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Post by tothehouse on Sept 11, 2017 15:16:12 GMT -6
Please Admin...don't ban me. This is about football.
What is your take on giving out film?
I'm getting blasted in Hudl for everyone else's film. Sometimes they want our game film...and we don't play them.
Of course they offer their trade film that has an opponent we play. Those carrots are dangled.
I have a standing rule as film guy. "Did you contact our HC with a phone call?" If no...you get double middle fingers.
I'm not everyone's film guy.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 11, 2017 15:54:44 GMT -6
I'll give it. We have some a holes in our league that just won't trade. If that's the case I make sure to send out everything I have on them
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Post by Defcord on Sept 11, 2017 16:07:31 GMT -6
I don't know why some guys are dbags. Let's trade last two and two deep and save ourselves all a little time.
As far as side trades all is fair in love and war. I actually prefer our opponents to have 7 or 8. If you want to spend that kind of time on film good for you. It's high school football. I will play your tendencies in last two and match up against your best and worst personnel and sleep at night win or lose.
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Post by jg78 on Sept 11, 2017 16:28:29 GMT -6
I will give any film to anyone, mainly so I can expect the same in return down the road. If my worst enemy called wanting film on my best friend's team, I would give it to him.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 11, 2017 16:54:22 GMT -6
We will generally share film with our people. If we play you, we will give you the last 2 and maybe last 3 if you want. Will we get film on you from our friends? Yeah, sometimes
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2017 18:13:46 GMT -6
Please Admin...don't ban me. This is about football. What is your take on giving out film? I'm getting blasted in Hudl for everyone else's film. Sometimes they want our game film...and we don't play them. Of course they offer their trade film that has an opponent we play. Those carrots are dangled. I have a standing rule as film guy. "Did you contact our HC with a phone call?" If no...you get double middle fingers. I'm not everyone's film guy. Only the boss gets to make those decisions. That's what the "head" in "head coach" means.
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Post by jg78 on Sept 11, 2017 18:57:27 GMT -6
I like your sig, fantom. Sometimes "long hours" are really just inefficient work.
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Post by newhope on Sept 12, 2017 5:56:51 GMT -6
Why not trade if you're getting something in return? Why not trade if you might want something down the road? If I know you, or someone on my staff has a connection to your staff and we need film, we're going to call you and ask if we can trade. That's what friends are for. And I agree that this is the head coach's decision.
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Post by joelee on Sept 12, 2017 6:28:56 GMT -6
We got a request a couple weeks ago. Team we don't play but he plays our week 2 and 3 opponent. I don't know the guy. I went to the HC and he said I don't know the guy. He said don't send the guy film. #1 he just wanted film, no trade. #2 he didn't call us first to ask, just sent a cold request on hudl. At least call us dude.
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Post by s73 on Sept 12, 2017 6:43:29 GMT -6
We have a conference rule with bylaws. We follow those rules to the letter inside the conference.
Outside the conference if you can manage some extra film from somebody there is no issue that I'm aware of.
Our rule is any 2 films of your choice. Some guys want to trade them all. Never understood that. I almost feel it's detrimental. If I go into a game with information overload I feel like I over think my strategy instead of calling plays.
Basically, when I look at film, the biggest think I'm looking for is alignment/ coverage & personnel.
Outside of that, not really looking for much else. Maybe the occasional blitz.
Am I the norm or I am missing the boat here?
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Post by hunhdisciple on Sept 12, 2017 7:20:23 GMT -6
We had a guy a few years ago try to start come crap about us cheating, spying, luring players away, all that crap. Because of that, he refused to exchange anything with us for the week 5 game.
Our HC was best friends with his week 4 opponent, so we got their 2, 3, and 4 games. Got their weeks 0 and 1 game in exchange for some stuff.
Ended up beating then by 30. And that night, as I was uploading to HUDL, our HV calls me and tells me to send a 1 way exchange with their week 6 opponent. Send all of it, tell him to pay it forward.
Apparently the guy tried to weasel out of exchanging anything with anyone, so everybody just kept the film train running every week.
I'm a firm believer that you can never have too much stuff. And I have no issues spending a lot of time breaking everything down.
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Post by realdawg on Sept 12, 2017 8:00:22 GMT -6
If I know a guy who asks for it I'd help him out. If it was an unsolicited request from a guy I didnt know I'd ignore it.
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Post by joker31 on Sept 12, 2017 10:05:11 GMT -6
Our association has a Hudl pool. Every team must post their game film to their "league pool" by 1 PM the following day.
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Post by msirishman on Sept 12, 2017 10:21:46 GMT -6
We got a request a couple weeks ago. Team we don't play but he plays our week 2 and 3 opponent. I don't know the guy. I went to the HC and he said I don't know the guy. He said don't send the guy film. #1 he just wanted film, no trade. #2 he didn't call us first to ask, just sent a cold request on hudl. At least call us dude. I fall under this category. I don't mind sending you some film, as long as you are willing to reciprocate down the road. But if I don't know you, have the common courtesy to call and ask or you're not getting anything.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 12, 2017 10:41:22 GMT -6
I'll send anyone anything, but won't trade on my alma mater, head coach is a very good friend of mine and I played for him for a year, and coached with him for six when we were both assistants. Other then that, who you want? If I got it, you can have it.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 12, 2017 10:42:15 GMT -6
A few year ago the league suggested of creating a video pool and every teams games would be in one hudl spot. Old timers shot it down. Either didn't want to break down that many games, or felt like their films were some type of treasure in a indiana jones movie
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Post by nicku on Sept 12, 2017 10:45:37 GMT -6
I still remember when I was a frosh or soph and one of the coaches said something along the lines of "crap, I gotta drive out and meet with that dude from Indianola (cant remember the real opponent) to trade film." I was like "wait..y'all actually voluntarily trade film with a team you are playing?" Still to this day seems like a weird thing to do, but I guess it makes sense now. I echo whats said above...follow the guidelines for trading film, but I don't see the harm in getting some extra film from a buddy if it's available.
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Post by **** on Sept 12, 2017 12:00:56 GMT -6
I am a film {censored}.
Week 9 is our last regular season game and I will have every single game that team has played.
I already have film on teams we might not even play for the semi finals. Gotta get it when you can.
Very, very rarely will I send a request with nothing to return. I actually have one out right now to a school in IL. Hamilton/Warsaw High school in IL (if anybody knows them put in a good word for me). They would've received a scout film from an opponent they played and I'm hoping to get that scout film from them, since it's not their game film.
I trade with anybody and everybody. I'll do 5 or so trades on Monday/Tuesday to get film on people we could/do play.
Some conferences have rules not to trade with anybody outside the conference which sucks, but I can't do anything about it. Most people will trade anything as long as they get something back in return.
Other guys just wont trade with me because they're "old school" so I get film on them and send it out to everybody they play.
We also have had teams send chitty copies of film out or not trade with others. So I'll pay it forward to other teams.
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Post by tothehouse on Sept 12, 2017 12:25:53 GMT -6
Don't let it be misconstrued that we're not giving you film. Or being wieners about it...if I/we don't know you.
You can't say, "______" doesn't give out film!
Yes...we do. But not to douche canoes that we don't know or just assume we'll trade.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 12, 2017 12:33:16 GMT -6
I check with the HC... if he agreed to trading, I send it... if not TS.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 12, 2017 12:40:15 GMT -6
May be a little off topic but I WANT our opponents to have everything. We run so many different formations on a week to week basis that they'll end up practicing stuff we have no intention on running against them.
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Post by PSS on Sept 12, 2017 12:48:26 GMT -6
If I can get more than the 2 games that we trade with our opponent then I will. Often myself or someone on staff will know someone on another staff that will send us film, or will trade for a common opponent.
In district play we trade 3 films. By the 3rd district game we have all the film we want of district opponents. Where it gets tricky is in the playoffs. You'll be surprised how many coaches will send film on someone that beat them, even though their district rules forbid it. Often we have 5 or more games on our playoff opponents.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 12, 2017 13:21:05 GMT -6
If I have 12 films of you I'm going to break down 12 films.
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Post by PSS on Sept 12, 2017 13:52:42 GMT -6
We breakdown last 4 then scan the remaining for things such as trick plays or formations that they haven't shown in the previous games.
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Post by dubber on Sept 12, 2017 19:07:24 GMT -6
The older I get, the less I think film matters.
Personnel is the single most important thing. Studs and duds.....game plan that.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 12, 2017 19:15:38 GMT -6
dubber I was just thinking that today. I watch less opponent film now than ever. I spend my time preparing a practice, grading practice, getting us better. as Brian Kight says..The solution to everything ..Get Better
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Post by silkyice on Sept 12, 2017 19:32:43 GMT -6
The older I get, the less I think film matters. Personnel is the single most important thing. Studs and duds.....game plan that. True. Don't you need some film to determine that? And how they get those studs the ball?
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Post by agap on Sept 12, 2017 19:45:23 GMT -6
That's why I like pools. Everybody gets film of all games. Playoffs are a different story.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Sept 12, 2017 19:56:14 GMT -6
For our conference, the rule is that we do not trade any film to anyone out of the conference. Outside that, we've traded non-conference films with other teams and usually trade. They'll usually have some film that we're interested in.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 13, 2017 9:22:24 GMT -6
Please Admin...don't ban me. This is about football. What is your take on giving out film? I'm getting blasted in Hudl for everyone else's film. Sometimes they want our game film...and we don't play them. Of course they offer their trade film that has an opponent we play. Those carrots are dangled. I have a standing rule as film guy. "Did you contact our HC with a phone call?" If no...you get double middle fingers. I'm not everyone's film guy. I disagree, Ill send film to anyone just so I can A. Develop relationships with coaches in the area or out. B. Expect film back down the road. Some people may ask why you care to develop relationships with other coaches? I feel I personally do my job the best when I know if I am fired over something I truly believe in. EX. Not starting a kid because they missed practice. That I can continue to earn a salary and coach what I love by 3:00 in the afternoon.
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