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Post by B-gap-attack on Aug 18, 2017 21:07:41 GMT -6
At my said school Im which I'm a first year OC. We scheduled a scrimmage after me all but begging our HC to schedule one. He didn't think it was necessary. But. Anyway. Our HC handed out jerseys. We get to our scrimmage and I call for my starting offensive line. My right tackle HAS A SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER. He has been practicing there for a week. Then our head man thinks we can just put anyone out there. Guys I wanted to leave the game today after all the stuff that happened. I've literally never seen a program that has this much disorganization. Got yelled at for not having a JV offense set up when all of our back ups play JR high ball and I don't ever get to coach them. I have a headache.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2017 22:49:09 GMT -6
At my said school Im which I'm a first year OC. We scheduled a scrimmage after me all but begging our HC to schedule one. He didn't think it was necessary. But. Anyway. Our HC handed out jerseys. We get to our scrimmage and I call for my starting offensive line. My right tackle HAS A SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER. He has been practicing there for a week. Then our head man thinks we can just put anyone out there. Guys I wanted to leave the game today after all the stuff that happened. I've literally never seen a program that has this much disorganization. Got yelled at for not having a JV offense set up when all of our back ups play JR high ball and I don't ever get to coach them. I have a headache. And you were going to try to teach a QB to call his own game just a few months ago........
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Post by B-gap-attack on Aug 18, 2017 22:52:12 GMT -6
At my said school Im which I'm a first year OC. We scheduled a scrimmage after me all but begging our HC to schedule one. He didn't think it was necessary. But. Anyway. Our HC handed out jerseys. We get to our scrimmage and I call for my starting offensive line. My right tackle HAS A SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER. He has been practicing there for a week. Then our head man thinks we can just put anyone out there. Guys I wanted to leave the game today after all the stuff that happened. I've literally never seen a program that has this much disorganization. Got yelled at for not having a JV offense set up when all of our back ups play JR high ball and I don't ever get to coach them. I have a headache. And you were going to try to teach a QB to call his own game just a few months ago........ How things change. Little did I know...
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2017 23:07:02 GMT -6
And you were going to try to teach a QB to call his own game just a few months ago........ How things change. Little did I know... Lesson learned- HS football and below, whiteboard schemes are extremely overrated.
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Post by B-gap-attack on Aug 18, 2017 23:21:02 GMT -6
How things change. Little did I know... Lesson learned- HS football and below, whiteboard schemes are extremely overrated. Now, I still disagree with that.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2017 23:29:12 GMT -6
Lesson learned- HS football and below, whiteboard schemes are extremely overrated. Now, I still disagree with that. Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be.
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Post by B-gap-attack on Aug 18, 2017 23:56:09 GMT -6
Now, I still disagree with that. Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be. Or maybe our production on offense was still there because of the scheme, but you probably have guys lined up to play for you. Never really haaad to coach. I know your kind.
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Post by **** on Aug 19, 2017 0:07:26 GMT -6
How things change. Little did I know... Lesson learned- HS football and below, whiteboard schemes are extremely overrated. Lol, no.
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Post by B-gap-attack on Aug 19, 2017 0:08:44 GMT -6
Now, I still disagree with that. Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be. Why scheme things up when I can just line up in double tight and run power and counter when it isn't there because my war daddies make it happen. Why don't you just advertise you're a bad coach and can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t
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Post by fantom on Aug 19, 2017 7:26:00 GMT -6
Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be. Why scheme things up when I can just line up in double tight and run power and counter when it isn't there because my war daddies make it happen. Why don't you just advertise you're a bad coach and can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t So, you're planning to out-scheme the bad guys by running Tackle Eligible?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 19, 2017 7:49:06 GMT -6
Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be. Why scheme things up when I can just line up in double tight and run power and counter when it isn't there because my war daddies make it happen. Why don't you just advertise you're a bad coach and can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t The whole point of the chicken salad saying/proverb/adage is that NO one can make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t!
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 19, 2017 8:03:05 GMT -6
Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be. Or maybe our production on offense was still there because of the scheme, but you probably have guys lined up to play for you. Never really haaad to coach. I know your kind. You missed the point completely. You spent the offseason planning to "develop the next Peyton Manning" remember? You spent your offseason thinking of how you were going to teach a 14-18 year old to orchestrate the movements of himself and 10 others at the line, give him full authority etc etc. blah blah blah. There was a multipage thread about your grand idea. You were going to start implimenting it because you were also over the JR HIGH and could start conducting this symphony when the players were 12 years old. You are apparently coaching a program that seems to not understand the numbering eligibility rules, where there was no scrimmage already in place, and seems to be generally on the path to an unsuccessful season if they play mostly average and below teams. THAT is the point. You (and ( **** for that matter) are mistakenly taking the word overrated to mean unimportant. Those are not synonyms. It seems, you support what I am saying with your comment "had guys to line up and play for you. Never haaaaad to coach". This insinuates that coaching is "teaching schemes, and drawing up things on the whiteboard". You say "I know your kind" My reply: Myself, and many on here believe that coaching is making the players better in all aspects (physically, fundamentally, skillfully) etc. So I will hold up the mirror and say " you probably have never focused on developing players so they could line up and play for you. Never spent the time to coach. I know your kind". That is not an attack on your coaching, but just reversing your comment. Lastly, why do you assume that lining up in 2TE Power and counter is not "scheming" Why is that just having war daddies? Why does that system require no coaching, but yours is the epitome of the craft? Hell, the most common reason coaches say they run the dbl TE, dbl wing foot to foot split offense is because they DON'T HAVE WAR DADDIES.
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 19, 2017 8:15:21 GMT -6
I think what we are all trying to say, it takes a whole lot more than scheme to have a successful team. When the bodies start to hit the ground it may begin to hit you. Yes I can make chicken salad out of chicken crap, but it wont be pretty.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 19, 2017 8:23:04 GMT -6
Why scheme things up when I can just line up in double tight and run power and counter when it isn't there because my war daddies make it happen. Why don't you just advertise you're a bad coach and can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t The whole point of the chicken salad saying/proverb/adage is that NO one can make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t! You could probably make, but it probably wouldn't taste great.
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Post by **** on Aug 19, 2017 8:25:43 GMT -6
Why scheme things up when I can just line up in double tight and run power and counter when it isn't there because my war daddies make it happen. Why don't you just advertise you're a bad coach and can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t The whole point of the chicken salad saying/proverb/adage is that NO one can make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t! Tell that to some of the inner city schools we've played lol
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 19, 2017 8:34:38 GMT -6
The whole point of the chicken salad saying/proverb/adage is that NO one can make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t! Tell that to some of the inner city schools we've played lol Why would this be a quote attributable to an Inner city (code word for mostly minority) school program?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 19, 2017 8:38:07 GMT -6
The whole point of the chicken salad saying/proverb/adage is that NO one can make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t! Tell that to some of the inner city schools we've played lol Not sure what you are saying or implying here.
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Post by **** on Aug 19, 2017 8:58:49 GMT -6
Tell that to some of the inner city schools we've played lol Why would this be a quote attributable to an Inner city (code word for mostly minority) school program? They made chicken salad every play. Every down was 4 verticals or QB showcasing why he should be on the And 1 Mixtape Tour. Since they had D1 kids, scheme didn't matter for them. We have 0 D1 kids, scheme mattered for us.
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Post by CS on Aug 19, 2017 9:14:05 GMT -6
Then I guess the lesson wasn't learned... Maybe one day it will be. Or maybe our production on offense was still there because of the scheme, but you probably have guys lined up to play for you. Never really haaad to coach. I know your kind. Or maybe the production on offense was because the players executed?? Schemes matter only to the extent of how you teach them and have decent enough athletes to compete. Idk how long you have been coaching, but I have been blessed to have worked with 2 of the most well respected HCs/OCs in my state the last 4 years. Completely different schemes offensively. One guy is a spread throw it around hurry up guy and the other is the go to flexbone guy in the state other than Kenny Wheaton. Both great teachers of their scheme both average around 40 a game and I have lived through being completely dominated and shut down by a better team with both of them. Were their schemes all of a sudden inferior? No, we just didn't have the horses to compete. They both coach their a$$e$ off also in case you were wondering
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 9:29:22 GMT -6
And you were going to try to teach a QB to call his own game just a few months ago........ How things change. Little did I know... Don't say we didn't warn you or aren't still trying to. You said this program hadn't won a game in years. This stuff is the main reason why. Scheme matters. Personally, I think it's a fun part of coaching. But no amount of doodling on a whiteboard and teaching it inside and out will fix poor organization, lousy weights, and just all around $hitty football culture.
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Post by 53 on Aug 19, 2017 9:42:42 GMT -6
logistics, time management, and building relationships.
I don't think understanding schemes is unimportant but it's a little down on the list of what makes a successful coach.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 19, 2017 11:38:13 GMT -6
Why would this be a quote attributable to an Inner city (code word for mostly minority) school program? They made chicken salad every play. Every down was 4 verticals or QB showcasing why he should be on the And 1 Mixtape Tour. Since they had D1 kids, scheme didn't matter for them. We have 0 D1 kids, scheme mattered for us. I think we are looking at that quote differently then. For me, if they have d1 kids then they don't have chicken sh$t. They have Filet Mignon. Just they way I always took that quote. You have to have the right ingredients to make something. If you have crap players, you can't make a great team. That is how I take that quote.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 19, 2017 13:07:22 GMT -6
Why would this be a quote attributable to an Inner city (code word for mostly minority) school program? They made chicken salad every play. Every down was 4 verticals or QB showcasing why he should be on the And 1 Mixtape Tour. Since they had D1 kids, scheme didn't matter for them. We have 0 D1 kids, scheme mattered for us. I don't really see how this example really applies to that saying. And make no mistake, I believe scheme matters. But only in the sense of having an organized method to attack opponents. It doesn't really matter WHAT that scheme is, but rather how cohesive it is and how well organized and implemented it is. If the opponents you describe don't have that, then they could very well struggle against teams who have equally big/strong/fast ids. But something can matter and still be overrated. To make another sport analogy to @gatorchomp2025 's situation, it seems he spent his offseason trying to calculate spoiler angles and tire stagger for his Nascar ride and not seeing that it has no engine or transmission.
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Post by spos21ram on Aug 19, 2017 13:10:48 GMT -6
Sitting here waiting for our team meeting to start, im reading this thread and when i realized the OP is the same one from the Manning thread I just spit my red bull out in front of my team.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 19, 2017 13:21:25 GMT -6
logistics, time management, and building relationships. I don't think understanding schemes is unimportant but it's a little down on the list of what makes a successful coach. Those three things are key to being a successful ANYTHING. I wish more school admins, particularly at the district level would either understand this, or have the backbone/wherewithal to stand up to the current wave of programs. To make yet another analogy for those in the education profession, various pedagogical programs are "scheme". A successful school does not put those before other aspects of the school.
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Post by dubber on Aug 19, 2017 13:57:12 GMT -6
As much as I am enjoying this argument of semantics, no.
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Post by fantom on Aug 19, 2017 15:03:23 GMT -6
Mostly when you win by outscheming the opposition it's because the opposition is poorly coached. Generally, the only way to outscheme a competently coached team is by using hard work, film study, to find a weakness that others haven't seen yet.
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