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Post by natenator on Sept 29, 2017 9:19:46 GMT -6
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Post by natenator on Sept 29, 2017 9:20:32 GMT -6
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Post by murdr on Sept 29, 2017 9:25:11 GMT -6
Their right to protest. School's right to bench/cut distractions.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 29, 2017 9:27:39 GMT -6
I totally agree with it myself. A team that I coached for just had random players take a knee. Of course this is following a military appreciation game that I started a few years ago. Makes me want to throw up. Curious to see how it aligns to tinker vs des moines. Every student has the right to an education, but every student does not have the right to play/participate in athletics. landmarkcases.org/en/landmark/cases/tinker_v_des_moines#Tab=Overview |
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Post by carookie on Sept 29, 2017 9:30:00 GMT -6
I totally agree with it myself. A team that I coached for just had random players take a knee. Of course this is following a military appreciation game that I started a few years ago. Makes me want to throw up. Curious to see how it aligns to tinker vs des moines. Every student has the right to an education, but every student does not have the right to play/participate in athletics. landmarkcases.org/en/landmark/cases/tinker_v_des_moines#Tab=OverviewWhen this all started last year we had a discussion on the board about it. I think we found that Tinker does not apply to extra curriculars, but there were other cases that did. I believe those cases gave more authority to the coaches/admin than did tinker |
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Post by gian3074 on Sept 29, 2017 10:03:31 GMT -6
Let's be honest, no matter where you stand on the issue one thing is clear: the Supreme Court will be weighing in on this issue within five years.
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Post by 53 on Sept 29, 2017 10:41:17 GMT -6
It's a really damn tough situation.
There's no doubt in some communities you'd be fired or ran out of town for allowing any of your players to knee during it and still play them in the game.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 29, 2017 11:04:42 GMT -6
The players on and off the field are a representation of the coach. I am not saying that is always fair, but its what you sign up for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 11:15:22 GMT -6
Easy solution, stop playing the National Anthem before sporting events. We don't play it before the drama club takes the stage, we don't play it orchestra plays their piece...
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 29, 2017 11:19:29 GMT -6
Easy solution, stop playing the National Anthem before sporting events. We don't play it before the drama club takes the stage, we don't play it orchestra plays their piece... Sometimes the easiest solution isn't the best. Water and electricity also follow the path of least resistance |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 11:49:16 GMT -6
Easy solution, stop playing the National Anthem before sporting events. We don't play it before the drama club takes the stage, we don't play it orchestra plays their piece... Sometimes the easiest solution isn't the best. Water and electricity also follow the path of least resistance  |
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 29, 2017 11:57:10 GMT -6
Oh Boy......... lol Sometimes the easiest solution isn't the best. Water and electricity also follow the path of least resistance |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 29, 2017 14:07:40 GMT -6
Easy solution, stop playing the National Anthem before sporting events. We don't play it before the drama club takes the stage, we don't play it orchestra plays their piece... How about you just stay in the locker room for it? I don’t know that I’ve ever been on the field for the anthem anywhere I’ve coached. |
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Post by murdr on Sept 29, 2017 14:11:46 GMT -6
It's a really damn tough situation. There's no doubt in some communities you'd be fired or ran out of town for allowing any of your players to knee during it and still play them in the game. Yup. I'm in WV. I'm certain we'd all be fired if we allowed it without consequence. |
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Post by JVD on Oct 2, 2017 9:13:37 GMT -6
Why are they protesting again?
I have heard ALL of the news commentators give their opinion of why they are protesting...but I haven't heard from any of the players.
That's a problem.
If you want to sit out the anthem....kneel it out...whatever.
I don't really care.
But don't be angry when people are angry with you.
Make sure your "cause" is worth the consequences.
There is no such thing as speech that is free.
You must account for every word that you say.
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Post by mnike23 on Oct 2, 2017 9:29:03 GMT -6
when this started last year, I asked any player that wanted to kneel, if they could give a legit argument as to why they were kneeling, i wouldnt be upset. i dont like it, but if you can argue the point as a 16-18 year old as to why, then i or anyone else wont be allowed to say you cant. we had 3 kids that held up fists, but no kneeling. was interesting that 2 of the kids did that because the other 1 did. that boy in particular gave a great explaination as to why. they following week. he didnt even do it. felt as he was being disrespectful to the coaches to have to answer to the principal for his actions.
my take is this, what are you protesting? why? and how much of your kneeling is going to affect people at a high school football game? if 2500 people saw you on a knee is that going to change their minds on police brutality or the racial injusticies that live in the US today? probably not. and do you want the boo birds in your ear and even more so do you want to create more division amongst teammates? and what about the ramifications that it imposes on me, as your coach? what if you doing so causes issues at the college you are choosing/choosing you? maybe they stop recruiting you because of it?
lots to think about...
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Post by brophy on Oct 2, 2017 9:35:27 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 2, 2017 9:47:10 GMT -6
I’m fine with people protesting stuff as long as they can say why and it’s peaceful. That’s your right as an American.
Where you lose me is the “slave master mentality” crap. I mean, are we really headed toward a world where any white male telling anyone of color anything as simple as sit down in class is a “slave master mentality”? I think it is and that’s where I have issues. For any society to function there has to be certain things you do just because you’re told or supposed to do it.
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Post by JVD on Oct 2, 2017 10:07:18 GMT -6
"You will run sweep exactly like this. If you don't do it exactly like this, I will find someone who will."
Is that "Slave Master Mentality?"
There is no option. This team is not a democracy. You will do it the way I say, or you will stand next to me on the sideline.
Ugg....just uggg.
These are the same people that will protest me when I get back from my next war......
That's okay. I'll take SECDEF's advice, shake their hand then wink at their girlfriend...because she knows she's dating a !@$$&.
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Post by newhope on Oct 2, 2017 10:25:21 GMT -6
According to the memo received from our board attorney last week, school can not prevent them from kneeling.
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Post by Stangs13065 on Oct 2, 2017 10:37:18 GMT -6
I believe wholeheartedly in first amendment rights. Players absolutely have the right to sit or kneel during the anthem. However, those rights are restricted at school and in the workplace. There are a lot of things you can't say/do/wear at school and at work, so it's absolutely within the school's rights to discipline a player for kneeling. And for that matter, within the NFL's right to put an end to kneeling during the anthem (Which I sense is what's happening behind the scenes because ratings are plummeting). Let's dispel this notion that this solely about freedom of speech/, though. The NFL fines players for celebrating after Touchdowns. I've seen school districts ban wearing American flag apparel.
Schools/Corporations limit freedom of speech/expression all of the time because it can cast a negative light on the organization.
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Post by brophy on Oct 2, 2017 11:01:44 GMT -6
where it ultimately is at for us as coaches is the School Board.
With a private school, you can truly get away with mandating behavior.
Where you will have an issue is if you're a public school. Not really because we're actually talking about right or wrong or beliefs, but merely based on liability. Not to be cynical, but I am honestly surprised there hasn't been a player (a non-starter) being directed by their parents to kneel so they CAN BE DISCIPLINED.
You would be surprised how many parents see litigation toward the school board, LHSAA and essentially the State Board of Education, as a lottery windfall.
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