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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 16, 2017 13:54:00 GMT -6
Just read an article on Ohio State's camp practices without the doubles sessions where Kerry Combs (DBs & STs) said he really liked the new schedule because of its allotment for meeting time, which was the first thing to go during doubles.
That statement got me thinking of, how much meeting time is useful at the high school level, and how are ppl using it?
I can think of some advantages to meetings, particularly small group film review. We film as much as we can but the review time is generally just me grabbing a kid for a couple minutes with the iPad to show him.
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Post by aceback76 on Aug 16, 2017 14:02:50 GMT -6
Just read an article on Ohio State's camp practices without the doubles sessions where Kerry Combs (DBs & STs) said he really liked the new schedule because of its allotment for meeting time, which was the first thing to go during doubles. That statement got me thinking of, how much meeting time is useful at the high school level, and how are ppl using it? I can think of some advantages to meetings, particularly small group film review. We film as much as we can but the review time is generally just me grabbing a kid for a couple minutes with the iPad to show him. Example = I meet with QB's 30 minutes a day (except on Sundays).
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Post by carookie on Aug 16, 2017 15:32:52 GMT -6
Excluding time in the weight room, I like to have about 10 hours of practice time during the season. Of that I like 75-85 minutes of meeting time: 35-40 minutes of introducing our upcoming opponents on Mondays and 40-45 minutes of film review on Saturday. Outside of that I find most meeting time to be relatively ineffective in regards to on the field performance when compared to doing actual work on the field.
As you get to the collegiate and pro level coaches seem to try to win games more by outscheming the opponent and out X&Oing the other guys; so they devote less time specifically to individual fundamental drills and technique, and spend more time drawing up plays on a chalk board and watching videos.
I've coached for teams that put in new coverages, blitzes, fronts, route combos, formations, blocking schemes, etc every week. If thats the case you probably need more time for meeting; if not work on execution.
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Post by dytmook on Aug 16, 2017 15:52:34 GMT -6
We try to do 15-30 minutes of practice film/other film a day. In between Two a days we would give the kids about an hour break then we would have half the kids lift for 45 and the other half meet. Then they would flip.
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Post by jtimmerman53 on Aug 17, 2017 7:23:55 GMT -6
We have position meetings before every practice that lasts around 20-30 minutes and consists of watching film and doing walk thrus.
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 17, 2017 8:07:04 GMT -6
We have position meetings before every practice that lasts around 20-30 minutes and consists of watching film and doing walk thrus. We are similar. We will get our guys at 3:07 each day. We have a brief team meeting for 3 to 5 minutes at 3:25. At 3:30 we have a 10 minute special teams meeting. We then have position meetings for 20 minutes. Each position coach has a projector to show film. We don't add anything new once we finish install. We are who we are. We might make an adjustment to a blocking scheme based on something our opponent does, but we don't add any new concepts. We only meet M-T-W by position. Monday we watch our opponent and go through our scouting report. Tuesday and Weds. we watch our practice film and talk through mistakes. I have been in situations where we didn't have the resources to have every coach with a projector. In that case we adjust accordingly. There are times when we will walk through during install instead of meeting. One cool thing you can use is Go Army Edge. It is a free web based program that allows you to see 3D renditions of plays from multiple angles. I draw our opponents defense, take a screenshot from behind the QB, and project it on a whiteboard. We then draw our blocking versus our opponent. We also draw up their most common stunts/blitzes (3 to 4 at most) and project them on the board. It essentially is a walk through in 3D. We make our line calls and run through our base protections and identity runs. Don't over meet them. When I was at the college level we met for 45 minutes. 45 minutes of board work and film can be a beat down if you don't run a precise meeting. 20 minutes is about perfect for high school.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 17, 2017 13:08:06 GMT -6
Organizing your meetings beforehand is huge. There's no reason to be going over every single clip from the entire practice, going over it three times to figure out what happened, then trying to come up with something to say. Do that on your own beforehand and if there isn't a really useful coaching point to be made then cut the clip out of your meeting cutup. Everyone ssaves so much time this way, meetings go faster, you can hold their attention, and you end up focusing on the key points you wanted to make.
Engagement is also a great way to keep a meeting flowing. Get them invested in their own education, ask open questions and get a discussion going. If a guy has a bad habit of making the same mistake over and over again turn it into a running gag.
But by far the most important thing is cutting out unnecessary plays. A single practice can easily generate 200 clips, and there's absolutely no way you're going to go through all of them with the whole group and get something meaningful out of that meeting.
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Post by carookie on Aug 17, 2017 16:17:59 GMT -6
I was once with a program that met for 35 minutes M-Th & 150 minutes on Sat, it was mostly a waste of time (filling time so we can say we meet around here).
I gotta ask for those of you who meet so much, what do you talk about that needs to be talked about? I could get it if it were like a class trying to help develop young men, but football wise what are you actually doing?
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 17, 2017 17:04:36 GMT -6
When we run long its because players are involved in the discussion. When there's time we play a game where player 1 is at the board and player 2 gets to call a play and a defensive look (front, blitz, cover) for player 1 to draw. They can pick anything they want from the gameplan and the scouting report, or if we've already played once that week we'll limit it to that day's D&D focus. Once player 1 finishes he gets to pick player 3 from the group and then pick the play/defense to draw.
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 18, 2017 10:38:30 GMT -6
I was once with a program that met for 35 minutes M-Th & 150 minutes on Sat, it was mostly a waste of time (filling time so we can say we meet around here). I gotta ask for those of you who meet so much, what do you talk about that needs to be talked about? I could get it if it were like a class trying to help develop young men, but football wise what are you actually doing? 2.5 hours of film with players is overkill in my opinion. We get 30 minutes on Saturday with our players to watch the game film. We get 20 minutes of meeting time each day. 20 Minutes allows us to watch a selected set of clips from the previous practice and watch 2 to 3 clips of our opponents. Our meetings are interactive with a lot of player participation. Meeting to meet is bad. Meetings with a purpose and a plan are very beneficial. Coach Clement mentioned preparation for the meeting. That is vital. I usually have 4 to 6 linemen in my room during lunch (their choice) to watch film and ask questions during the week. I have never been in a program where we didn't have meeting time with our players. I can't imagine not wanting to watch film with them on a regular basis. 10 to 20 minutes a day is optimal. Yes, it puts us on the field a little bit later. But it helps have our players more prepared, and helps us correct mistakes. If we could be AS prepared without meeting I would be all for it. But that time has not come. With Hudl there is no reason not to have at least some practice film. You can film from the app and get drills on tape. If we didn't have a filmer I would have someone film with my phone from behind the OL. When I first started I sometimes would say, "I don't need to watch the film, I was there." The film doesn't lie, and there is too much to be seen to see it all live. It takes 12 to 15 minutes to watch our practice clips and make a short playlist to cover in our meeting. It makes us better. If it didn't, I wouldn't waste time.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 18, 2017 10:45:45 GMT -6
Coach Vint in your 12-15m meeting how many clips will you watch? Are they all of Team/Group periods or will you show film of Indy?
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 19, 2017 10:02:07 GMT -6
Coach Vint in your 12-15m meeting how many clips will you watch? Are they all of Team/Group periods or will you show film of Indy? We watch anywhere from 4 to 6 plays. We watch inside run on Monday and more team on Tuesday. As the season progresses and we improve we will watch 8 to 10 plays. It depends on how much time we need to spend on each play. During the spring we watch indy film the first couple of days to improve our drill work.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 19, 2017 11:17:16 GMT -6
We watch anywhere from 4 to 6 plays. We watch inside run on Monday and more team on Tuesday. As the season progresses and we improve we will watch 8 to 10 plays. It depends on how much time we need to spend on each play. During the spring we watch indy film the first couple of days to improve our drill work. Thanks coach. Do you try and find a balance of showing good things and bad (or things that need to be improved) or just whatever you think needs to be watched?
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 19, 2017 19:22:33 GMT -6
We watch anywhere from 4 to 6 plays. We watch inside run on Monday and more team on Tuesday. As the season progresses and we improve we will watch 8 to 10 plays. It depends on how much time we need to spend on each play. During the spring we watch indy film the first couple of days to improve our drill work. Thanks coach. Do you try and find a balance of showing good things and bad (or things that need to be improved) or just whatever you think needs to be watched? I will point out things that are good, but we focus on corrections. If we ever lose confidence I will make a clip of 4 or 5 really good clips. On most clips there is good and bad, so you can easily hit both. I ask my guys would you rather me make you feel good, or would you rather be a better player?
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