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Post by coachjuice on Sept 11, 2017 6:08:44 GMT -6
We lost our opening game on Friday night in heartbreaking fashion. We were up by 12 in the 4th and we ended up losing by 4. Film day today, we really dominated play but made several undisciplined mistakes late in game that cost us. My assistants want to bring hell and fury to film room. We are obviously not mentally tough even though we are very talented. I have been doing this a long time now and this may be the most difficult loss of my career, any thoughts on how to handle film today?
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2017 6:28:58 GMT -6
We lost our opening game on Friday night in heartbreaking fashion. We were up by 12 in the 4th and we ended up losing by 4. Film day today, we really dominated play but made several undisciplined mistakes late in game that cost us. My assistants want to bring hell and fury to film room. We are obviously not mentally tough even though we are very talented. I have been doing this a long time now and this may be the most difficult loss of my career, any thoughts on how to handle film today? I like to give them the opposite of what they expect. After a big win, I like to give them hell, pointing mistakes, to keep them from getting complacent. After a tough loss, I like to go into instructor mode, pointing out and correcting mistakes. |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 11, 2017 6:33:49 GMT -6
We lost our opening game on Friday night in heartbreaking fashion. We were up by 12 in the 4th and we ended up losing by 4. Film day today, we really dominated play but made several undisciplined mistakes late in game that cost us. My assistants want to bring hell and fury to film room. We are obviously not mentally tough even though we are very talented. I have been doing this a long time now and this may be the most difficult loss of my career, any thoughts on how to handle film today? This is just me. What is hell and fury going to accomplish? What is it going to accomplish on Monday? (We watch film on Saturday to be done with that week). Did the kids play to win? Did they compete? Were they happy they lost? If they competed and hustled and tried to win, hell and fury three days after the fact and the day you are trying to get ready for someone else, will be counter productive. Show them their mistakes and correct them. Make sure they understand how mental mistakes and being undisciplined lose ball games. Make sure they know that you have to focus all week in practice and game planning so that doesn't happen. Teach! Coach! Now if you get riled up while watching it and it is an honest emotional response, then that is different. Just don't like this hell and fury planned response. |
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Post by coachjuice on Sept 11, 2017 7:04:11 GMT -6
We lost our opening game on Friday night in heartbreaking fashion. We were up by 12 in the 4th and we ended up losing by 4. Film day today, we really dominated play but made several undisciplined mistakes late in game that cost us. My assistants want to bring hell and fury to film room. We are obviously not mentally tough even though we are very talented. I have been doing this a long time now and this may be the most difficult loss of my career, any thoughts on how to handle film today? Silkyice I agree, we usually watch film on Saturday's too but I thought a few days off would suit the kids better. We will continue to do that moving forward. I appreciate the advice that is what I plan on doing |
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 11, 2017 7:42:31 GMT -6
We lost our opening game on Friday night in heartbreaking fashion. We were up by 12 in the 4th and we ended up losing by 4. Film day today, we really dominated play but made several undisciplined mistakes late in game that cost us. My assistants want to bring hell and fury to film room. We are obviously not mentally tough even though we are very talented. I have been doing this a long time now and this may be the most difficult loss of my career, any thoughts on how to handle film today? This is just me. What is hell and fury going to accomplish?What is it going to accomplish on Monday? (We watch film on Saturday to be done with that week). Did the kids play to win? Did they compete? Were they happy they lost? If they competed and hustled and tried to win, hell and fury three days after the fact and the day you are trying to get ready for someone else, will be counter productive. Show them their mistakes and correct them. Make sure they understand how mental mistakes and being undisciplined lose ball games. Make sure they know that you have to focus all week in practice and game planning so that doesn't happen. Teach! Coach! Now if you get riled up while watching it and it is an honest emotional response, then that is different. Just don't like this hell and fury planned response. Unfortunately we live in a generation where hell and fury means bullying and disrespect. I remember the days when a coach could holler at a player and the player would learn from it and move on. We got our tails handed to us on Friday and we watched film Saturday. We didn't yell or scream at them, we just pointed out their mistakes and moved on. No point in embarrassing the kids anymore than they already were from the game. |
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 11, 2017 13:59:57 GMT -6
The question is, will yelling at your kids and bringing fury improve their mental toughness and help you win the next game? If it will, then do it. Gauge where your team is at and what they need to raise their level of play. Some groups need a stern kick in the pants, while others won't respond to that.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 11, 2017 14:09:56 GMT -6
Depends on the mistakes. If they know better, kick them in the rear ends. If they don't, correct it and move on. Film is still coaching. Shouldn't be different from practice.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 11, 2017 14:29:26 GMT -6
I have never seen the point of a "fire n' brimstone" approach to watching film. For example, we had a safety give up a huge score on Saturday night because a) his eyes were in the backfield, b) he was backpedaling with crap technique c) he lined up with the wrong leverage c) he was just flat out being lazy. It is dead obvious on film, we rep proper man-coverage every single day, and the kid flat out crapped the bed on it. He is going to see it and everyone else is too.
We will watch that play, I will point out what he did wrong in a calm, collected manner and then talk about what we're going to do to fix it (i.e. do the same chit we do every day..). If watching that play and the TD he gave up isn't enough motivation for him to get his stuff together, then nothing will and he doesn't need to play.
If I see poor effort consistently from various players during a game, I simply say "I'm seriously disappointed with the effort given during this game" and then look to playing someone else.
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Post by joker31 on Sept 11, 2017 22:22:28 GMT -6
Lack of effort = their fault
Lack of execution = our fault
Repeated mistakes after being taught = their fault
Not addressing what needs to be addressed = our fault
If discipline is the issue, incorporate discipline to practice at all times (drill work, conditioning, etc.). Our Varsity and JV are going through this problem right now in different ways.
Our Varsity is a very talented squad that chirps way too much and has had many refs stating "if it keeps happening they'll throw a flag". 2 flags for unsportsmanlike have been thrown in 3 games. We like they play on edge, but they're starting to go past it.
We will address it tomorrow in practice by conditioning (we gave them Monday off since it's our Bye week) based on how many penalties and turnovers we had. We also decided that during the game if we catch the kids "chirping" other players they're out for a series, if they get unsportsmanlike penalty they'll sit 12 minutes.
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Post by carookie on Sept 11, 2017 22:54:19 GMT -6
I used to coach with a HC who made the players come in to watch film after the last game of the year. We came in to watch films after our OT playoff loss on a 2 pt conversion, heck we came into watch film after losing the championship game by a 4th qtr TD to a rival team.
Was it rough? Yeah but the kids were resilient- maybe the fact that the season was done helped them put it all into perspective and move on. But we did film just like we would any other week, point out things that need to happen and didnt or things that players did well and why. Gotta figure more than half those guys would be back next year, and a fair number of seniors were gonna be playing at the next level soon.
We are teachers of football, if film is a method you use to teach then the film session is just another lesson. Do things how you do things normally.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 12, 2017 4:48:22 GMT -6
For me it depends on the mistakes. Mental or physical? It also depends on the team. Seasons when we had veteran teams of juniors and seniors with varsity experience I was much tougher on them in films. Seasons when our varsity had to start six freshmen I felt we needed to still be tough but find a kinder way to do it. I agree with what Coach Vint said. You have to know your team and what they will respond to.
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 12, 2017 10:55:40 GMT -6
I will add that I have brought fire and fury to film sessions. A few times it helped get a point across. A few times I simply got out my frustration, but it didn't make us better. I have had kids that, at times, needed to be called out more directly and sternly.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 12, 2017 11:15:08 GMT -6
This is one of the reasons I like film in cut-ups after a game instead of sitting and watching the whole game. Kids are hurting after a loss, don't make them relive the whole thing, pull out a few plays that you can teach from, tell them you are going to drill that aspect more this week, and drive on. Sometimes it's just about you wanting to vent a little bit. If you truly are a "process" guy (which everybody claims to be on twitter) then your film after wins or losses should be exactly the same. Make film about growth, not punishment or calling people out.
We lost last week, had a kid throw a punch and get ejected, the 15 yards flipped the field and really impacted the outcome of the game. It's not like we need to show it on the film and yell at him in front of everybody, the dude didn't go into the game thinking "man I'm going to punch a guy and help the other team win"...he lost control of his emotions and it cost the team, he'll learn from it or he won't, but grown men screaming and going ballistic about a game can't be all that helpful in modelling the kind of emotional intelligence that is so critical in the development of these kids, especially the ones with those rough backgrounds. Show the kids an example of how a man takes his lumps and drives on, not how a man whines and complains like a belligerent child, they already know how to do that.
sorry...I've been in some long beat 'em down kinda film sessions and it sucks for everybody....felt good to type that out.
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