense.
That being said...we are 3-1 in OT games but only one of those did NOT go into double OT. And each double OT game ended with us on Offense anyway (scored on 4th down, fumble going into the end zone, and went for 2 to got it).
So my philosophy is flawed...but I keep it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 17, 2017 19:48:50 GMT -6
I will admit this is a little unconventional but if we win the toss we take the ball 1st in OT. My thought process is I want to be ahead and play loose on defense. That being said...we are 3-1 in OT games but only one of those did NOT go into double OT. And each double OT game ended with us on Offense anyway (scored on 4th down, fumble going into the end zone, and went for 2 to got it). So my philosophy is flawed...but I keep it. how much does this play into your -confidence on your offense -confidence on defense -wanting to flip the usual rational for the coin toss -program philosophy  ? I've often wondered about the over time and how often it goes more than a single OT. Elaborate. Thanks in advance. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 17, 2017 20:02:09 GMT -6
I will admit this is a little unconventional but if we win the toss we take the ball 1st in OT. My thought process is I want to be ahead and play loose on defense. That being said...we are 3-1 in OT games but only one of those did NOT go into double OT. And each double OT game ended with us on Offense anyway (scored on 4th down, fumble going into the end zone, and went for 2 to got it). So my philosophy is flawed...but I keep it. Do you play from the 10 or the 25? If the 25, in HS I could see the strategy being acceptable given a team without a solid kicker. But if you take it from the 10, I have to say you are probably doing your team a disservice. |
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Post by PSS on Oct 17, 2017 20:07:32 GMT -6
I will admit this is a little unconventional but if we win the toss we take the ball 1st in OT. My thought process is I want to be ahead and play loose on defense. That being said...we are 3-1 in OT games but only one of those did NOT go into double OT. And each double OT game ended with us on Offense anyway (scored on 4th down, fumble going into the end zone, and went for 2 to got it). So my philosophy is flawed...but I keep it. how much does this play into your -confidence on your offense -confidence on defense -wanting to flip the usual rational for the coin toss -program philosophy ? I've often wondered about the over time and how often it goes more than a single OT. Elaborate. Thanks in advance. Very few of the OT's that I've been involved in have been a single OT. The 2 or 3 that have are because of the momentum one team has that carried over from the 4th quarter. Every HC that I have worked for has chosen to go defense first. They want to put it in the defense's hand to get a stop, or hold to a FG, then let the offense win it. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 17, 2017 20:31:16 GMT -6
how much does this play into your -confidence on your offense -confidence on defense -wanting to flip the usual rational for the coin toss -program philosophy ? I've often wondered about the over time and how often it goes more than a single OT. Elaborate. Thanks in advance. Very few of the OT's that I've been involved in have been a single OT. The 2 or 3 that have are because of the momentum one team has that carried over from the 4th quarter. Every HC that I have worked for has chosen to go defense first. They want to put it in the defense's hand to get a stop, or hold to a FG, then let the offense win it. But the consensus is if you win the coin toss, put the defense on the field 1st; so if in game because of momentum/conditioning/feel/contrarian thinking the call says go offense first, then why? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 17, 2017 20:34:12 GMT -6
is it like winning the coin toss at the onset of the game and deciding to defer and go on defense?
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Post by PSS on Oct 17, 2017 20:39:16 GMT -6
Very few of the OT's that I've been involved in have been a single OT. The 2 or 3 that have are because of the momentum one team has that carried over from the 4th quarter. Every HC that I have worked for has chosen to go defense first. They want to put it in the defense's hand to get a stop, or hold to a FG, then let the offense win it. But the consensus is if you win the coin toss, put the defense on the field 1st; so if in game because of momentum/conditioning/feel/contrarian thinking the call says go offense first, then why? More HC's have confidence in their defense? I honestly don't know what the statistics are for games ending in 1 OT. I would think the majority go at least 2. In NCAA rules, the possessions flip every on the next OT. So with your philosophy, play for even on 1st OT (put the defense on the field first); then play to win in second OT (offense has to go first). (not sure if Federation rules are the same) Also remember in NCAA we start at the 25. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 17, 2017 20:41:44 GMT -6
But the consensus is if you win the coin toss, put the defense on the field 1st; so if in game because of momentum/conditioning/feel/contrarian thinking the call says go offense first, then why? More HC's have confidence in their defense? I honestly don't know what the statistics are for games ending in 1 OT. I would think the majority go at least 2. In NCAA rules, the possessions flip every on the next OT. So with your philosophy, play for even on 1st OT (put the defense on the field first); then play to win in second OT (offense has to go first). (not sure if Federation rules are the same) Also remember in NCAA we start at the 25. For us, the play starts at the 10 and flip each series only 1 coin toss |
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Post by fantom on Oct 17, 2017 21:09:43 GMT -6
More HC's have confidence in their defense? I honestly don't know what the statistics are for games ending in 1 OT. I would think the majority go at least 2. In NCAA rules, the possessions flip every on the next OT. So with your philosophy, play for even on 1st OT (put the defense on the field first); then play to win in second OT (offense has to go first). (not sure if Federation rules are the same) Also remember in NCAA we start at the 25. For us, the play starts at the 10 and flip each series only 1 coin toss We also start on the 10. We also prefer to start on defense because then we know what we need to do offensively and don't take unnecessary risks if we only need three and have a reliable kicker. |
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Post by center on Oct 17, 2017 21:45:11 GMT -6
By that point in the game you should have your play selection and defensive calls pretty well narrowed down. Stick to the things that have been working.
If you are going to go down, run the best plays and call the best defenses you have had for the day and expect the opponent to do the same.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 18, 2017 1:32:36 GMT -6
OT is much easier to prepare for than your 2 minute offense. You don't have the distance and the clock is not against you like in TMO.
Work on your 3rd down game. 3rd and short/medium/long. Those are the plays you'll need to master...those and your 2 pt. conversion.
Defensively, we do likewise. We always scout for 3rd downs from our upcoming and we figure on using that in OT.
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Post by dubber on Oct 19, 2017 9:42:58 GMT -6
Overtime is the perfect time to work the officials for that holding call.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2017 10:55:58 GMT -6
Very few of the OT's that I've been involved in have been a single OT. The 2 or 3 that have are because of the momentum one team has that carried over from the 4th quarter. Every HC that I have worked for has chosen to go defense first. They want to put it in the defense's hand to get a stop, or hold to a FG, then let the offense win it. But the consensus is if you win the coin toss, put the defense on the field 1st; so if in game because of momentum/conditioning/feel/contrarian thinking the call says go offense first, then why? It is a logic based decision. If you go second, you know what you need. You have ALL the information. 0-0 3-0 6-0 7-0 8-0 You now what you have to do. If it is 4th down and 10 and you have the ball first and can make a FG, most likely, you kick. If you are down 7-0, you try and score a TD. What do you do if they are up 8-0? Now you know you have to go for 2. etc. It is purely an information decision. But, I do think that playing offense first is fine. Two great reasons. You don't care about the coin toss. If you choose offense, you are 99% assured that you will get the ball first because almost everyone else chooses to play defense first. That could be an advantage always knowing. You score at all, and that puts pressure on them. They have to score even if it is a FG to tie. At the outset, they aren't looking to tie. I don't care what level of high school you coach or how good your FG unit is, you are a little worried about a FG in overtime to tie it up. You miss you lose. Bad snap, whatever. If you make it, you just play another OT. |
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